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Corduroy Skirts Are A Sin

The week before Thanksgiving, a woman named Michelle Deferio stood on a street corner on Syracuse University campus holding a sign proclaiming that homosexuality is a sin. That required a response, thought Chris Pesto, a junior drama major, who mounted a counterprotest of sorts:

Today (Wednesday, November 18th) I left my voice lesson and noticed two adults on campus holding signs that said “Homosexuality is a sin”. First, I would just like to say that I support people with their own opinions. I think that everyone is entitled to their right to think what they want. However, when someone comes on my campus, where I pay tuition to live, I don’t think it’s appropriate to rub such a hateful sign in someone’s face. I decided that because this woman thought it was okay to make me feel uncomfortable in my home, I would retaliate and make her feel just as uncomfortable, if not more.

This woman was wearing a ankle-length corduroy skirt, which, as we all know, is a fashion nono. So, in order to make her feel uncomfortable, I stood next to her and held a sign that said Corduroy skirts are a sin! I don’t think I have ever drawn so much attention in my life. SO many people asked to take a picture with me, I got laughs, high fives and there were the few that even cursed off the woman standing behind me.

fbomb blog has the story: Link - via Miss Cellania


"fashion concious drama major" a.k.a "gay guy"

incase anybody finds that statement offensive let me add that i'm a huge supporter of gay rights. gay rights are civil rights and the fact that america is struggling with any issues of gay rights after the monumental civil rights movement of the 50s,60s,70s is downright absurd and basically redundant.

counter protest is awesome too, i live near the phelpses and cherish this method of outrage. long winded today.

tl;dr i have lots of gay friends
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I read a bit more about this guy and his brainwashed daughter's analog trolling antics. This guy did a good job on counter protesting, reacting with swearing and anger only reaffirms their stance on hate.
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I reckon murky photos are a sin. Could be velvet or tweed for all we can see. And that sign - she needs another 6" on the pole so she can stand up instead of slouching.
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I reckon murky photos are a sin. That could easily be velvet or tweed. And that sign of hers - needs another six inches on the pole so she can hang on it without slouching.
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Amusing on both sides. I don't appreciate the hateful response though.

He believes ankle-length corduroy skirts are a sin, she believes homosexuality is a sin. They each can believe that.

The difference I see is that his belief is a personal opinion, hers is based on faith and scripture.
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@Skipweasel

Double posting is a sin!

@Josiah

Faith isn't worth much more then opinion and the bible is a logically fallible and culturally outdated source of information. In her case, it’s still opinion, it’s just an opinion she didn’t actually form herself.
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"Faith isn't worth much more then opinion and the bible is a logically fallible and culturally outdated source of information. In her case, it’s still opinion, it’s just an opinion she didn’t actually form herself." (from Gauldar)

QTF
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Actually, if she was wearing pants his sign would be correct according to scripture.

According to the bible, abominations actually include

- 13 references to dietary restrictions (shellfish, moles, chameleons, pigs, etc)
- 17 references to improper sacrifice
- 3 references to the love of money
- 4 on dishonest trading
- remarrying after divorce
- Women wearing men's clothing
- Lying

The bible says twice that "Men who lay with men" are abomination, and more specifically calls for them to be put to death.

I doubt that even the woman holding that sign believes that.
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"...there were the few that even cursed off the woman standing behind me." OK, this is quite more appropriate than what she's doing, right? Bible is divided into two testaments. The old one is for Jews and the law they live by in which this is the case of many restrictions and abominations. The new one stands for the king of Jews which came to Earth to break this law and give the most important of all commandments. You see, the old testament is quite important to understand where man failed to pursuit God's wishes and to live by legitimacy meanwhile people were in need of words of wisdom and even food. Let's get back to the pure and simple Gospel and then maybe people understand if so Homosexuality is it or not a sin.
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@Josiah

Faith is just another word for opinion. Actually faith has less value than personal opinion. Basing your faith upon scripture marks you out as someone who doesn't have the courage to form your own opinion, but instead lets
somebody else form their opinions for them.

