Comments on: Tiburon to Photograph License Plates of All Cars Entering Town http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/ The Neat Side of the Web Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:37:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jm1656 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1893019 jm1656 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:49:31 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1893019 we are becoming England, this is not good. we are becoming England, this is not good.

]]> By: Wes http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892845 Wes Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:13:17 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892845 Bearfoot, the truth is, legally, when you're in a public setting, you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy. What you're talking about on the other hand, is premeditated harassment. Bearfoot, the truth is, legally, when you’re in a public setting, you don’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy. What you’re talking about on the other hand, is premeditated harassment.

]]> By: pwscott http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892790 pwscott Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:17:35 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892790 Good idea? Maybe. It could get some of the crap off the street. :p Good idea? Maybe. It could get some of the crap off the street. :p

]]> By: Bearfoot http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892773 Bearfoot Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:46:02 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892773 What we need to do is to get as many people as we possibly can to start taking pictures of her in public and use her "you're in public, you gave up all rights to privacy" BS excuse against her. I'd be willing to bet her tone would change quickly. What we need to do is to get as many people as we possibly can to start taking pictures of her in public and use her “you’re in public, you gave up all rights to privacy” BS excuse against her.

I’d be willing to bet her tone would change quickly.

]]> By: Dylyn http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892713 Dylyn Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:56:18 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892713 My English teacher talks about this "Big Brother" type of stuff all the time. In fact this one time he said that it starts like this because, "If a person is asked to put a wire on them they'll say 'Sure! I'm not guilty, do what you please!' and then when the government wants to put a microchip in their baby's head to track their life the same person will go 'Sure my kids not gonna do anything wrong, go right ahead.'" But, my English teacher is a HUGE hippie! I do agree with VSBM too!!!! My English teacher talks about this “Big Brother” type of stuff all the time. In fact this one time he said that it starts like this because, “If a person is asked to put a wire on them they’ll say ‘Sure! I’m not guilty, do what you please!’ and then when the government wants to put a microchip in their baby’s head to track their life the same person will go ‘Sure my kids not gonna do anything wrong, go right ahead.’” But, my English teacher is a HUGE hippie! I do agree with VSBM too!!!!

]]> By: Ericker http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892671 Ericker Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:30:31 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892671 I currently live in the Bay Area and this is the type of stuff that is making me hate this state more and more each day. This place is turning into a police state and no one seems to care. I need to get out of here before you have to have your papers in order to walk down the street or face the wrath of the gestapo. I currently live in the Bay Area and this is the type of stuff that is making me hate this state more and more each day. This place is turning into a police state and no one seems to care. I need to get out of here before you have to have your papers in order to walk down the street or face the wrath of the gestapo.

]]> By: Wes http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892648 Wes Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:50:58 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892648 "I'm all for it! ....just as long as I get to go into the home of every city council member of Tiburon and photograph their possessions. You know, to make sure none of it is stolen." I can't even begin to explain the total lack of correlation here. “I’m all for it! ….just as long as I get to go into the home of every city council member of Tiburon and photograph their possessions. You know, to make sure none of it is stolen.”

I can’t even begin to explain the total lack of correlation here.

]]> By: Gauldar http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892622 Gauldar Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:24:11 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892622 @Bryan C Put in jail for what? Chances are if they are putting someone in jail, it's for a good reason. @Vemba Tsith Yeah, I heard about that. Bill Gates has been known to tag people's plates who have knock-off copies of Windows, then follows people home and then eats their baby. @Bryan C

Put in jail for what? Chances are if they are putting someone in jail, it’s for a good reason.

@Vemba Tsith

Yeah, I heard about that. Bill Gates has been known to tag people’s plates who have knock-off copies of Windows, then follows people home and then eats their baby.

]]> By: Vemba Tsith http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892614 Vemba Tsith Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:55:55 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892614 actually, Medina WA started doing this back on Sep 16, 2009. Medina is where Bill Gates lives. actually, Medina WA started doing this back on Sep 16, 2009. Medina is where Bill Gates lives.

]]> By: Bryan C http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892607 Bryan C Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:29:19 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892607 "I always found that amusing. If a private company does it, it's ok (or just complained about at most), but if the government has any hand in it's blown out of proportion that everyone's rights have been taken away." That's because private companies (composed of private individuals) have all the same natural rights you and I have, whereas the government has only the powers granted to it by us. Also, Google can't take our property or put us in jail, but the government can. That said, while I agree that this is bad policy it has nothing to do with "privacy". Privacy is not a cloaking device. Your license plate and the auto registration information it references are not private. Your location on a public road is not private. Going that direction leads to madness, like cranks who try to sue photographers for taking a picture of them on a crowded city street. “I always found that amusing. If a private company does it, it’s ok (or just complained about at most), but if the government has any hand in it’s blown out of proportion that everyone’s rights have been taken away.”

That’s because private companies (composed of private individuals) have all the same natural rights you and I have, whereas the government has only the powers granted to it by us. Also, Google can’t take our property or put us in jail, but the government can.

