Forget Global Warming, the Ice Age is Coming!

With all the attention to global warming, are we actually preparing for the right doomsday scenario? Perhaps not, according to physicist Phil Chapman, who thinks that another Ice Age is coming:

The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and Earth's climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790.

Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon's Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to the lack of sunspots.

That the rapid temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of cycle No.24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection but it is cause for concern.

It is time to put aside the global warming dogma, at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age, similar to the one that lasted from 1100 to 1850. [...]

If the ice age is coming, there is a small chance that we could prevent or at least delay the transition, if we are prepared to take action soon enough and on a large enough scale.

Link - via The Daily Galaxy

Of course, this is by no means accepted by most scientists in the world. In fact, the idea of global cooling is still a fringe theory. Read more about global cooling here.

And this is why I didn't pay attention when they said global warming. I think it's all scare tactics. Yes, we need to treat the environment carefully, but I'm not afraid of melting ice caps or the earth freezing over. The earth goes through natural cycles.
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Now there are going to be a whole new bunch of fools wanting money to save the planet from the ice age. The Global Warming scam made BILLIONS of dollars.
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You know, I'm at the point now where if people can actually fool themselves into believing that global warming isn't happening, if they REALLY think that they are so much smarter than every legitimate scientist on the face of the earth, if they are truly capable of ignoring every fact, if they are honestly going to think as completely illogically as that... I"m not going to try to convince them anymore. If people really want to be that shockingly dumb, then be my guest. I'm all through trying to argue people out of insane beliefs. All done! No more, ever again.
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Well, of course... This is nothing new. The prophets (and profits) of doom have been around for years. Even today, the former global warming crowd has subtly morphed themselves into heralding cries of "climate change" rather than "global warming". The idea is that they postulate that some certain climate and temperature band is *ideal* and ANY deviation from that (high or low) is a response to man's harmful influence.

There are 2 factors at play:
1. Global Warming / Climate Change is HUGE business for government-funded scientists. If there isn't a problem, there isn't any research money. They are well-motivated to keep saying there is a problem.
2. Many Third World governments, although not rich in greedy researchers, join the fray because any restrictions on growth in the developed world amount to a subsidy for them.

I'm not saying the climate isn't changing now, but it ALWAYS has moved in cycles and at no time in the world's history has it been stagnant. Long before man's presence, the Sahara was a lush verdant area. The climate changed and now it isn't ... people had nothing to do with that; it well predated them! Myriad other examples abound. There is hugely insufficient evidence for any honest critical thinker to establish man's presence as the cause of the current swing. The logical fallacy of confusing correlation with causality is at hand here. And if man is to blame, who or what is to blame for all the other swings over time? It's never been steady, folks... deal with it.

Staright talk from Sid.
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"If the ice age is coming, there is a small chance that we could prevent or at least delay the transition, if we are prepared to take action soon enough and on a large enough scale.

For example: We could gather all the bulldozers in the world and use them to dirty the snow in Canada and Siberia in the hope of reducing the reflectance so as to absorb more warmth from the sun.

We also may be able to release enormous floods of methane (a potent greenhouse gas) from the hydrates under the Arctic permafrost and on the continental shelves, perhaps using nuclear weapons to destabilise the deposits."

What a great idea! I mean, what else are we going to do with all those extra nukes?

If he's wrong, though, we will have made our environment that much dirtier with carbon emissions from the bulldozers and radioactivity from the fallout.

He sounds like a putz to me.
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Wasn't 'global warming' originally a theory we could stave off the ice-age by increasing our emissions?

I don't care anyway, I'm still trying to deal with the millenium bug that demagnetised all my tapes and caused the huge zombie infestation right outside my front door...
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"The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790."

they tracked the number os sun spots in 1790? :|
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I grow weary of people saying those who question global warming are stupid. Yes, because not questioning anything leads to wonderous things... *sigh* Never take anything at face value. Ever.

I don't believe or disbelieve global warming. What I do believe is there are a great deal of people making a great deal of money from taking one side of the argument or the other. Until the whoring stops, there will be no truly 100% honest answers as everyone is trying to make a buck off the thing.

Though the prospect of an ice age appeals to me. I would take some small amount of amusement if, after all the "We're all going to burn to death! GLOBAL WARMING" stuff, we actually all froze to death instead. (Of course I'd be too busy freezing to death to do any actual laughing.)
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My 9th grade Earth Science class (Im in 10th grade now) studied this quite a bit.
And if you look at a line graph of the heating and cooling trends of earth. This is the hottest its gotten, by about 5 degrees. Whoa-hooo!! 5 degrees in the past 30 something years. Not a big number.
The ozone is repairing itself, and the temperature is staying consistent.
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"5 degrees in the past 30 something years. Not a big number."

