That's not how it usually works though. People get into habits of having said problems, and think it's the norm. You'd be surprised at the amount of people that have been shocked when I tell them I've never ran a anti-virus program, and have never gotten a virus. While some of it DOES have to do with market share, most of it is MS leaving services the average person doesn't need, on by default. And caring more about market share than security.
"I am going to say that I don't have a problem with adware and viruses with Windows 7 because it IS true."
YOU may not. Others do. I was one of them.
"At least for me. I must have the best luck in the world because the only virus I ever have gotten on this machine was when I was on a questionable website downloading music from Chrono Trigger for nostalgia's sake. But that trojan was caught immediately when I scanned the files I downloaded and did not become an issue."
I'd rather not have a virus checker in the background running constantly. I rather keep those valuable resources to programs that need it more. I've never ran a virus checker on ANY of my Macs. It's been almost 20 years now that I have been doing this. Not one virus. And again, anti-adware programs don't even exist on the Mac because they don't have a market for it. Windows 7 itself isn't so bad as much as what MS leaves on by default. Services that the average person does not use. Services that usually cause the most problems. I spent a whole day trying to track down these culprits and shut them down. I guess I don't want to have to waste time maintaining my computer. It should just "work"
"I don't do any graphic design work (at least not yet) so I haven't seen any of the problems you've described."
To be honest I can't speak about Windows 7 when it comes to graphic design. I have however used XP, and Vista for it when I HAD to, and I had font corruption problems, and inconsistent color matching issues. Apple actually gave MS permission to use their Colorsync software long ago, and MS didn't take them up on it. Sad. You have to buy a expensive 3rd party program for XP/Vista (Not sure about 7) to get the color consistency the Mac comes with standard. MS also needs to get rid of their Shell within a program look. If I wanna grab a image off my desktop and throw it onto a Photoshop layer I cannot do that in Windows without shrinking the Photoshop "shell" It makes it very cumbersome.
"All I do is run Microsoft Security Essentials each night and in the vast majority of the time it never catches anything. Sometimes I can't believe it either and I use other scanners but they never pick anything up either."
Like I said, I'd rather pay a bit more to NOT have to deal with such things. I guess using Macs for years has gotten me spoiled about such matters.
In the graphics world, time is money. And you don't have time to mess with such shenanigans.
But you still get the adware/virus/font corruption/badcolor output (at least in the graphics world side) that comes with windows.
And don't say that's not true. I too owned a Windows 7 box about a 2 months ago. (Daughter/Wife wanted one) Even had it behind a hardware firewall, and STILL got gobs and gobs of adware/virii I had to clean out for the small amount of time we owned it. I keep getting told "Oh that's the norm with computers.. you just have to keep up with it" But no, that's the norm with WINDOWS. I'd rather pay a tad bit extra to NOT have to deal with those issues.
I've used Macs since 92. I've never had a virus protection program running, nor have I needed an anti-adware client (Doesn't even exist on the Mac because of no market for them)
AGAIN, people buy a Mac for the OS.
So while your HARDWARE is more than likely reliable. Windows 7 isn't so much. Most everyone I talk to with Windows claims to have this problem unless you are a "Pro user" that is educated in locking down all the things MS keeps open by default. And even then the chances of getting something is great.
Computers are consumer devices. One shouldn't need a degree in computer science to run them without worry.
"You're using exactly the same components a Windows user is."
In such that they both use similar hardware. The OS is why Mac users buy Macs. It's leaps and bounds better than Windows in that respect. Especially with graphic design. I am wondering in Natania has run into font corruption problems, or color correction issues yet.
As far as complaining about Apple keyboard/mice, uh, any USB keyboard/mouse will work. And no laptop I know of has a ergonomic keyboard built in.
Her main reason seems to be price. And you are right.
"or should reconsider whether their beliefs really are ridiculous."
I rest my case. Do you not see that as being condescending?
Regardless, believe in God, don't believe in God. Both require faith.
Am I offended? Not in the least. Just pointing out what this is really about. Those that came in here to defend it, didn't do too good of a job at convincing us otherwise.
I get the subtle sarcastic humor of this. I just don't understand why those that aren't religious, need to feel the need to be condescending with things like this.
The original FSM idea was basically to make fun of those that believe in a higher power.
If someone would ask a psychologist about such actions, they would tell you it was the actions of someone trying to convince themselves, instead of convincing others. An insecurity if you will.
For example, to me Catholicism is just ridiculous. But for some reason, I don't feel the need to make up a "religion" belittle it. It may mean something to someone else, even though it doesn't me. The ironic part of it all, most of these people consider themselves open minded and tolerant people.
Another example, the Jesus fish on people's cars. Some atheists aren't happy just being atheists. They also have to bash other people's beliefs. Hence the darwin beast eating the Jesus fish car emblems.
