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Thanks for voting everyone! Neatorama the highest rank of all April 2008 (so far) and is the second highest of all 2008 (fruitandveggieguru.com beat us).

@Henry V. - That makes sense: there are commercial websites mixed in, but we certainly didn't pay to be included :)
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Andre - I got the photo from Wikipedia, and in my haste, I didn't investigate the origin of the photo (which I usually do).

I've added the attributions to the post. Thank you for adding that to the Creative Commons!
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There is another quirk in the admin: if you're in "Manage", then you click on "Write," after publishing the post, you will be dropped back to "Manage."

I find that you need to be on the dashboard home, then you can write posts after posts with no problem.
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I don't get it either, but that's not unusual when it comes to the good people of Canadia and their peculiar sport of hookey or something rather.

While talkin' about the sport, I miss those little firetrail they put on the puck. I can't see what's going on without it.

And what's up with the brawls? Are those like features of the sport?
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@Keath - I don't know what you mean by equating Neatorama to Boing Boing, but I quite like that blog and hold it in high respect. So, thanks (I guess)

@RAnnieB - I can see your point from a marketer's perspective. It's very cogent and logical, actually.

@Chris Shaffer - Right now, the percentage of people who use ad block is still small as compared to the rest of the general Internet users.

That percentage would probably not change much in the future - the demise of ad-supported content has been predicted many times in the past, and it's still the most viable business method today.

What I learned from this discussion is how people who use ad block view their use of the plugin: it's like they feel it's their right to block ads.

This is fundamentally different from how I view things: if I'm not happy with a service (i.e. ad-supported content), then it's my right not to frequent that establishment (i.e. not visit the website), but it's not my right to use the service anyway and subvert payment to that service (i.e. visit the website, get the content, then ad block the ads).

As I've said above, I certainly have done nothing to stop delivering content to people who block Neatorama's ads.

I have, however, learned a lot about people's views on ads.
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@ThomasH: Of course it’s not stealing. By that logic, closing my eyes would be stealing too and @donna: No. It’s equivalent to not reading the ads in your newspaper.

I disagree with your analogy - as I've said before, I don't think any webmaster would have any problem if you avert your eyes, ignore the ads, etc. You can go to the bathroom during TV commercial breaks, turn down the volume, change channels. You can ignore ads in your newspaper. No problem.

The problem with ad blocking is that it's an automated way to circumvent ads from loading. It's like a device that automatically skips ads on TV, or blanks out ads in a newspaper (okay, no such thing exist for newspaper, but you get the point).
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@Goober: My analogy is exact. They offer the content for free, *then* expect me to live up to their terms.

Not exactly - ads and content are displayed concurrently. Content are offered with ads.

In whichever way, the analogy completely breaks down if you repeatedly visit a website and block their ads. By the second visit, you'd know that their content is ad supported.

But let's take your lunch in the park to its conclusion. If you don't want to pay for the lunch, you don't take it, right? After all, that's fair.

But by blocking the ads, isn't what you're doing taking the lunch and then not paying? A better course of action is not visiting the website you don't want to see ads on instead of blocking the ads.
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@Sean McKenna: it's the reverse, actually. You are paying for your internet connection, but bandwidth is paid by the websites that you visit.

@Mike Stone: that's an interesting thought. I don't believe that CPM ads are affected by whether or not people click on the ads. That's why they're paid per impression. The ad price is set before they go on display. Perhaps you're thinking of CPA (cost per action) ads?

I wholeheartedly agree with you that there is value to a visitor that is beyond their "eyeball"-share (if you can call it that). Neatorama grew by word-of-mouth and it has its readers to thank.

I don't have any plan to block users that block our ads. In fact, we have always provided content of the blog on RSS and email subscription that don't carry ads. But I'm afraid the reality of it is, there's no free lunch: the cost of running the blog means that ads are here to stay.
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@Thomas: "am I a thief for changing the channel during commercials?"

Ad blocking is not equivalent to going to the bathroom during a TV commercial break or changing the channels. It's equivalent to installing an automatic device which sole purpose is to skip the ads from ever playing.
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