Oh and to all the US homophobes out there; whatever happened to all men being created equal? Oh I remember the real text read "all men are created equal, except the ones who are different from me" but they lost that version didn't they? No? Silly me.
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I didn't see any hate in her sign, but yelling at her and calling her names is hateful. Her sign seems to be trying to tell people of a way out of a problem that she perceives them to have.
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Some people actually believe a homosexual act is a sin. Not everyone thinks that it is okay to do whatever you want. I do not believe BEING a homosexual is a sin, but ACTING on it is a sin. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Some people are attracted to lots of odd things, but if they are able to control themselves, they commit no sin.
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It is because of people like "CE" that there are thousands of unfortunate women trapped in loveless marriages with Christian closet cases. Often these women have children once they find out.

You will see these Closet cases anywhere in the bible belt, especially at rest stops.

Way to go thinking of the children first. Oh WAIT you didn't think about that at all did you?
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Jesus specifically said that loaning someone money with interest was a sin (that's why Jews were the moneylenders in the Middle Ages), so how come these sign-toting bigots aren't protesting banks?
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@D.D.
"I didn't see any hate in her sign"

Here's the thing though, as the sign-maker said, people LIVE on campus. Opinion, faith or what-have-you, I think it's hateful to denounce another persons way of life in the place they call home. Nobody goes into a church with signs arguing that faith is dangerous/religion is corrupt/etc. I really give that guy credit, for taking an uncomfortable situation and injecting some humor in.

I hope that didn't sound mean. :) I think we should all learn to respect each other. That woman, as ignorant as I think it is, is free to believe what she wants... so she should give others the same respect.

Love is arguably one of the most important things in human existence, and I feel it should be respected in all forms. It's cruel to say somebody's love (as long as it's mutual)is wrong or evil.
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@dartef

That's what the get when they marry a nice Christian boy who is quiet and always keeps to himself... well, either that or a serial killer. But then again they usualy don't get married, they just get ordained to become a priest.
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Dartef, I am thinking of the children first. A person with homosexual tendencies should not get married at all. Children should be nurtured in a home with two parents, a man and a woman. I believe that religion is almost always a good thing. I believe the core values of a Judeo/Christian society keep families together and strengthen our nation as a whole. I expected personal attacks from those that disagree with me, especially from people that read Neatorama because their audience usually skews liberal. What I don't understand is why dartef would get so upset.
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"Josiah
November 30th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

He believes ankle-length corduroy skirts are a sin, she believes homosexuality is a sin. They each can believe that.

The difference I see is that his belief is a personal opinion, hers is based on faith and scripture."

According to my scripture here, which I claim has been written three thousand years ago and passed along from generation from generation, it says in the book of Fauxpas, Chapter 20 verse 7: "Thou who hast worn Corduroy Skirts is of ye sin."

The number of people who believe something to be true, the end all and be all doesn't change one simple thing: There's no proof of it. Faith is exactly that, a blind belief that something is true merely because you think or have been told that it is.

For every instance in which one person can use the scripture to state something is true... at least one counter example can show you that it's laughably false.

Case in point: The sun revolves around the Earth. The bible says that. Galileo paid an awful price for his theories, which were later proven to be correct, because the Bible stated something else.

Earth is not the center of the universe. Hell, it's not even the center of our own galaxy. The Earth certainly isn't flat... if I need to continue to go on, well, the point is completely lost on whoever I'd be demonstrating it to.

Faith is a tricky thing... but bearing false witness is another one of those little 10 special laws in the book. (The Old Testament has over 600 alone depending on how much one truly follows it.) By refusing to admit something could be wrong in light of evidence that proves it is, because you're worried admitting something within the Bible was wrong and you have Faith that everything in it is true because it is the word of God... Is breaking that commandment. You bear false witness by stating the Bible says something is true when you can demonstrate that it is not. Faith is a double edged sword.
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@CE

I have, and I also consider that the opinion that gods don't exist would be difficult to find on religious web sites wouldn't you think? Sure, there's as much chance of you believing anything on that link will persuade you as much as linking bible verses on here will do for me. There isn't much of any non bias information sources out there unfortunately, so chances are there will be no middle ground we can agree on. Oh well, I considered the source. Can you consider it? Yeah, didn't think so.
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I haven't linked any Bible verses. If you wanted to read the Bible, there are a lot in print. Have you considered the Bible? Yeah, I think you might.
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"CE
November 30th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

Gauldar, consider the source."

