Comments on: 10 Neat Facts About Carl Sagan http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/ The Neat Side of the Web Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:34:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Aletha http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1971720 Aletha Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:57:28 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1971720 We named our son Sagan, after him. Really. He was born on 07/22/10. Carl Sagan rules!! We named our son Sagan, after him. Really. He was born on 07/22/10. Carl Sagan rules!!

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By: Alan http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1942997 Alan Fri, 30 Apr 2010 01:09:02 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1942997 Not much info, but was awesome Not much info, but was awesome

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By: Konstantinos http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1895780 Konstantinos Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:11:38 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1895780 Your very first sentence, described 100% my feelings about the man known as Carl Sagan. Thank you. Your very first sentence, described 100% my feelings about the man known as Carl Sagan.

Thank you.

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By: MrMagoo http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1892357 MrMagoo Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:26:52 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1892357 @Larfin:"He is a true geek though, his sketch of a woman has no vagina [sic]." Actually, the original draft of the artwork did include a line to denote the labia on the female figure, but the prudes at NASA were afraid that they'd offend some blue nose politicians in charge of their funding, so-- off it came. Somehow that 1/8" line was considered pornographic, & we can't be sending porn into space, doncha' know.... @Larfin:”He is a true geek though, his sketch of a woman has no vagina [sic].”

Actually, the original draft of the artwork did include a line to denote the labia on the female figure, but the prudes at NASA were afraid that they’d offend some blue nose politicians in charge of their funding, so– off it came. Somehow that 1/8″ line was considered pornographic, & we can’t be sending porn into space, doncha’ know….

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By: russ bates http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889930 russ bates Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:40:54 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889930 Hello - bigsoldier here - bigsoldier once sat with Dr. Sagan at BosCon (Boston Science Fiction Convention) and Dr. Sagan said that he had read two of bigsoldier's Mative American sci-fi stories. And he said, "I appreciate that the original natives of this continent know it far better than any European ever could. But your regard for Champ or Bigfoot or even your own Kiowan tribal belief in the Rivermen does not mean that such entities exist. For after all, are we not just random assemblages directed by the accidental paths of chemicals and compounds and byproducts so that our interpretations are just as random?" Whereupon, bigsoldier asked, "But Dr. Sagan, if that really were true, how is it that we could be having this conversation right this very minute?" And Dr. Sagan had no answer... Hello – bigsoldier here -
bigsoldier once sat with Dr. Sagan at BosCon (Boston Science Fiction Convention) and Dr. Sagan said that he had read two of bigsoldier’s Mative American sci-fi stories. And he said, “I appreciate that the original natives of this continent know it far better than any European ever could. But your regard for Champ or Bigfoot or even your own Kiowan tribal belief in the Rivermen does not mean that such entities exist. For after all, are we not just random assemblages directed by the accidental paths of chemicals and compounds and byproducts so that our interpretations are just as random?” Whereupon, bigsoldier asked, “But Dr. Sagan, if that really were true, how is it that we could be having this conversation right this very minute?” And Dr. Sagan had no answer…

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By: Johnny Cat http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889528 Johnny Cat Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:56:05 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889528 "The Sagan Unit" is by far the geekiest, most wonderful thing I've heard today, but whatever he was smoking, methinks it was more than cannabis. Sagan also turned me on to the grandeur of the Verse. Kansas said it best: "Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky." Stuff that lasts forever truly fascinates, I only wish he was still with us to see the new discoveries. :( “The Sagan Unit” is by far the geekiest, most wonderful thing I’ve heard today, but whatever he was smoking, methinks it was more than cannabis.

Sagan also turned me on to the grandeur of the Verse. Kansas said it best: “Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky.” Stuff that lasts forever truly fascinates, I only wish he was still with us to see the new discoveries. :(

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By: Sean http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889487 Sean Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:52:55 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889487 He was also assigned to a project to nuke the moon to freak out the Russians. FACT. He was also assigned to a project to nuke the moon to freak out the Russians. FACT.

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By: DragonLost http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889477 DragonLost Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:13:00 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889477 is it just me, i always thought that auto-tune sounded like Alf is it just me, i always thought that auto-tune sounded like Alf

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By: Padraig http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889471 Padraig Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:26:11 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889471 I think you did the man a great honor, Alex. Thanks for the info, didn't know quite a bit of it... I think you did the man a great honor, Alex. Thanks for the info, didn’t know quite a bit of it…

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By: whozit http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889446 whozit Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:04:47 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889446 Old Geezer: Sagan never said "billions and billions," which popular legend attributes to him. On the Cosmos series he said the word "billion" with a pronounced, plosive "b" which many took to be a speech defect. According to Sagan, he emphasized the "b" to highlight that he was talking about billions, not mere millions. Whatever his reason, people latched on to it. Old Geezer: Sagan never said “billions and billions,” which popular legend attributes to him. On the Cosmos series he said the word “billion” with a pronounced, plosive “b” which many took to be a speech defect. According to Sagan, he emphasized the “b” to highlight that he was talking about billions, not mere millions. Whatever his reason, people latched on to it.

