Tim, you're right. I'm done with these unrealistic whiners. My sister hasn't even called me yet, but I have had about enough of sitting here waiting for her too, so I think it's time I got the man away from his computer (he works from home) for a good long walk with the dogs and some trash TV on The Paranormal Channel. ;)
You really aren't reading, Iggy. I didn't say that I hated all feminists. I didn't say that I was all for sexism (whoo!). I said that the radical feminists are disgusting to me because of all the reasons I have mentioned, as well as the time I nearly got beat up by them. Considering your degrees in Womens' Study and Poly Sci, I am inclined to believe that you are either in denial that this sort of harpy exists, or you are just trying to put a pleasant spin on them.
I am not concerned with how you live. I honestly couldn't care less what you do or why you do it. However, if you are going to claim that I am superior and accepting of TRUE sexist behavior while I clean my house, I am not going to take that in any way other than what it sounded like. And it was exactly the type of "let me look down my nose at the ignorantly oppressed housewife" attitude that is so prevalent in the radical feminist attitude. It is undeniably a negative commentary on how I choose to live my life. I don't feel superior because of my lifestyle, and while people causes are not my thing (dogs don't talk, you see), I certainly don't tolerate REAL sexism. In fact, petty arguments over a sign that's not gender neutral only makes people lose respect for those fighting for the real issues. I know it makes me lose respect, and I'm a woman. Petty whiners are not what I want representing me, and I will always say so. Because I say so, you would paint me as a complete anti-feminist, which I am not, and I have said that too. I just don't believe in wasting time with changing language, signs, and little things that are conceded to shut us up. When you tackle the big issues without acting like a victimized, man hating tool, then the changes stick with a lot less resentment from actual sexists and you don't have to worry about the rest.
You can call BS all you like, Iggy. And I will call BS on your reading because obviously, you haven't gone deeply enough into radical feminist philosophy if you are spouting the garbage you are spouting... unless, of course, you are merely defending radical ideologies.
I don't feel superior to anyone. I'm not a radical feminist, after all. And if you are so into your activism, then you should realize that getting thrown a little bone is hollow and useless. A sign is not sexist. People are.
Yeah, I couldn't resist that response, because you know what, when a trio of psycho bitches followed me out to my car to beat me up for "betraying my gender" with a single comment sort of sticks with you. I may be a lot of things, but not a liar. I don't care to make my point that badly, especially not you. Funny how women turn on one another, isn't it? That's why I preferred to work with men when I did work. I didn't miss your little housewife dig, honey. You're starting to show yourself now.
Great post Xeal. What really amuses me is that people are thrilled to be thrown a little bone with this sign. I just picture a bunch of little lap dogs yapping over a bare bone when the steak is on the counter top and well out of reach. In other words, and empty victory in place to shut people up.
Like you said, there are bigger issues, and if women really wanted to tackle sexism, they would concentrate on those issues. But yeah, I said I was done with this ages ago, so I'm officially out of the fray. I've only been coming back at this point because I am waiting for a phone call and I've been bored with this, and waiting for my sister to call, for a while.
You did hit on an important point. We are different. Men and women are not the same, and it goes beyond the obvious. Neither is better than the other, but those differences do affect some of the things you've mentioned.
And because my Skype hasn't gone off yet, I will have to reiterate another point regarding language. If you are a bigot, and you are using all the PC terms when you speak to me, you are being a hypocrite and hiding behind language, thus dishonest, which merits more disgust from me than your bigotry. I would rather hear what you really mean so I know where the knife in my back is coming from. That's why the language argument, as far as I am concerned, is so heavily flawed. It's a way to be underhanded in one's actions.
LOL, Iggy. I wish I were making it up, but if you actually knew anything about radical feminism, or encountered these people, you would not be calling me delusional. I went into my Philosophy major wishing to explore feminism, and after two semesters, was hunted down in the parking lot by three radical feminists that incidentally, were making it with the teacher, because I stated in class that sex between men and women was not rape. Had it not been for campus security, I would have had the mess beat out of me. The more I read and learned, the more I realized that the radicals are a bunch of nut bags who want not equality, but superiority. Do some reading. After semester two I decided to specialize in medieval politics because these people were absolutely disgusting.
Again, if you feel so oppressed, take up a bigger issue, not some petty sign. There would be no problem with gender neutral signs if the signs in use now were no longer functional, but to take perfectly usable signs off the road to please someone who "feels oppressed" (ie victimized and discriminated against) is pony crap. Waste of money and resources.
