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Huh? This is largely NOT my experience with either scouting organization. I was a leader in both my son's Cubs Scout pack and daughter's Girl Scout troop. While both were pretty accepting of all kids within routine weekly troop/pack level matters, that went completely out the door once one got out of the standard stuff.

When my son's pack went on a camping trip, girls would routinely tag along and participate in everything. There were even a couple packs in the area which went so far as to have girls as actual members wearing uniforms, being awarded badges, etc. Also, there were female scout leaders at every level I encountered who were treated as absolute equals.

Contrast that with our experience with GSUSA. Males of all stripes (youth, adult, leader, parent) were absolutely prohibited from being around the girls on any outing which went beyond sundown. I mentioned I was a GSUSA troop level leader; GSUSA second class citizen is more like it! I absolutely hated interacting with district and higher organizations or other troops as the ladies by and large resented my presence. There were a handful who even went so far as to pretend I didn't exist.

The GSUSA program itself seemed much better for girls than what my sister told me she saw in the 60s and 70s; much less cake baking and much more life skills involved. But I found the outfit in general extremely closed minded when it comes to gender issues.
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My Girl Scout troop had a couple little brothers do everything with us. They said it was more fun than cub scouts. We learned astronomy, camping skills, and public speaking. Curriculum is pretty much up to the individual troop leaders. So how "girly" it is depends on that. My leaders were a couple of farmers' wives and allowed a lot of independent study with one on one attention with them. I was the only girl scout to achieve a computer badge in my troop (it was '86 so it mostly involved a calculator and BASIC).

Having worked at GSA at the state level, anyone can be a Girl Scout, no matter what age or gender. The only requirement is paying the yearly dues.

The Boys Scouts is very conservative organization with close ties to the US military and the LDS church. GSA on the other hand is very liberal at the National level but the autonomy they give to the troop leaders sometimes leads to a disconnect of values.
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I know I'm in the minority, but I've always preferred "Help!" to "A Hard Day's Night". I respect the earlier film's place in history, and it's unquestionably funny. But it doesn't play as well to a modern audience, I find, having programmed both in small local film festivals. The audience seemed to get lost and bored with AHDN, having difficulty following the very British dialog, and lacking the period context necessary to get the most out of the film. By contrast, they were mostly delighted with "Help!", finding the story and characters charming and the musical selections more to their liking. I feel pretty much the same way, even knowing how much the Beatles themselves disliked it. Of course there are those troubling ethnic stereotypes... but if we can praise Peter Sellers and Blake Edwards' "The Party" (a film I find very difficult to watch for that reason) we should be able to put this film in its proper cultural context as well.
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I ditched the Girl Guides the moment Scouts Canada began letting girls in. GG taught me things I didn't care for, like hair braiding and table setting. Scouts was WAY more fun.
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Ironic that the voice over guy on a Beatles movie gets arrested for being a deserter right around the same time John and Yoko start their Vietnam war protests. And the guy's name was Pete...so I guess if you're named "Pete", you may start off with the Beatles but you won't end with them.
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I had a friend in high school who was in the Boy Scouts when she was younger -she wanted to learn about hiking, camping and survival skills while the Girl Scouts in the area were just selling cookies and practicing traditional feminine skills like sewing. The organizations do totally different things and kids should get to choose what they want to do based on their interests, not their gender.
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