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		<title>By: kingofaces</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingofaces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 15:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grade inflation is a problem for those of us that when to private colleges too, especially those of us that went to one that grades tougher than other public schools in the area, the exact opposite of the trend shown here. I was a biology and chemistry major, so getting into rigorous courses kept my GPA down around 3.1. One example is how my Organic Chemistry class average for the standardized nationwide exam was at the 89th percentile. I could have gone to other public colleges in the area and basically received a flat 4.0 looking at how others performed on similar exams. Part of it is also the science field as well as the school for having a lower GPA, but I have seen the damage caused by both grade inflation and assuming private schools are more liberal on giving out higher grades through various interviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grade inflation is a problem for those of us that when to private colleges too, especially those of us that went to one that grades tougher than other public schools in the area, the exact opposite of the trend shown here. I was a biology and chemistry major, so getting into rigorous courses kept my GPA down around 3.1. One example is how my Organic Chemistry class average for the standardized nationwide exam was at the 89th percentile. I could have gone to other public colleges in the area and basically received a flat 4.0 looking at how others performed on similar exams. Part of it is also the science field as well as the school for having a lower GPA, but I have seen the damage caused by both grade inflation and assuming private schools are more liberal on giving out higher grades through various interviews.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasonC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see in this graph where private schools&#039; grade inflation outpace the public schools and I&#039;ve seen similar results in colleges; all lead to a common thread of the $$$$, particularly as it increases so much every year.  If you are paying for it you want to see results regardless of input.  As with all things, there are many causes but the common denominator is hard to ignore.

As for employers, most were are blind when weighing majors and grades.  In the early 80&#039;s I was a physics major and ended with a 2.9 GPA with the tougher curriculum.  Though I didn&#039;t stay in the science field I noticed that some of my friends who had BA or liberal arts majors and to their credit ended with a very high 3.3+ GPA and fared much better getting jobs in the business world due to their better GPA.  Others in a similar boat as me agreed that if we had to do it again would pick an easier major and would cruise in college with a higher GPA given the opportunity.  I can see the pressure for higher grades on all counts.  Jobs are so difficult to come by today.
Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see in this graph where private schools&#8217; grade inflation outpace the public schools and I&#8217;ve seen similar results in colleges; all lead to a common thread of the $$$$, particularly as it increases so much every year.  If you are paying for it you want to see results regardless of input.  As with all things, there are many causes but the common denominator is hard to ignore.</p>
<p>As for employers, most were are blind when weighing majors and grades.  In the early 80&#8242;s I was a physics major and ended with a 2.9 GPA with the tougher curriculum.  Though I didn&#8217;t stay in the science field I noticed that some of my friends who had BA or liberal arts majors and to their credit ended with a very high 3.3+ GPA and fared much better getting jobs in the business world due to their better GPA.  Others in a similar boat as me agreed that if we had to do it again would pick an easier major and would cruise in college with a higher GPA given the opportunity.  I can see the pressure for higher grades on all counts.  Jobs are so difficult to come by today.<br />
Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Ilan Ben Menachem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilan Ben Menachem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this Figure solve every question on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this Figure solve every question on it.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexNich</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexNich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grade inflation is directly related to the college rankings, but not because of the &#039;how many students pass&#039; metric.
These rankings play a huge roll in determining how much money a college will get from donations and investments (many colleges have bonds you can buy).  They also help to attract new students.  As more people start attending college, more of the applicants do not know the reputations of different colleges, so they have to narrow their search down by looking at rankings and what their SAT/ACT scores say they can do.  Ergo, the ranking becomes an even stronger force in granting a college the ability to attract &#039;quality&#039; students (who will either raise the college&#039;s ranking or donate lots of money).

In many college ranking schemes, colleges get more &#039;points&#039; for students going directly on to grad school than they do for students going on to jobs.  This was explained to me when I asked my professors why my college&#039;s curriculum seemed to *only* prepare me for grad school and not employment.  Whenever the number of students attending colleges goes up, the number of students applying to grad schools goes up.  So colleges have to find a different way to make their students stand out.  If you want your students to stand out to grad schools you give them exciting research opportunities (which costs major $), help them test better (not something you can guarantee), and give them better grades.