Have fun with your false sense of liberation, because it is false if you consider these signs some sort of righteous victory. I told you I don't have understanding or sympathy for the frivolous already. Have a nice day.
You are not so radical as you claim, as radicals thrive on hatred for men and women who do not follow their exact agenda. Luckily for real women (and that is not a dig at sexuality because I am all for people being with and marrying whom they wish regardless of gender), the radical is an endangered species. Having dealt with radical feminists, I know how they truly are, and find them to be a setback for us all and unworthy of attention.
When you cry sexism for something like a sign, you are playing the victim. Go for the big issues if you want true respect and recognition. Until then, don't expect any understanding from me.
I don't recall saying that you specifically were resorting to name calling. Furthermore, this article has everything to do with radical feminism. I did not say you were a radical feminist, but supporting radical feminists is sad when they hate you too.
I don't need to look past my own experience. It's never been negative. Most people like to play the victim, which is the problem. If something bothers you so much, take advantage of the laws that are in place that are there to protect you. If the law isn't there, work to change it. But don't expect support for something as stupid as a sign. That sign is neither sexist or victimizing. That woman chooses to play a victim. When someone is really victimized, no one will care because of people like this. People like this cheapen the cause for all women by being petty.
When there is a vote, the majority vote wins it, does it not? That's the point I am making. If a majority feels something should be a certain way, it is up to the minority to change their mind and make their opinion the majority.
So, oh yeah. I'm done. Go play victim. I would feel sorry for you, but people that play the victim don't deserve sympathy.
LOL, Tim. You keep me coming back and posting on this section. Do you realize that I have a house to clean?! No, seriously, I do. :P
See, those white men allowed for women to stand up and protest their situation by creating a democratic system. They allowed for the possibility of equality. But don't ask a radical feminist to thank white men for that. Oh no, they were evil, you see.
The radical feminist movement had its time and place. Radicals make way for sensible and realistic debate and change. The time of the radical has passed. Thanks, ladies, but you're no longer relevant.
If people would actually read up on radical feminism, they would see how horrible it actually is. Radical feminists look down on women that have sex with actual men, don't adjust language ridiculously and in every sense, or choose to stay home to take care of their families. So all these people here defending radical feminist tactics like this woman with the sign are defending someone that would see them as an enemy. That's the saddest part of all this.
But hey, I'm done with this topic. I can only handle bandwagon jumping sheep for so long before I get really bored. They've just been reduced to name calling and making assumptions about others at this point. And I am bowing out before I break Cuban and really turn it into a smack down. I'm a lady, and I relish in my femininity far too much to have to start a paragraph riddled with censored profanities.
I have to wonder Tim, with the way these people claim that the majority doesn't count, if they realize what our forefathers did for us to allow us a democratic process. Oh yeah, but they were white men... my bad.
LOL, I wouldn't call it a smack down so much as I would call it brutal honesty. ;)
I know why I have what I have, and to compare a whining woman that wants a sign changed to the people that actually worked for real change is an insult to women. A sign is not a step toward anything, and again, is a waste of money.
I am fond of myself, and I do frame things within a certain context because it's what matters to me. I see an individual first a woman second. As should all people. People don't respect a group so much as they respect an individual. I did not come on here to earn anyone's respect, nor do I want it, so I can act arrogantly to get a point across because I don't really care and you don't affect my life in any meaningful way.
Your version of feminism is built on unicorns and fairy dust. Support a real change and then I might have some respect for you.
I am not concerned with how you live. I honestly couldn't care less what you do or why you do it. However, if you are going to claim that I am superior and accepting of TRUE sexist behavior while I clean my house, I am not going to take that in any way other than what it sounded like. And it was exactly the type of "let me look down my nose at the ignorantly oppressed housewife" attitude that is so prevalent in the radical feminist attitude. It is undeniably a negative commentary on how I choose to live my life. I don't feel superior because of my lifestyle, and while people causes are not my thing (dogs don't talk, you see), I certainly don't tolerate REAL sexism. In fact, petty arguments over a sign that's not gender neutral only makes people lose respect for those fighting for the real issues. I know it makes me lose respect, and I'm a woman. Petty whiners are not what I want representing me, and I will always say so. Because I say so, you would paint me as a complete anti-feminist, which I am not, and I have said that too. I just don't believe in wasting time with changing language, signs, and little things that are conceded to shut us up. When you tackle the big issues without acting like a victimized, man hating tool, then the changes stick with a lot less resentment from actual sexists and you don't have to worry about the rest.
