no violet,

It is not just you.

It really looks like this guy has slipped on the peel of life

"I see too many
people praising the "greatness" of their respective cities but they have
never been any where else. "

Amen.

{spoken in a zombie like tone...}

" Two Dollars....."

Correction,

I meant to include Fruitport and not St Joseph on that list.

Dave123

The reason they combined with Holland is that someone obviously wanted to plump up the city in the stats. Holland uses Muskegon, MI as the place to dump its poor and minority (non-Dutch) people in West Michigan. In many other surveys Holland and Muskegon are linked as one area.

Take the half hour commute to Muskegon sometime, Dave, if you think that West MI is better than the East part of the state.

Muskegon has a WORSE crime rate than Flint and it is only the fact that most of the citizens of Muskegon can commute to work in Holland or Grand Rapids that prevents Muskegon from being in the bottom ten. That and the fact that Flint isn't on the the big lake.

Also doesn't West Michigan also host St. Joseph?, Benton Harbor? Dowagiac? South Haven?

All of these cities and Muskegon had worse crime rates than Flint in 2009.