Scientists Breed Mentally Ill Mice

My mom had manic depression, I don’t think testing on animals is right, for makeup and such. But if this could honestly help people, I’m all for it. But you know what will happen, they will make a huge discovery and make a pill that costs a fortune out of reach of most of the mentaly ill.

the end justifies the means….

Well, there was already a Krazy Kat. Now he has somebody to chase! That mouse is whack!

screw the mice! sounds like a good idea to us!!

As a person with bipolar disorder I would not wish this or any other illness on any living creature with the potential of being healthy. I’m sorry if that offends the sensibilities of those of you who find it difficult to deal with us.

I disagree with animal testing as a whole. If animals are close enough to us biologically to test, then how is it morally acceptable to test on them? Makes no sense.

Why don’t these so-called scientist get a grasp of archeology and realise that symptoms of schizophrenia (such as hearing voices and visions) are not only normal in many cultures but even desirable as voice hearers are seen as having close links to the spirit world.

Some of us are wise enough to see the our christian materialist culture for what it is, a social construct!

Schizophrenia (and mental illness) is, a means of reality enforcement and social control applicable to westernised culture.

I am an indigenous Australian, my culture is over 60,000 years old. The scientists should learn about our culture and our dream time.

I feel sad for the tortured animals.

Terry : hearing voices is neither normal nor desirable in many cultures. I for one know that I would not like to hear voices. Smoking is normal and desirable in some cultures, but that doesn’t mean that we should stop looking for a cure to lung cancer.

Ben : What would constitute complaining? speaking in proper English and asking kindly to be let go? would this apply to all mice or just the one?

I think seeing animals in pain due to testing is a good sign that they would ask to be let go if they could.

That being said, if it helps more than it hurts (hurrah utilitarianism)

I just want to know how one decides a mouse is schizo? What does a mouse like that act like???

It’s just a mouse! Honestly, my friend’s mice were so stupid that when its tail got caught underneath another one (which was sleeping) it tried to chew it off. You’re legally allowed to kill mice anyway… and their life expectancy in these research facilities is usually longer than their life expectancy in the wild. Some of them are even kept as pets after the experiments are over. Also there is the fact that they’re helping humans (who are way smarter and self-aware), maybe even people you know someday, to have better lives and live longer. So the real question is if you value the life of a human more than a mouse. If you choose the mouse, there is seriously something wrong with you.

A bit late getting back to the party, let’s see if anyone’s still around:

On the question of hurting versus helping I’m speaking in a utilitarian sense. Applying this to the whole group of living beings on a net “pleasure/pain” scale. If we can test a few mice, which have limited levels of self-awareness (if any) in order to help all human schizophrenics for the rest of human history live better lives I would say it is probably worth it.

And on anthropology: Actually, I have done a lot of reading on different cultures. I know and understand that hearing voices is a good thing in a lot of cultures, but as I said, “it is neither normal nor desirable in many cultures”. This would include many modern western cultures, and many more I’m sure you can think of. notice I said many, not all or most.

That being said, I am not a fan of cultural relativism. it is too easy of an answer to a much more complex question, and also allows for some startling holes in “common sense” morality. Unfortunately, it seems that for people who understand and study other cultures (like myself) but don’t blindly accept their beliefs as true (via cultural relativism) are often told that they need to “broaden your horizon”.

There is no such thing as mental illness.
These mice have been possessed by Thetans.