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By: pwscott http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889434 pwscott Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:09:42 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889434 So when the aliens contact us we have to explain all this to them? I hope they learn our language on the way into the solar system. Of course when they get here it's better odds they will hit a foreign country and all our efforts to claim credit will be thwarted by a Buddist. So when the aliens contact us we have to explain all this to them? I hope they learn our language on the way into the solar system. Of course when they get here it’s better odds they will hit a foreign country and all our efforts to claim credit will be thwarted by a Buddist.

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By: Indranil http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889423 Indranil Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:27:38 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889423 Absolutely...his birthday must be celebrated as the international day of space exploration...(or some better coinage) not just because Carl Sagan could foresee the importance of (real) science's popularization to society's ability to make intelligent decisions.... not just because he inspired many serious scientists to undertake the same task.... not just because he was a debunker of pseudo-science not just because he was a great pacifist or because he espoused humanistic values... but mainly because his vision of humans in space is yet to be realized.... and the danger that humans will destroy themselves before that vision is realized is still present. We need a constant reminder of what wonders lie unexplored in the universe, the space or other planets and can be explored if only we could learn to co-operate. I think no human (terrorists included) can feel hopeless if he/she is shown just what lies ahead! We certainly need the Carl Sagan day to be celebrated internationally so that the audacity of hope is engendered in every citizen of this world! Absolutely…his birthday must be celebrated as the international day of space exploration…(or some better coinage)

not just because Carl Sagan could foresee the importance of (real) science’s popularization to society’s ability to make intelligent decisions….

not just because he inspired many serious scientists to undertake the same task….

not just because he was a debunker of pseudo-science

not just because he was a great pacifist or because he espoused humanistic values…

but mainly because his vision of humans in space
is yet to be realized…. and the danger that humans will destroy themselves before that vision is realized is still present.

We need a constant reminder of what wonders lie unexplored in the universe, the space or other planets and can be explored if only we could learn to co-operate. I think no human (terrorists included) can feel hopeless if he/she is shown just what lies ahead!

We certainly need the Carl Sagan day to be celebrated internationally so that the audacity of hope is engendered in every citizen of this world!

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By: Morris http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889420 Morris Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:20:14 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889420 "...most people assume that because science relies on logic and careful reasoning, scientists would behave in a clinical and dispassionate way. Nothing is farther from the truth. Carl's popularity had backfired on him not once but twice..." Something that troubles me is that while scientist sometimes eat their own, it is the public that fund much of their work. If Sagan is popular amoung the laymen, it might be a good thing for all scientist, because the public is more likely to support funding. “…most people assume that because science relies on logic and careful reasoning, scientists would behave in a clinical and dispassionate way. Nothing is farther from the truth. Carl’s popularity had backfired on him not once but twice…”

Something that troubles me is that while scientist sometimes eat their own, it is the public that fund much of their work. If Sagan is popular amoung the laymen, it might be a good thing for all scientist, because the public is more likely to support funding.

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By: Joe http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889413 Joe Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:07:50 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889413 To All: My bad. You're all correct that the article is talking about Nick Sagan, Carl's son. However, it doesn't change the fact that NICK Sagan didn't write the ST:ENT episode "Terra Prime". The credits state: Teleplay By Judith Reeves-Stevens & Garfield Reeves-Stevens and Manny Coto Story By Judith Reeves-Stevens & Garfield Reeves-Stevens and André Bormanis To All:

My bad. You’re all correct that the article is talking about Nick Sagan, Carl’s son.

However, it doesn’t change the fact that NICK Sagan didn’t write the ST:ENT episode “Terra Prime”. The credits state:

Teleplay By
Judith Reeves-Stevens & Garfield Reeves-Stevens and Manny Coto

Story By
Judith Reeves-Stevens & Garfield Reeves-Stevens and André Bormanis

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By: Jennifer Gray http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889402 Jennifer Gray Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:37:06 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889402 I adore Carl Sagan. I wish he was still with us. He died way too soon. I adore Carl Sagan. I wish he was still with us. He died way too soon.

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By: Rich T http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889388 Rich T Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:08:32 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889388 Per the Volks ancedote- I want some of that stuff. Per the Volks ancedote- I want some of that stuff.