There is a difference between disagreeing with someone else's beliefs, and being an all out obnoxious douche.
I am speaking in the graphics world.
YOU may not. Others do. I was one of them.
"At least for me. I must have the best luck in the world because the only virus I ever have gotten on this machine was when I was on a questionable website downloading music from Chrono Trigger for nostalgia's sake. But that trojan was caught immediately when I scanned the files I downloaded and did not become an issue."
I'd rather not have a virus checker in the background running constantly. I rather keep those valuable resources to programs that need it more. I've never ran a virus checker on ANY of my Macs. It's been almost 20 years now that I have been doing this. Not one virus. And again, anti-adware programs don't even exist on the Mac because they don't have a market for it. Windows 7 itself isn't so bad as much as what MS leaves on by default. Services that the average person does not use. Services that usually cause the most problems. I spent a whole day trying to track down these culprits and shut them down. I guess I don't want to have to waste time maintaining my computer. It should just "work"
"I don't do any graphic design work (at least not yet) so I haven't seen any of the problems you've described."
To be honest I can't speak about Windows 7 when it comes to graphic design. I have however used XP, and Vista for it when I HAD to, and I had font corruption problems, and inconsistent color matching issues. Apple actually gave MS permission to use their Colorsync software long ago, and MS didn't take them up on it. Sad. You have to buy a expensive 3rd party program for XP/Vista (Not sure about 7) to get the color consistency the Mac comes with standard. MS also needs to get rid of their Shell within a program look. If I wanna grab a image off my desktop and throw it onto a Photoshop layer I cannot do that in Windows without shrinking the Photoshop "shell" It makes it very cumbersome.
"All I do is run Microsoft Security Essentials each night and in the vast majority of the time it never catches anything. Sometimes I can't believe it either and I use other scanners but they never pick anything up either."
Like I said, I'd rather pay a bit more to NOT have to deal with such things. I guess using Macs for years has gotten me spoiled about such matters.
In the graphics world, time is money. And you don't have time to mess with such shenanigans.
And don't say that's not true. I too owned a Windows 7 box about a 2 months ago. (Daughter/Wife wanted one) Even had it behind a hardware firewall, and STILL got gobs and gobs of adware/virii I had to clean out for the small amount of time we owned it. I keep getting told "Oh that's the norm with computers.. you just have to keep up with it" But no, that's the norm with WINDOWS. I'd rather pay a tad bit extra to NOT have to deal with those issues.
I've used Macs since 92. I've never had a virus protection program running, nor have I needed an anti-adware client (Doesn't even exist on the Mac because of no market for them)
AGAIN, people buy a Mac for the OS.
So while your HARDWARE is more than likely reliable. Windows 7 isn't so much. Most everyone I talk to with Windows claims to have this problem unless you are a "Pro user" that is educated in locking down all the things MS keeps open by default. And even then the chances of getting something is great.
Computers are consumer devices. One shouldn't need a degree in computer science to run them without worry.
In such that they both use similar hardware. The OS is why Mac users buy Macs. It's leaps and bounds better than Windows in that respect. Especially with graphic design. I am wondering in Natania has run into font corruption problems, or color correction issues yet.
As far as complaining about Apple keyboard/mice, uh, any USB keyboard/mouse will work. And no laptop I know of has a ergonomic keyboard built in.
Her main reason seems to be price. And you are right.
There is a saying Fast/Cheap/Reliable.
Pick two. You can't have all three.
I see people in this thread preaching tolerance, but not practicing it.
It's usually how it goes.
AKA "It's here to make fun of people who don't think like I do"
basically everyone taking up for it, has pretty much agreed with what I said, without realizing it.
Projection.
I rest my case. Do you not see that as being condescending?
Regardless, believe in God, don't believe in God. Both require faith.
Am I offended? Not in the least. Just pointing out what this is really about. Those that came in here to defend it, didn't do too good of a job at convincing us otherwise.
Chicks dig them.
The original FSM idea was basically to make fun of those that believe in a higher power.
If someone would ask a psychologist about such actions, they would tell you it was the actions of someone trying to convince themselves, instead of convincing others. An insecurity if you will.
For example, to me Catholicism is just ridiculous. But for some reason, I don't feel the need to make up a "religion" belittle it. It may mean something to someone else, even though it doesn't me. The ironic part of it all, most of these people consider themselves open minded and tolerant people.
Another example, the Jesus fish on people's cars. Some atheists aren't happy just being atheists. They also have to bash other people's beliefs. Hence the darwin beast eating the Jesus fish car emblems.
There is a difference between disagreeing with someone else's beliefs, and being an all out obnoxious douche.
I hope you aren't insinuating that the owner of said page is manipulating the numbers.
Is it that hard to believe that that many people are using their noodle?
Again, even Obama is questioning it.