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The YouTube Gunman

Just 24 hours after 22-year-old Matti Saari was questioned by police after he posted a disturbing YouTube video and released because he had the proper gun license, he went to a school and opened fire on students:

Saari uploaded disturbing footage onto YouTube of himself practising at a firing range and turning to the camera to proclaim: ‘You will die next.’

Worried police interviewed the second-year domestic science student about the clips - but, because he had an appropriate gun license, did not take him into custody.

Just one day later he stormed into an exam hall and opened fire with an automatic weapon before killing himself.

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Nice. Way to take a story and spin it into some pro-gun control piece.

If police let the guy go simply because he had a license to carry, then they are idiots. He violated the law by making threats of violence, which are not covered by the freedom of speech. Gun control laws are not at fault here, a dumbass kid with dumbass parents and dumbass police are.
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The picture is a little disturbing, and perpetuates his bravado. Good to cover the story. Not the picture I would have chosen.

Very sad situation, but it shows these things happen elsewhere than in the USA.
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I thought i'd never make a comment like this here, but why exactly did you make a post about this on Neatorama? Everyone that does not live under a rock knows about this, and there's not one neat thing to say about it.
It's completely out of place. My two cents.
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Uttles,

That's kind of the point behind laws. Yeah, the police, the parents and the kid might all have been stupid. Stupid people abound on this planet. If police always had the immediate and right answers, and parents were all intelligent, and kids never made poor decisions, laws would be obsolete. Bureaucracy - as much as we hate it - exists because it's impossible to have consistent and reaosonable thoughts on all levels of authority.
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I'm not seeing the "pro gun control" spin. It seems like the post is about the alarming fact that they had the guy the day before the massacre.

And while not really "neat," whatever the definition of that is, it's certainly an eerie and compelling piece of information.
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is there a psychology knowledgable person over here that could explain why they don't just start blowing their own brains or jump from a bridge?
Some stuff seems quite hard to understand...
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I've posted about things not being 'neat' or 'neato' before, and basically have had other commenters mock me for it (such as 'this isn't called "Rose Colored Glasses-o-rama" ' or some such thing.) So i give up in saying that, even though it applies.

That being said - here's a comment that is something completely different!:

Man, this wouldn't have happened if the police who released him didn't play all those violent video games!
(sarcasm).
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How much do you want to bet that he, like EVERY SINGLE OTHER KID that went off on a spree, was on some psychotropic drug? (US Gov't data.) And I would bet a million bucks that it was an "anti-depressant" that made him _depressed_ enough to be insane. Don't you just love modern "science"? Or, correctly, modern quacks!

Want proof?
http://www.cchr.org/video/psychiatric_drugs/Fight_for_Kids_The_Candace_Downing_Story.html
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sometimes, my generation embarasses me. i'm sad for the generation behind because of the freedoms and liberties we will take away...

on a side note, today, i could not find little green army men. several differents stores, all the toy aisles... what? can kids no longer play with things if they don't move?
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I like neatorama because it exposes me to information I might not come across otherwise. This post is not any worse than what you see on any local news, especially considering that it just states what happened without putting some spin on the story. You "Neat Freaks" need to chill.
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@elephant cheese
I take your point but to me the site is about 'neat' stuff therefore Neatorama.

A 'neat' bit of trivia is that Finland has the highest gun ownership per person in the world. Also they are the only nation to be at war with both the Axis and Allies in WWLastOne
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I didn't hear about this and I don't read the news. I actually rely on anything important enough spilling over into the blogs I read that wouldn't otherwise cover regular news.

I appreciate the article.

I bet if schools encouraged their students to start carrying guns we wouldn't see another thing like this for a really long time.
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@violet
@sam

Here in Oz we have had all our guns removed after an incident in Tassie. We all know, the guns didn't do it an individual did. The polies ruined it for everybody. I believe weapons, even concealed, make us able to respond faster and stop this stuff. I want Oz to have nuclear weapons, even if hidden like Israel to stop this stuff at a bomb level, as we all know nuclear weapons won't do 'it', individuals will.

I don't believe in restricting gun ownership as the guns aren't the problem nor nuclear weapons. If we all had guns and nukes then perhaps we would think twice about starting 'things'.

