I Before E, Except After C Rule Left to D-I-E

The rule I’ve found more useful is “When two vowels go walking, the second one does the talking.” By and large, the second of two consecutive vowels contributes its sound more than the first.

Stupid joke is stupid

Running some numbers on a 60,000 word dictionary with word-counts for each word (in millions) (e.g.

Counts for words you’d goof if you use the i-before-e… rule:

Counts for words with cie: 146

Counts for words with not C ei: 394

Counts for words you’d get correct:

Words with cei: 73

Not c ie: 1,836

These numbers change if you know to never begin a word with ie nor end a word with eis. (Exceptions to this are very, very rare.)

The words “their” and “being” count for 154, so if you remember them, you’re in pretty good shape with the rule. Right: 2063. Wrong: 386.

i before e except after c
we live in a weird society

I learned the rhyme a little different:

I before I, when sounded as ‘e’, except after ‘c’

It’s worked well for me over the years since I went to school

bud:
You say the rule helps for the word that it works for, but that precludes that everyone knows what words it works for and what words it doesn’t. What’s the point of having the rule if we all have to memorize what words are applicable?

English is a very difficult language. Receive vs weigh vs weird. It seems that every rule has an exception. That’s why I always have a dictionary handy.

It’s a general rule for introductory words rooted in the English language that serves as the first rung. Eventually it sinks in that there are other words that don’t follow the song– most other words; but it’s just a song. You don’t take away a childhood, educational song about colors because it doesn’t cover all of the colors either. This is impudent and uncool. As a mostly british gentleman, I want you to know that I don’t support this in the least bit. It’s not like I go to spell a word that I know doesn’t follow the rule, and then think to myself– ”Yeah…but the song said that it was–”.

This is just plain silly. There’s a reason this story is being posted in the ‘Oddly Enough’ sections of the world, and it’s because you have to ask “What do they care?” Ban a miniature children’s rhyme.

The FULL rule, as I learnt it, is:

“‘i’ before ‘e’ except after ‘c’ when it rhymes with ‘me’.”

I have yet to find any exception to this rule. The reason for the failure is the problem that many people did not learn the full version of the rule and many teachers were ignorant of the full version.

I was taught the full rule by my Mother who was a licensed Teacher with many years experience and I myself am a Trained Primary School teacher.

When I was in the Fourth Grade of my primary school I pointed out the full rule to the teacher who had never heard it before. She then tried to list may of te words that did not follow the shortened rule and became very upset, and almost abusive, when I pointed out that none of her extensive list rhymed with ‘me’.

Ah, I can see the headlines now:
“Limey guv to kids: Lern English good”

“Lent” is indeed a word. It is the past participle of “lend”.

Definition
lent (LEND)
past simple and past participle of lend

eg I lent her my handkerchief.

Learnt is the past simple and past participle of learn.

eg He learnt his lesson.

“Learned” is defined thus:
learned
adjective FORMAL
describes someone who has studied for a long time and has a lot of knowledge:

eg a learned professor

From Cambridge Advanced Learner’s Dictionary.

The other words you cited fall into the same category. Americans attempt to distort the language but for reference you should always consult an English, English dictionary if you are going to complain about the use of allegedly, non-existent words. Especially as this topic is about the English not the Americans.

I disagree vehemently with the idea that the rule has so many exceptions that it is not worth teaching. Where the i/e combination forms a dipthong, it should be obvious to anyone who pronounces the word correctly which combination is required. The base rhyme “I before E after ‘C’ and in words which sound like ‘A,’ … like neighbor, weigh, etc” covers most of the common words. The remaining exceptions are easily memorized. At least I have found this to be the case in American English. If we have completely succumbed to the sloth tendency that any pronunciation and definition is acceptable, then I stand corrected. {;^D)