Laughable, because you obviously haven't considered yours. There are numerous fallacies, inaccuracies or just flat out wrong statements in the Bible. Stop abusing what exists of the good values often taught by using the Bible (but wholly predate it) to further your own prejudiced and bigoted beliefs.
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Gaulder
and the bible is a logically fallible and culturally outdated source of information.

Between 2 Billion and 1.5 Billion Christians on the planet, increasing every day, 2000 years of dynamic growth.

Hardly outdated,just getting warmed up actually.
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Gauldar is a font of info on this subject. But on the link regarding countries, I'd love a list or graph on those doing well while not being "religious."

Robin @20: Ha, nice try.
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"Johnny Cat
December 1st, 2009 at 2:02 am

Gauldar is a font of info on this subject. But on the link regarding countries, I'd love a list or graph on those doing well while not being "religious." "

It's no coincidence that the most peaceful countries are also the ones with the highest incidence of atheists.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/02/newzealand-tops-global-peace-ranking

http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/rankings.php

http://bhascience.blogspot.com/2009/06/atheist-nations-are-more-peaceful.html

http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/17828

For anyone who wants to say "consider the source," these kinds of listings do link to theirs. Their sources are easily verified as they are linked. Among the most peaceful AND least theist (more than 50% non-theist or atheist) countries are: Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Japan, Finland, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Luxembourg, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland. 12 in the top 20.

Lack of belief in God has never equated to lack of morals. Given how much strife and prejudice in this world is religiously motivated... (Witch trials, Inquisition, hell, even 9/11 was religiously motivated) Such as this thread being an example of condemning someone for loving someone of the same gender... It doesn't take much to see why people find religion being used as the excuse and justification for homophobia as a distasteful thing. That is, if you're not using your faith to ignore the consequences of your actions and how they would impact others.

If the basis of your justification relies on being able to say "For the Bible tells me so," then you need to try a little bit harder and come up with something RATIONAL.
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CE - yeah, I've considered the bible over the years and decided that it codifies some fairly obvious rules about how to behave and then dresses it up with a load of other baggage tacked on over the years by people trying to gain and hold power.

The core value of "Be nice to people" is worth having, but the rest is largely nonsense. That core value is not the unique propery of Christianity - near enough every religion has it, as do most atheists.
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@trudy

Yeah, Lot was a dirty old man. Apparently it only matters when you stay away from the bum fun, but screwing your daughters and offering them to a mob instead of letting the mob have a go at the angles he had as guests, both of which could probably handle themselves just fine if they are all that and a bag of chips they claim to be.

@Dutchboy

That’s wonderful, I’m happy for you.

@Johnny Cat

Here's a couple, there's a ton more out there.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641258763

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120116485

@To everyone else

I actually do recommend you read the bible, the world needs more Atheists.
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Robin, thanks for playing the internets today, but I am sorry (actually quite pleased) to inform you that you are wrong.
Jesus never said that. In fact, one of his parables has a master getting angry at a servant for not investing his money wisely to get interest on his allowance. The Council of Nicea outlawed usury.
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It's striking that those of you who believe the woman's sign was hateful are happy that hate was matched for hate. What does that solve? It's also interesting that you think Chris Pesto had guts for doing what he did. It doesn't take guts to make fun of someone; it takes guts to stand there while someone is making fun of you and not retaliate.
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@byrdbrain

i was just joshing with that cliche last line, and i don' really have many black friends cause i live in Kansas and it's easier to find somebody who thinks that the world is 5000 years old than it is to find a black person.

political correctness is the only thing i hate.
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I've challenged the Leviticus abominations with people before. No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer why people have fixated upon homosexuality as opposed to wearing mixed fibers or eating shellfish. The Protestant denomination in which I was raised doesn't use instrumental music in their worship services, only a cappella singing. When I finally asked a minister why that was, I was told that there was no example given of it in the New Testament, only the Old, and that the church was founded on the teachings of the New. Yet this same church repeated the same old broken record about homosexuality.