Ok, excepting, Osama, Iran, Nth Korea, Venezuela, the Taliban, Hamas, Hizbollah, Syria, Libya, Russia, China, Charles Manson...everyone should have guns and nukes.

ps: neato, pls ban the comment, I am obv trolling.
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Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns just make it a little bit easier for people to kill people. I think (watch out, this is a personal OPINION!) this lunatic wouldn't have had a chance to kill 10 people if he had used a knife...
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My previous comment wasn't about the suitability of the topic. I think it's good that Neatorama talks about it. I just found the picture disturbing.

And it's easier to kill other people with a gun than it is to take your own life. Pointing and shooting is way too easy, but this douche didn't have the guts to follow through on taking his own life. Shows how cowardly he truly is. If it weren't for the gun and the sense of power he derived from it, he wouldn't have had the balls to confront those people he killed.
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im from this country where this happend and i wonder why all take so much noice about this. Yea i know its a catastrof (im only 13 and from finland so i might wrote something wrong) but still some other place its happening allmost everyday
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@mursunhammas: True, but in other coutries you don't have quack "doctors" creating children like this every day. They just have insane leaders who like to promote war - oh, wait! We have that to...
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I don't see why it isn't "neat". It may not be happy, wacky stuff, but not everything that is fascinating is cheerful. Sometimes, fascinating things are terrible, horrible examples of human behavior. Sometimes, that is the reason they are so interesting.

Besides, it isn't like Alex posted a picture of the gunshot wounds or something.

I'm with Ted, if they want to die, why don't they just do it. Why murder innocent people, just for attention, then do it. Cowards.
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Would rather not see this junk on Neatorama. Don't give him more "claim to fame" minutes: dead or alive. My thoughts are with the families who lost a loved one on an ordinary day, doing ordinary things in what they thought was a safe place to be.
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The reason they don't just kill themselves is because they don't just 'want to die'. From what I've taken from all these murder-suicide people, what they *want* to do is kill people.

Only after they've killed and find themselves in a hopeless situation - realizing what they've done and now faced with the dispair and self-loathing of their villiany (as well as the despair of facing consequence) - THEN suicide it what they want.

That's just my theory on such people's motivation and behavior pattern.

No less cowardly, no less tragic for all involved.
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extremely sad that they released him.. just because he had a proper gun license.. normal people do not make videos like this.. period. he should have been taken in for a psychiatric evaluation and put under extreme supervision.. very sad.
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@sw: No I hadn't - guess I've seen way to many drug killings to even look anymore. Now that's sad...

@bekkie: As I mentioned above, I will bet it was psychotropics that got him into that state of mind in the first place. Why in God's name would you want to send him back to those quacks for more?
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For what it's worth (and I would've hoped N-o-Rama to get this right in their post), police did not see the really threatening videos prior to the shooting -- for example the one saying "You will die next". Some of the material was released on the day of the shootings, i.e., after the interview.

It's easy to accuse this particular police man for mishandling this case. But you should get your facts right before doing so. What this man saw was not the threatening stuff, what he saw was just a seemingly normal guy practicing at a shooting range.

Furthermore, it's hard for any one police to cull out nutcases like this in interviews. Matti Saari fooled many other people as well, including the school principal and Matti's school friends, most of which thought Matti was just a normal boy and didn't feel he was in any way suspicious.
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Did he kill himself? Well, then, he did have the guts to finish the job. I had heard that he was still alive - shot all the other people and then couldn't do himself.

just a guy, you've got a good point. I think what they do is they back themselves into a corner. This guy - nobody would care if he just shot himself in his apartment. He wants to be noticed, but he also doesn't have the balls to shoot himself without first building himself up.

So, he goes and kills a bunch of people he never liked, and with the cops on their way, he can finally find the "courage" to take his own life. He's gone past the point of no return, and forced himself to die or face the consequences of his actions. At that point, death becomes the easier option for him, and he's able to pull the trigger.

Still a coward.
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I find the picture offensive because the gunman is smiling - it's obviously just someone taking a "cute" photo w/ a gun, and to have it used in conjunction with a real tragedy makes me feel ill.
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