So if a college wants to improve its ranking without costly construction projects, grade inflation is the easiest route.  It could spend a lot of money on cooler research gigs - which everyone else is trying to do (and if a school doesn&#039;t have the most money, how can it win that competition?) - or it could just tell the professors to grade the students more gently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grade inflation is directly related to the college rankings, but not because of the &#8216;how many students pass&#8217; metric.<br />
These rankings play a huge roll in determining how much money a college will get from donations and investments (many colleges have bonds you can buy).  They also help to attract new students.  As more people start attending college, more of the applicants do not know the reputations of different colleges, so they have to narrow their search down by looking at rankings and what their SAT/ACT scores say they can do.  Ergo, the ranking becomes an even stronger force in granting a college the ability to attract &#8216;quality&#8217; students (who will either raise the college&#8217;s ranking or donate lots of money).</p>
<p>In many college ranking schemes, colleges get more &#8216;points&#8217; for students going directly on to grad school than they do for students going on to jobs.  This was explained to me when I asked my professors why my college&#8217;s curriculum seemed to *only* prepare me for grad school and not employment.  Whenever the number of students attending colleges goes up, the number of students applying to grad schools goes up.  So colleges have to find a different way to make their students stand out.  If you want your students to stand out to grad schools you give them exciting research opportunities (which costs major $), help them test better (not something you can guarantee), and give them better grades.</p>
<p>So if a college wants to improve its ranking without costly construction projects, grade inflation is the easiest route.  It could spend a lot of money on cooler research gigs &#8211; which everyone else is trying to do (and if a school doesn&#8217;t have the most money, how can it win that competition?) &#8211; or it could just tell the professors to grade the students more gently.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>larryv, the practice of scaling grades is nothing new. It&#039;s called &quot;grading on a curve, and is consistent with the earlier practice of ranking students in each class and assigning grades by rank. In practice, the ranking system can be set so 80% pass, or 90% or whatever. 

With a curve, the arithmetic is a little more complex, but you can arrange it so the number who pass is most anywhere you want less than 100%(by varying the &quot;shape&quot; of the &quot;curve&quot;), and remember the &quot;average grade&quot; on a curve is not necessarily the median on which the curve is based.

So when we talk about grade inflation being the result of ensuring that some given percentage of the class passes, it ain&#039;t necessarily so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>larryv, the practice of scaling grades is nothing new. It&#8217;s called &#8220;grading on a curve, and is consistent with the earlier practice of ranking students in each class and assigning grades by rank. In practice, the ranking system can be set so 80% pass, or 90% or whatever. </p>
<p>With a curve, the arithmetic is a little more complex, but you can arrange it so the number who pass is most anywhere you want less than 100%(by varying the &#8220;shape&#8221; of the &#8220;curve&#8221;), and remember the &#8220;average grade&#8221; on a curve is not necessarily the median on which the curve is based.</p>
<p>So when we talk about grade inflation being the result of ensuring that some given percentage of the class passes, it ain&#8217;t necessarily so.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How interesting it is that when scholastic indicators (in the form of college grades) go up, it’s taken as an indication that we’re all becoming stupider. And when they go down (in the form of SAT scores)…we conclude the same thing.  

It&#039;s actually worse (or better) than the article suggests, when you consider how much more of the population (per captia) goes to college now than in 1940. If you&#039;re of the &quot;grades as an absolute&quot; persuasion, you&#039;d expect grade *deflation,*  as we&#039;ve seen with SAT scores (and which has happened solely for that reason, not because Americans are getting dumber as certain Conservatives have suggested...which shows if nothing else, that they majored in Calumniation instead of Statistics). 

Even if grading on a curve, the median, of course, ought not to&#039;ve changed. 

More interesting to me is that that the net inflation over 70 years is just about 20%  overall, but while it&#039;s 17.5% for public institutions, it&#039;s a whopping 27%  (!) among private schools. 

This in turn suggests that since the main reason for the existence of private colleges is provide a mantle of superiority for the children of the privileged classes, that their grade inflation as a function of actual  student accomplishment (prime example, our former president) is far higher. 

But since the graph didn&#039;t track grade performance on a per capita basis, we may never know. And of course, since the curricula are so different now than 70 years ago, it&#039;s all pretty much meaningless anyway.

My personal theory is that the introduction of women and minorities to the cathedrals of the rich simply means that college students are now 17% smarter (if not more so ) overall than they were in 1940, and that the change in grades is not evidence of inflation at all.  A rising tide, after all, lifts all boats.