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By: AnonymousIV http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889387 AnonymousIV Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:05:35 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889387 In #4 that isn't irony. In #4 that isn’t irony.

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By: Old Geezer http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889380 Old Geezer Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:39:03 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889380 Let me get this straight. Carl Sagan never used the term "billions and billions." He only wrote a book entitled "Billions & Billions." So is it the ampersand or the capitalization that makes it different. I know! Someone else wrote the title? Let me get this straight. Carl Sagan never used the term “billions and billions.” He only wrote a book entitled “Billions & Billions.” So is it the ampersand or the capitalization that makes it different. I know! Someone else wrote the title?

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By: chesh http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889379 chesh Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:38:41 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889379 I had the chance to see Carl's widow, Ann Druyan, on a panel a few years back at Sundance, and spoke with her for a few minutes afterward. It was wonderful, and incredibly moving. Thanks for posting this. I had the chance to see Carl’s widow, Ann Druyan, on a panel a few years back at Sundance, and spoke with her for a few minutes afterward. It was wonderful, and incredibly moving. Thanks for posting this.

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By: SBG http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889363 SBG Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:44:01 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889363 You're right, Joe. Carl didn't write the episode. ;-) The post says his son Nick wrote it. You’re right, Joe. Carl didn’t write the episode. ;-) The post says his son Nick wrote it.

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By: An0n http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889362 An0n Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:38:13 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889362 Joe - The article actually referred to Carl Sagan's son Nick Sagan, not Carl himself. Joe – The article actually referred to Carl Sagan’s son Nick Sagan, not Carl himself.

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By: garbo http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889361 garbo Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:35:28 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889361 You should check out Neil DeGrasse Tyson from the NY Planetarium. He has a similar child-like wonder and enthusiasm and ability to translate complex concepts. And he has a great story about meeting Carl: http://www.videosift.com/video/Neil-DeGrasse-Tyson-On-The-Day-He-Met-Carl-Sagan You should check out Neil DeGrasse Tyson from the NY Planetarium. He has a similar child-like wonder and enthusiasm and ability to translate complex concepts. And he has a great story about meeting Carl: http://www.videosift.com/video/Neil-DeGrasse-Tyson-On-The-Day-He-Met-C arl-Sagan

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By: DBinNYC http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889360 DBinNYC Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:35:23 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889360 @Joe - Re-read the article. The author credits Carl Sagan's son Nick as writing for Trek. http://www.nicksagan.com/biography.html @Joe –

Re-read the article. The author credits Carl Sagan’s son Nick as writing for Trek.

http://www.nicksagan.com/biography.html

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By: Him http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889355 Him Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:07:48 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889355 Carl Sagan (along with Bill Nye) and their respective programs helped me to understand this vast and wonderful universe in which we live. I think he'd be proud of how much he's taught the world. Carl Sagan (along with Bill Nye) and their respective programs helped me to understand this vast and wonderful universe in which we live. I think he’d be proud of how much he’s taught the world.

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By: Joe http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889349 Joe Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:16:42 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889349 Just a geeky point of fact: Carl Sagan died in 1996. Star Trek Enterprise aired from 2001 to 2005. There's no way he could have penned the episode you suggest. In fact, the writing credits confirm this fact: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Terra_Prime_%28episode%29 I think the Carl Sagan Memorial plaque was put there by the writers of the show to memorialize this great man. I can't imagine that Sagan would ever do something like that. Just a geeky point of fact:

Carl Sagan died in 1996. Star Trek Enterprise aired from 2001 to 2005. There’s no way he could have penned the episode you suggest.

In fact, the writing credits confirm this fact: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Terra_Prime_%28episode%29

I think the Carl Sagan Memorial plaque was put there by the writers of the show to memorialize this great man. I can’t imagine that Sagan would ever do something like that.

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By: DRob http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889335 DRob Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:49:53 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889335 Larfin, the vagina is internal. It wouldn't be visible from this angle. Larfin, the vagina is internal. It wouldn’t be visible from this angle.

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By: Larfin Jackarse http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1889321 Larfin Jackarse Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:28:37 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/09/10-neat-facts-about-carl-sagan/#comment-1889321 A very neat man. Didn't know about the pot thing...interesting. I am working my way thru Cosmos now...long show. Sad he is dead. He is a true geek though, his sketch of a woman has no vagina. Not many people know he invented the Brazillion (upon Brazillion) A very neat man. Didn’t know about the pot thing…interesting. I am working my way thru Cosmos now…long show. Sad he is dead. He is a true geek though, his sketch of a woman has no vagina.

Not many people know he invented the Brazillion (upon Brazillion)

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