I don't feel superior to anyone. I'm not a radical feminist, after all. And if you are so into your activism, then you should realize that getting thrown a little bone is hollow and useless. A sign is not sexist. People are.
Yeah, I couldn't resist that response, because you know what, when a trio of psycho bitches followed me out to my car to beat me up for "betraying my gender" with a single comment sort of sticks with you. I may be a lot of things, but not a liar. I don't care to make my point that badly, especially not you. Funny how women turn on one another, isn't it? That's why I preferred to work with men when I did work. I didn't miss your little housewife dig, honey. You're starting to show yourself now.
Like you said, there are bigger issues, and if women really wanted to tackle sexism, they would concentrate on those issues. But yeah, I said I was done with this ages ago, so I'm officially out of the fray. I've only been coming back at this point because I am waiting for a phone call and I've been bored with this, and waiting for my sister to call, for a while.
You did hit on an important point. We are different. Men and women are not the same, and it goes beyond the obvious. Neither is better than the other, but those differences do affect some of the things you've mentioned.
And because my Skype hasn't gone off yet, I will have to reiterate another point regarding language. If you are a bigot, and you are using all the PC terms when you speak to me, you are being a hypocrite and hiding behind language, thus dishonest, which merits more disgust from me than your bigotry. I would rather hear what you really mean so I know where the knife in my back is coming from. That's why the language argument, as far as I am concerned, is so heavily flawed. It's a way to be underhanded in one's actions.
Again, if you feel so oppressed, take up a bigger issue, not some petty sign. There would be no problem with gender neutral signs if the signs in use now were no longer functional, but to take perfectly usable signs off the road to please someone who "feels oppressed" (ie victimized and discriminated against) is pony crap. Waste of money and resources.
Have fun with your false sense of liberation, because it is false if you consider these signs some sort of righteous victory. I told you I don't have understanding or sympathy for the frivolous already. Have a nice day.
When you cry sexism for something like a sign, you are playing the victim. Go for the big issues if you want true respect and recognition. Until then, don't expect any understanding from me.
I don't need to look past my own experience. It's never been negative. Most people like to play the victim, which is the problem. If something bothers you so much, take advantage of the laws that are in place that are there to protect you. If the law isn't there, work to change it. But don't expect support for something as stupid as a sign. That sign is neither sexist or victimizing. That woman chooses to play a victim. When someone is really victimized, no one will care because of people like this. People like this cheapen the cause for all women by being petty.
When there is a vote, the majority vote wins it, does it not? That's the point I am making. If a majority feels something should be a certain way, it is up to the minority to change their mind and make their opinion the majority.
So, oh yeah. I'm done. Go play victim. I would feel sorry for you, but people that play the victim don't deserve sympathy.
See, those white men allowed for women to stand up and protest their situation by creating a democratic system. They allowed for the possibility of equality. But don't ask a radical feminist to thank white men for that. Oh no, they were evil, you see.
The radical feminist movement had its time and place. Radicals make way for sensible and realistic debate and change. The time of the radical has passed. Thanks, ladies, but you're no longer relevant.
If people would actually read up on radical feminism, they would see how horrible it actually is. Radical feminists look down on women that have sex with actual men, don't adjust language ridiculously and in every sense, or choose to stay home to take care of their families. So all these people here defending radical feminist tactics like this woman with the sign are defending someone that would see them as an enemy. That's the saddest part of all this.
But hey, I'm done with this topic. I can only handle bandwagon jumping sheep for so long before I get really bored. They've just been reduced to name calling and making assumptions about others at this point. And I am bowing out before I break Cuban and really turn it into a smack down. I'm a lady, and I relish in my femininity far too much to have to start a paragraph riddled with censored profanities.
LOL, I wouldn't call it a smack down so much as I would call it brutal honesty. ;)
Salt it!!!
I am fond of myself, and I do frame things within a certain context because it's what matters to me. I see an individual first a woman second. As should all people. People don't respect a group so much as they respect an individual. I did not come on here to earn anyone's respect, nor do I want it, so I can act arrogantly to get a point across because I don't really care and you don't affect my life in any meaningful way.
Your version of feminism is built on unicorns and fairy dust. Support a real change and then I might have some respect for you.
that's the worst typo I could have made