Wikipedia’s Identity Crisis: Keep or Delete Trivia?

By Alex in Blogs & Internet on Mar 22, 2008 at 4:58 pm

Our beloved Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit, is having an identity crisis: does it include all knowledge no matter how trivial, or does it adopt a more stringent editorial guideline to enhance its reputation as a credible reference?

These two conflicting visions are at the heart of a bitter struggle inside Wikipedia between “inclusionists”, who believe that applying strict editorial criteria will dampen contributors’ enthusiasm for the project, and “deletionists” who argue that Wikipedia should be more cautious and selective about its entries.

In practice, deciding what is trivial and what is important is not easy. How do you draw editorial distinctions between an article entitled “List of nicknames used by George W. Bush” (status: kept) and one about “Vice-presidents who have shot people” (status: deleted)? Or how about “Natasha Demkina: Russian girl who claims to have X-ray vision” (status: kept) and “The role of clowns in modern society” (status: deleted)?

What? The role of clowns in modern society was deleted? Travesty!

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  1. Ash
    Mar 22nd, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    TBH, I like the trivial things best. Just to have some useless (on non-useless) knowledge on the topic.

  2. Orjans Morjan
    Mar 22nd, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Wikitrivia?
    “Wikitrivia has information on this subject.” would work just as good.

    I love the trivia lists in the wikis, hate that they are discouraged.

  3. Skipweasel
    Mar 22nd, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Discouraging the trivia sections leads to some very clumsy writing where authors have shoehorned in something that belonged in the very worthwhile trivia sections.
    Long live trivia!

  4. Allen
    Mar 22nd, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    Wikitrivia would be an awesome site.

  5. Sofar
    Mar 22nd, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Wikipaedia’s insistence on consensus is beginning to bother me. Sometimes the consensus is “let’s vote on it.”

  6. Stolia
    Mar 22nd, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    The trivia of today is the history is tomorrow.

    I majored in English, so I am hardly objective in this matter, but the trivia of Wikipedia is half the reason I go there (usually for looking up tidbits on films I’ve just seen). After all, what is most knowledge in the context of everyday life, but trivia??

  7. Tempscire
    Mar 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    But the trivia’s what helps make Wikipedia better than traditional encyclopedias! :(

  8. Rob
    Mar 22nd, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    I think trivia is the least of their worries. I notice that many entries appear to be monitored and “scrubbed”, especially anything to do with alternative healing or so called ‘conspiracy theories’. Huge corporations can afford to hire people just to keep information out of wikipedia! That’s no trivial problem.

  9. Johnald_Chaffinch
    Mar 23rd, 2008 at 5:44 am

    why not just have secondary pages to trivial info

  10. Skipweasel
    Mar 23rd, 2008 at 7:42 am

    I would expect “Alternative healing” pages are removed simply because they contain no verifiable information.

  11. ted
    Mar 23rd, 2008 at 8:15 am

    The information at Wikipedia can be edited and altered to reflect any bias, from individual contributors to the people who actually monitor contributions.
    This is something that should be borne in mind whenever viewing Wikipedia, but it is a useful site.

  12. Perceive
    Mar 23rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Not so trivial: Even though decisions on Wikipedia, such as whether to keep or delete an article, are based on votes, they’re not quite voting as most people understand it. It turns out that in those “votes”, it’s not the number of votes that count, but the strength of the voters’ arguments, as decided by an administrator.

    And even if an admin deigns to keep an article the first time, articles can be nominated for deletion over and over. Some articles have been nominated for deletion over 10 times! Somebody who hated the article must’ve thought, “the 18th time’s the charm!”

    For a while, Wikipedia had a crusade against plot summaries, and such things were deleted left and right. Plot summaries are half the reason I even use Wikipedia, to help me jump into fictional series midway. Now, however, a compromise has been reached: Plot summaries are allowed, but they must not take up more than half of the article.

  13. Christophe
    Mar 24th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    I agree with Johnald’s idea:
    why not just have secondary pages to trivial info?

    and I add mine :
    why not implementing a rating system such as download.com? (2 ratings : user & editor’s)


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