For the record, I think the counter protest is great. Clever without being mean-spirited.
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"Faith isn't worth much more then opinion and the bible is a logically fallible and culturally outdated source of information. In her case, it’s still opinion, it’s just an opinion she didn’t actually form herself."

"Faith is just another word for opinion. Actually faith has less value than personal opinion. Basing your faith upon scripture marks you out as someone who doesn't have the courage to form your own opinion, but instead lets
somebody else form their opinions for them."

you are both incorrect on what faith is.

[oh, and smiling like a douche in photos is a sin]
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I see people getting quite defensive when Jabs at faith and religion are made.

Just remember that feeling when you're telling other people what is right and wrong based on your own beliefs, and don't be surprised if they are also at the defense.

I mean this with respect and sincerity.
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So... those of you who believe that homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says so... I suppose you also believe that you should kill your children if they curse you, since this (Leviticus 20:9) is found in the same chapter as the bit about homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13)? And I guess you should also be following Deuteronomy 13:13-19 and kill all the men, women, and children in any city where people of another religion reside. Jesus, you're dangerous o.O
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Faith is an opinion. What a wonderful thing the "word of God" is, assuming that it makes people better. Faith can be an especially wonderful thing when it helps people deal with the unknown and their afterlife- As far as I'm concerned, the purpose of religion and spirituality is help humans cope with the unavoidable-death. If the purpose for the pictured Christian is to live a Christian life, then why doesn't she "do what Jesus would do". From my understanding of Christianity, Jesus never judged. What works for some doesn't work for all and I'm disgusted that I voted (albeit no on Prop 8) on a civil rights issue that should not even be up for discussion. What gives me the right to decide who two consenting adults can LOVE. Many of my gay friends are in healthier relationships than my straight friends. Being a judgemental, rightous person is a sin. Wow. I'm lucky that MY GENES happen to be straight so I don't have to deal with this abuse. Yes, ignorant folks- homosexuality is a part of one's genetic makeup and to try to live a false life is unfair to the person trying for that, and the partner they may mislead for many years.

I give major kudos to those ADULTS who stay strong, live with integrity, and ENJOY their relationships with whomever they choose.
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Hilarious! You know, it's time we all take ourselves a little less seriously. I think Chris helped this woman understand that she really needs to get a life and mind her own business! As she stood there holding that sign, I hope she had time to reflect. "Who am I?" "How did I get here?" "And why the hell am I holding this stupid sign???" Well done
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@Barbara D

I don't think this woman was helped at all. If we want to change, we have to make that change ourselves. If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got. Religion I find is a form of cognitive behavioural therapy, but its stream lined to say "Everyone should be this specific way, and you shouldn't go out of the boundaries or you will be sorry." Unfortunately, if you were born that way, you actually believe yourself to be a lost cause, and even though suicide is a sin, gay Christians believe that because they can't change the way they were born; most feel their life is forfeit if they can't stray from the path so it won’t matter if they kill themselves, or cause themselves harm from chemical castration they attempt themselves. Make your own path, just because the roads are all pre-paved for you doesn't mean you have to go down it like everyone else.
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I think CE stopped posting a while ago.

Good for this guy, but I'm sure Corduroy-Skirt Girl didn't get the message. It's like the JW's who go door-to-door. They invite the "martyrdom", because they've been brainwashed to believe it earns them points (kinda like suicide bombers, but less invasive).

The whole story of Sodom and Gomorrah is an interpretation that could possibly have nothing to do with homosexuality.

Modern-day homophobia is based entirely on hatred. This woman doesn't see homosexuals as people any more than she probably sees black people on the same level as white people. The fact of the matter is you can't stand on the street corner with a racist sign any more, so they have to content themselves with hatred towards gays - that's still acceptable.
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jm1656, that's another stereotypical hate-filled, fear-mongering misconception about homosexuals.

I don't think gender matters much to pedophiles, but I understand that most of them go after little girls.
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