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The researchers at Penny Arcade made a great contribution to this field of study eight years ago. But yes, I've noticed that even with Facebook identities, people are willing to get vicious. There doesn't seem to be much thought of what a potential employer might think.
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I'm not suggesting any such thing. I'm saying that there's no causality between the religiosity of a nation and its scientific development. Joshua Frazer advanced the argument that religiosity is harmful to scientific development but used an officially atheist nation as an example of a place where people receive poor medical care. So I'm arguing that the causality doesn't work in either direction.

I don't think that our positions are that far apart.
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What does their government's stance on atheism have to with anything? Are you implying it's not their lack of resources but their lack of belief that results in their reduced quality of medical care?

I'm pointing out that a country which wholly rejected religious belief for scientific progress has failed to provide the level of medical care that a deeply religious country can.

It has to do with due credit, and acknowledging not only the work of the doctors but the risk they take. Again, if they screw up they get sued, but if they save your life, not even a thank you. It's a terrible incentive scheme they have there.

I don't see any indication that the couple involved has been so ungracious as to not thank their doctors. It seems a leap to jump to the conclusion that they have done so based on what little writing we have available from them.
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It would not surprise me that someone who has undergone a traumatic brain injury or is married to someone who has undergone a traumatic brain injury is not in the mood to discuss the role of science in society.

I'm not religious, but I reject the notion that religious people are inherently stupid. They have managed to build human civilization, including medicine. This woman and her husband (the actual author of the miracle-named blog) are adherents of one of those religions that erected the modern world. Why is this bothersome? The world will move on and, hopefully, upward. These people are not enemies of human progress, any more than their predecessors, religious people who explored the natural world, were.

[Side note: is China, an officially atheist nation, really the counter example that you would like to offer?]
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I get your point. It would certainly make sense for her to thank medical science for the fact that she's still alive.

But in my experience, it's common for Christians to respond this way after they've survived a traumatic experience. It's normal and does no harm.
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However, guys, that does not mean that if you quit helping out, your marriage will improve.

You're wrong! The science is settled. Men, sit back and relax for the sake of your marriages.
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Shannon, your statement reminds me of this Michael Crichton quote:

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.
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