The only thing that’s actually getting stupider is the media-consuming public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How interesting it is that when scholastic indicators (in the form of college grades) go up, it’s taken as an indication that we’re all becoming stupider. And when they go down (in the form of SAT scores)…we conclude the same thing.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually worse (or better) than the article suggests, when you consider how much more of the population (per captia) goes to college now than in 1940. If you&#8217;re of the &#8220;grades as an absolute&#8221; persuasion, you&#8217;d expect grade *deflation,*  as we&#8217;ve seen with SAT scores (and which has happened solely for that reason, not because Americans are getting dumber as certain Conservatives have suggested&#8230;which shows if nothing else, that they majored in Calumniation instead of Statistics). </p>
<p>Even if grading on a curve, the median, of course, ought not to&#8217;ve changed. </p>
<p>More interesting to me is that that the net inflation over 70 years is just about 20%  overall, but while it&#8217;s 17.5% for public institutions, it&#8217;s a whopping 27%  (!) among private schools. </p>
<p>This in turn suggests that since the main reason for the existence of private colleges is provide a mantle of superiority for the children of the privileged classes, that their grade inflation as a function of actual  student accomplishment (prime example, our former president) is far higher. </p>
<p>But since the graph didn&#8217;t track grade performance on a per capita basis, we may never know. And of course, since the curricula are so different now than 70 years ago, it&#8217;s all pretty much meaningless anyway.</p>
<p>My personal theory is that the introduction of women and minorities to the cathedrals of the rich simply means that college students are now 17% smarter (if not more so ) overall than they were in 1940, and that the change in grades is not evidence of inflation at all.  A rising tide, after all, lifts all boats.</p>
<p>The only thing that’s actually getting stupider is the media-consuming public.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, anyone who thinks that grades are a way to compare people from different schools probably never graduated from college. 

Secondly, schools that refuse to differentiate between students are harming everyone. 20 years ago, I interviewed five engineers from the University of Illinois all of whom had a 4.0. We rejected all of them and took UofI off of our annual campus tour. 

Which brings me to my third point. Good companies hire from good schools. Back in the day, IBM would take every engineer who graduated from Lehigh. GPA was not a factor. Yes, they were that good and no, I did not go there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, anyone who thinks that grades are a way to compare people from different schools probably never graduated from college. </p>
<p>Secondly, schools that refuse to differentiate between students are harming everyone. 20 years ago, I interviewed five engineers from the University of Illinois all of whom had a 4.0. We rejected all of them and took UofI off of our annual campus tour. </p>
<p>Which brings me to my third point. Good companies hire from good schools. Back in the day, IBM would take every engineer who graduated from Lehigh. GPA was not a factor. Yes, they were that good and no, I did not go there.</p>
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		<title>By: I dunno lol</title>
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		<dc:creator>I dunno lol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Combine this with the asian college influence =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Combine this with the asian college influence =D</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Eshbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Eshbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anonymudder - Ha! Nice.</description>
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		<title>By: MadMolecule</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadMolecule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That graph would be more helpful and less misleading if the X-axis were zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That graph would be more helpful and less misleading if the X-axis were zero.</p>
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		<title>By: larryv</title>
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		<dc:creator>larryv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of professors are told to scale grades now. If you don&#039;t have enough of you class passing they make you scale you grading until more pass. So this is not surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of professors are told to scale grades now. If you don&#8217;t have enough of you class passing they make you scale you grading until more pass. So this is not surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymudder</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymudder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where I went to undergrad, students complained that we *didn&#039;t* have the same grade distribution or average as other schools, and that it made for unfair comparisons in the marketplace.  (At the time, we had the highest ingress SAT scores in the nation, I believe, and the highest % of graduates who went on to earn PhD&#039;s.  And yet it was said that the average GPA was 3.0)

There were rumors of a &quot;normalization function&quot; among graduate schools (medical school, in particular was mentioned), and it was said that the multiplier/primary coefficient for our school was the highest among all.  I had no way of verifying that, and, frankly, I doubted there was one shared among med schools.  But I do remember some disturbing job interviews...one who actually said to me &quot;gee, you&#039;ve got a 3.5.  But I&#039;ve got another applicant with a 3.6, from (tier 4 state school), so my comparison&#039;s actually pretty easy, and I&#039;m not sure I even need to interview you.

It&#039;s a vicious, socially induced cycle, this grade inflation, as evidenced by both my apocryphal story, and my personal anecdote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where I went to undergrad, students complained that we *didn&#8217;t* have the same grade distribution or average as other schools, and that it made for unfair comparisons in the marketplace.  (At the time, we had the highest ingress SAT scores in the nation, I believe, and the highest % of graduates who went on to earn PhD&#8217;s.  And yet it was said that the average GPA was 3.0)</p>
<p>There were rumors of a &#8220;normalization function&#8221; among graduate schools (medical school, in particular was mentioned), and it was said that the multiplier/primary coefficient for our school was the highest among all.  I had no way of verifying that, and, frankly, I doubted there was one shared among med schools.  But I do remember some disturbing job interviews&#8230;one who actually said to me &#8220;gee, you&#8217;ve got a 3.5.  But I&#8217;ve got another applicant with a 3.6, from (tier 4 state school), so my comparison&#8217;s actually pretty easy, and I&#8217;m not sure I even need to interview you.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a vicious, socially induced cycle, this grade inflation, as evidenced by both my apocryphal story, and my personal anecdote.</p>
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