That said, while I agree that this is bad policy it has nothing to do with “privacy”. Privacy is not a cloaking device. Your license plate and the auto registration information it references are not private. Your location on a public road is not private. Going that direction leads to madness, like cranks who try to sue photographers for taking a picture of them on a crowded city street.

]]> By: Gauldar http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892603 Gauldar Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:11:31 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892603 @required I always found that amusing. If a private company does it, it's ok (or just complained about at most), but if the government has any hand in it's blown out of proportion that everyone's rights have been taken away. Just tell them it's to help prevent people from bringing illegals over the border and they will be all for it. @required

I always found that amusing. If a private company does it, it’s ok (or just complained about at most), but if the government has any hand in it’s blown out of proportion that everyone’s rights have been taken away. Just tell them it’s to help prevent people from bringing illegals over the border and they will be all for it.

]]> By: required http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892601 required Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:05:39 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892601 FYI: Anyone can photograph things. Heck look at Google, they have filmed everyone's homes, streets, so on and so forth. If you are afraid of someone or something taking a picture of your plate, remain in the boondocks. FYI: Anyone can photograph things. Heck look at Google, they have filmed everyone’s homes, streets, so on and so forth. If you are afraid of someone or something taking a picture of your plate, remain in the boondocks.

]]> By: zeytoun http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892583 zeytoun Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:29:23 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892583 While, on the surface, I generally agree with the reasoning that data collection in public is benign to privacy concerns. However, the more and more "benign" information that is collected, pooled and analyzed by the government, the more power they are allocating to themselves. In the pursuit of justice, this is still benign. However, should there be corruption in the process, an individual life could be significantly hampered by someone with access to lots of correlated, "benign" data. Therefore, the important thing to me should be to push for at least one of the following 3 things. (1) When possible, every time we allocate power to the goverment, or other large imaginary entities, that we simultaneously allocate power to the public (for example, provide access to this data to everyone, about everyone) (2) All new information resources must be accompanied by checks to access to information, to prevent corruption. (like the FISA courts, for example) (3) or the new power should be avoided. While, on the surface, I generally agree with the reasoning that data collection in public is benign to privacy concerns.

However, the more and more “benign” information that is collected, pooled and analyzed by the government, the more power they are allocating to themselves. In the pursuit of justice, this is still benign.

However, should there be corruption in the process, an individual life could be significantly hampered by someone with access to lots of correlated, “benign” data.

Therefore, the important thing to me should be to push for at least one of the following 3 things.

(1) When possible, every time we allocate power to the goverment, or other large imaginary entities, that we simultaneously allocate power to the public (for example, provide access to this data to everyone, about everyone)

(2) All new information resources must be accompanied by checks to access to information, to prevent corruption. (like the FISA courts, for example)

(3) or the new power should be avoided.

]]> By: VSBM http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892582 VSBM Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:26:20 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892582 I'm all for it! ....just as long as I get to go into the home of every city council member of Tiburon and photograph their possessions. You know, to make sure none of it is stolen. I’m all for it! ….just as long as I get to go into the home of every city council member of Tiburon and photograph their possessions. You know, to make sure none of it is stolen.

]]> By: remf3 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892569 remf3 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:28:48 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892569 I would be upset if this was a real town and not Tiburon. This is just a good for them to keep the undesirables out. The undesirables being brown skinned people who aren't working on the lawn. Tiburon is a place for the rich, white, liberal Marin NIMBY. I would be upset if this was a real town and not Tiburon. This is just a good for them to keep the undesirables out. The undesirables being brown skinned people who aren’t working on the lawn. Tiburon is a place for the rich, white, liberal Marin NIMBY.

]]> By: zavatone http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892564 zavatone Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:39:59 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892564 Tiburon's an interesting and super wealthy place. I think they can afford to do this just to make sure things stay safe. I'm not saying it's right or not, but there's a standard way in and a standard way out. The weekend gets a tourist/drinking crowd that comes by car and ferry and the road traffic leaving can be brutal. I can see why they would want to do this. You've got to spend time drinking at Sam's to really understand. Tiburon’s an interesting and super wealthy place. I think they can afford to do this just to make sure things stay safe. I’m not saying it’s right or not, but there’s a standard way in and a standard way out. The weekend gets a tourist/drinking crowd that comes by car and ferry and the road traffic leaving can be brutal. I can see why they would want to do this. You’ve got to spend time drinking at Sam’s to really understand.

]]> By: Manticore http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892552 Manticore Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:32:09 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892552 *facepalm* *facepalm*

]]> By: ted http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892543 ted Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:44:36 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892543 "every car that enters or leaves the town" or "all the cars that enter or leave the town" “every car that enters or leaves the town”

or

“all the cars that enter or leave the town”

]]> By: Briannana http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1892536 Briannana Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:25:53 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/23/tiburon-to-photograph-license-plates-of-all-cars-entering-town/#comment-1892536 Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither. Benjamin Franklin Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither. Benjamin Franklin

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