You know, the way you talk about women and conventions and seem to think that only sweaty geek men are at conventions and that any women there are solely seeking attention from men is pathetic. Obviously you've never been to a convention and are basing this solely on idiotic stereotypes. When men dress up at Comic Con, no one says they're trying to get attention from women, they're just dressing up as a character they like. But no, if a women does it, her only motivation could only possibly to turn men on. Either you're a troll or totally ignorant and either way, there is no point in arguing with you further about your pathetically sexist views.
Exactly, and I don't think as many of these women would dress this way if their favorite characters weren't drawn with such skimpy outfits in the first place.
All I'm saying is that if you let men say, "you deserve to get groped for wearing something sexy"... then eventually you'll find the man who thinks a woman in baggy jeans and a tee shirt is sexy... with the end result of "no matter what you wear, you deserve to get groped."
I agree, some cosplayers don't want to make waves and that is a problem. Unfortunately, another problem is the popularity of the cons. Let's face it, the stereotypical geek will always be respectful of women. Even if he takes a picture to j/o to later, he'll still be polite to the girl in the meanwhile. Nowadays, cons are filled with people who belong in a frat house as much as they do at a convention. These are the kinds of guys who have that, "she dressed like it, she must want it" attitude and no respect for the character the woman is dressing as. To make matters worse, some of the cons are so crowded, like the SDCC, that it's easy for someone to grope and move and just get lost in the crowd so they can't be kicked out. While it's sometimes nice for geek culture to have become so mainstream, these are the things that make me miss the days where no one cool would ever go to a comic book convention.
I think the big problem is that at conventions, women want to cosplay as their favorite characters. They aren't trying to dress like a whore, they're pretending to be someone they look up to. To then be treated like a whore is just not right. I know women who go to trashy bars with their boobs half out and then get offended when someone says something and I agree, to some extent, you have to ask, "what did you expect." But at conventions, it is an appropriate place to dress like Black Cat or Power Girl and there really is no excuse for people acting in such a manner.
As for your worry, I don't think there's any real argument about people looking at those women and finding them sexually attractive. That's fine. Again, Black Cat and Power Girl are attractive, but that doesn't mean you have the right to yell, "nice tits," grope them or take pictures of their butts when they aren't looking. Be a good guy and feel free to look at these women all you want (heck, most of them will be happy to pose in a picture for you if you just ask), just stay a good guy.
I agree, women shouldn't go around groping or saying terrible things to men. And I've heard of women doing it to sexy male celebrities, and it's not OK or funny. I feel truly sympathetic to anyone who is accosted while just trying to do their day to day activities.
But the reality remains that for every one woman that does that to a man, there are at least 10 men doing it to women.
If they're groping women or saying terrible things just because a woman is dressed a certain way, then they aren't trying to be good guys. Men aren't just walking dicks who can't control themselves when they see someone dressed provocatively. If someone told you that you can't dress a certain way or else they'd have the right to make you uncomfortable whether physically or emotional, you wouldn't be ok with it...but because you're a man, you haven't experienced this. Aside from everything else, if you say women shouldn't dress a certain way because it's too provocative then eventually you end up with men telling women they need to wear burqas if they don't want to be harassed.
Thank you John for having a brain. Seriously Erik, "How do you think that is going to affect guys?" Talk about a blame the victim attitude. I suppose women who are raped shouldn't have worn short skirts knowing that men find them sexy.
When men dress up at Comic Con, no one says they're trying to get attention from women, they're just dressing up as a character they like. But no, if a women does it, her only motivation could only possibly to turn men on.
Either you're a troll or totally ignorant and either way, there is no point in arguing with you further about your pathetically sexist views.
To make matters worse, some of the cons are so crowded, like the SDCC, that it's easy for someone to grope and move and just get lost in the crowd so they can't be kicked out.
While it's sometimes nice for geek culture to have become so mainstream, these are the things that make me miss the days where no one cool would ever go to a comic book convention.
I know women who go to trashy bars with their boobs half out and then get offended when someone says something and I agree, to some extent, you have to ask, "what did you expect." But at conventions, it is an appropriate place to dress like Black Cat or Power Girl and there really is no excuse for people acting in such a manner.
As for your worry, I don't think there's any real argument about people looking at those women and finding them sexually attractive. That's fine. Again, Black Cat and Power Girl are attractive, but that doesn't mean you have the right to yell, "nice tits," grope them or take pictures of their butts when they aren't looking. Be a good guy and feel free to look at these women all you want (heck, most of them will be happy to pose in a picture for you if you just ask), just stay a good guy.
But the reality remains that for every one woman that does that to a man, there are at least 10 men doing it to women.
If someone told you that you can't dress a certain way or else they'd have the right to make you uncomfortable whether physically or emotional, you wouldn't be ok with it...but because you're a man, you haven't experienced this.
Aside from everything else, if you say women shouldn't dress a certain way because it's too provocative then eventually you end up with men telling women they need to wear burqas if they don't want to be harassed.
Seriously Erik, "How do you think that is going to affect guys?" Talk about a blame the victim attitude. I suppose women who are raped shouldn't have worn short skirts knowing that men find them sexy.