The Original Scientology

It was not the inspiration for Scientology, and if you care to look up enturbulation as defined in Scientoogy texts, you'll understand the goal of the web site ( enturbulation.org) that posted the material.

For real info on Scientology you can go here: www.scientology.org There are some good links as to the true development of the religion and other interesting information at the site.

Tim, do you have any arguments? Just saying "no, it wasn't" is not going to convince anybody.

My impression is that Hubbard didn't come up with scientology all by himself. It is rather obvious that this and similar works predate his interpretation of scientology. I mean, just look at the title of the book.

If you want to show me otherwise, please come up with some arguments.

So Tim, have you heard the Good News? Xenu is coming back, and all of his loyal followers will be treated to rides in space planes that look just like DC9's, only with different engines.

No dumping everyone in volcanoes for some reason this time, promise!

Is is very very very unlikely that this book had any influence on Scientology.

This is the original forum that this recently came up on:

http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4829

Significant facts:
1) There is no reason to believe that Hubbard had a level of fluency in German in 1934 that he could have come close to reading a complex technical text on epistemology in that language. Besides that Hubbard was a lazy S.O.B., unlikely to put much intellectual effort into the study, and reading this would have been a quite daunting intellectual task.

2) The McPheeters translation was done with an agenda (by an ex-Scientologist), and apparently was intentionally mistranslated to make it appear that it contained Scientology terms and ideas that were never in the original. A subsequent more literal and accurate translation was done - in it the apparent parallels were not found.

There's more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientologie,_Wissenschaft_von_der_Beschaffenheit_und_der_Tauglichkeit_des_Wissens

The Cake is a lie, Tim.

So Tim, how long have you been a Scientologist?

Haha, was wondering how long it would take for a comment defending Scientology to pop up. That was quick, even by their standards.

My only problem with the story is that the scans are crooked, shoddy craftsmanship there scanner.

I'm wondering if L. Ron Hubbard's reincarnation (whenever he shows up) will finally let everyone know that scientology was just an April Fools Joke.

There is only one true religion.

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
http://www.venganza.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

C'mon Tim, before it's too late, convert to Pastafarianism. It'll make you look quite a bit more normal to sane people.

I can sense the wrath wreaking already.

Good lord guys - you've got a group of guys that jump in and help at the drop of a hat (ask any New Yorker about 9/11 and the "Yellow Jackets") and you've got guys that attack someone because they help.

And you side with which?

He comes back on April 1st, obviously. :)

I (tried to) read the wiki summary for this book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientologie,_Wissenschaft_von_der_Beschaffenheit_und_der_Tauglichkeit_des_Wissens .

All I could think of was : When do we eat? [aka boooring]

Some people really don't have problems to pay their mortgage. Too much time to think.

Hey Dan, one good act doesn't wipe out all the garbage that the Scientology is responsible for. Nice try. You and Tim should get a room ...

I'm a New Yorker. "Yellow Jackets?" [scratches head]

While I understand that Scientologists are the "only ones" who can help, per Tom Cruise, many thousands of non-believers tried to anyway that day.

Oh, and the term "9/11" is a registered trademark of the Giuliani presidential campaign. Use of said term for political gain by outside parties could result in legal action.

Just sayin.

Hopefull no Scientologists are going to sue the asses off of anyone here.

Someone who COULD read it in German could have influenced Hubbard, though; don't know about the content itself. That was a pretty turbulent time in Germany; wouldn't it be nice for all of us anti-Scientologists if we could link them to facism or Nazism? :)

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lol.

We've known Tim is a scientologist for a while - he always blames everything on psychiatry, as any good follower should.

The "Yellow Jackets" are Scientologists' answer to any sort of disaster. They swoop in to "help out", in order to get some exposure as doing good deeds. 9/11 was a big photo op for Scientology.

How about www.xenu.net - Operation Clambake - for another take on the history of Scientology, and some "interesting information"?

As for this, I think it's a fake - some jokester's weak attempt to discredit an unoriginal hack writer by saying he borrowed most of his material, and maybe imply Nazi connections.

It's always, ALWAYS Tim. Were you never loved enough as a child, Tim?

THEY'RE ALL AROUND US!!!!

(scientologists that is... not those brain-sucking aliens >.>)

Nothing ever changes. Even if you prove a cults foundation is completely bogus, they are so well establish that it won't change them. Kinda like debating Theology with someone who rejects that Bible. To them, you might as well use a TV guide. Again, even if you prove them wrong, they are too deep in.

Saying Hubbard got Scientology from the Germans, of that era, makes as much sense as saying that the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were built in Tokyo.

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