Wow, that's some serious understatement. If it /was/ 5 degrees already, the results would be catastrophic. The amount of extra water melted would have flooded many cities.

Yes, the numbers involved are small - but only because that's how we measure them. No, that does not make them insignificant.
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"It is time to put aside the global warming dogma..."

Wow; never thought I'd see the day.

"Of course, this is by no means accepted by most scientists in the world," but then again, neither is the whole global warming/change business. Many give lip service to it only because their livelihood depends on playing the game. I've never once seen a situation where so-called "consensus" on a semi-scientific theory equals "right".
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I lost any belief in man-made "Global Warming" and the "need" to lower carbon emissions when I learned that Al Gore's gargantuan mansion uses more energy in a DAY than my home does in an entire YEAR.

Now, I am an earth conscious guy, but I do not see how more taxes, nor the money changers at the Carbon Exchange, could possibly help even if global warming was largely man-made.

Its all a scam to separate the poor and middle-class from money that will end up in the pockets of the rich.
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As Penn and Teller stated only 3% of all C02 emmissions are caused by man in one way or the other. They can't really say wether man is the cause of the global warming or if it is based on natural causes. And it could be better to spend more money on research for "green" technology and try to solve this problem with these "soon to be invented" technologies than trying to solve it with the technology we have today and spend billions and billions on it for very little effect.
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Over the whole history of Earth, the temperature is always fluctuating over a very large timescale.

It goes from ice-age to mass-floods (due to global warming melting the ice-caps, and also stagnating water due to the disruption of the global current) and back again over thousands upon thousands of years. So, we are always in a phase of 'global warming' or 'global cooling'.

The fact we are producing emitions has an effect we don't know of yet, it may speed things up, may slow things down, may make an ice-age 'iceier', or a period of great heat 'hotter'.

In truth, we don't really know much about why Earth does this, and it's not very easy to predict since we have only been this technologically advanced for such a short period in the history of humans, let alone the history of Earth.

If it wasn't for this, however, it would be very unlikely we would be here today as homosapiens, and be able to be as 'advanced' as we are, because these events help push evolution.

We need to not prevent it, but, try to learn more about what is happening as we are doing, and then, when it comes to it, find a way to survive, but I can't see it causing global concern until it does happen.

The major problem is though, is what happens in areas that are unsuitable for us to inhabit? With the world as it is today, trying to get the whole of the northern and southern parts of Earth to move towards the equator, or coastal regions moving inland, is the major problem, because of the relations of governments and countries with each other.

THIS is the first problem we will face. And a very likely cause of war, and starting a war during a global catastraphie instead of simply 'surviving' is what could cause the extinction of humans.

We are more than capable of surving a global catastrophy if we know it is coming, we can use technology to help us survive. It's just that really, this needs to happen on a global scale, and I really cannot see everyone on Earth coming together.

It's not 'global warming' or 'global warming' that would make us extinct, it's our ability to not be able to come together as one.
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the graph that the tenth grader referred to is pretty stunning. we are so very long overdue for an ice age. and when it hits you global warming deniers be sure to run around all smug.
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Humans have survived at least 25 cooling and heating cycles so far. What makes people think we wont survive this one to? It may not be pleasant and not all will survive but some will survive no mater what happens. A lot of people say that only cockroaches would survive a nuclear war, but you know people survive in every climate on this planet including Chernoble.
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BLOGGER: "In fact, the idea of global cooling is still a fringe theory."

How pathetic, sir or madam! You STILL don't realize that human-generated global WARMING is nothing but a "fringe theory."

It is not NUMBERS (of scientists, etc.) that take a theory out of the "fringe." Rather, it is the quality of the EVIDENCE -- and, in the case of human-generated global warming, the hard evidence was never there to begin with!!! It was all a money-making and power-seeking scam by charlatans, such as the monstrous hypocrite, Albert Arnold Gore.
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All of you Global Warming gurus need not worry; it will be back in vogue in a few more years (if history is any indication). Maybe Al Gore can revive it in time for the 2020 Presidential election cycle!
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With Cathy on this one. A lot of the above responses are just talking points. The 'Making Money' issue is true well beyond Climate Change profiteers, hardly a unique matter.

There's a vast difference between being able to cite the same three global cooling / global warming debunking websites, and understanding the scientific concensus.

How many of the above people have ever even accessed scientific journals? Why does our media cover these stories about small numbers of scientists who don't even submit peer-reviewed papers?

... Also, why is this Article from *April* making the rounds again? it refuses to die.

Note the entire Wikipedia article is about the 70's predictions, with almost no current data.

I'm sure that all of these organizations are just in it for the grant money, right?
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