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		<title>By: Qliphah</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/10/09/seats-of-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-1868797</link>
		<dc:creator>Qliphah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And when the rich move on to the next big sport (I&#039;m betting gladitorial combat) the franchises will be left with nobody.</description>
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		<title>By: Another Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/10/09/seats-of-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-1868105</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with what DrDan is saying, I would say it in a more polite, family-friendly fashion.  I also agree his comment misses what this post is about.

I grew up near Cincinnati and had the Big Red Machine to root for.  My mom would buy tickets (for her and I, plus a friend or two) for my June birthday, plus the Reds would give out a few pairs of tickets to local kids who did well in school.  This meant I got to see the Reds maybe 3 or 4 times a year at Riverfront Stadium.

What turned me off of baseball was the player&#039;s strike--in 1981.  Since then, I have not cared much about pro baseball; living near Chicago has not helped to change this...

I, too, find the prices at MLB parks to be outrageous.  However, the prices at the minor league baseball teams are much more affordable and the games are much more enjoyable.  It is great to see two minor league teams play and all the players have a love of the game (and true, the desire to go pro), plus all the things they do for fans (sign autographs before and after the games, allow fans to run the bases after the game, etc.).

If the MLB thinks it can survive by only catering to the uppermiddle and upper class, then more power to them.  I agree that they are shooting themselves in the foot, but they will have to find that out.  Nothing like watching a ball game on TV and seeing a half-empty stadium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with what DrDan is saying, I would say it in a more polite, family-friendly fashion.  I also agree his comment misses what this post is about.</p>
<p>I grew up near Cincinnati and had the Big Red Machine to root for.  My mom would buy tickets (for her and I, plus a friend or two) for my June birthday, plus the Reds would give out a few pairs of tickets to local kids who did well in school.  This meant I got to see the Reds maybe 3 or 4 times a year at Riverfront Stadium.</p>
<p>What turned me off of baseball was the player&#8217;s strike&#8211;in 1981.  Since then, I have not cared much about pro baseball; living near Chicago has not helped to change this&#8230;</p>
<p>I, too, find the prices at MLB parks to be outrageous.  However, the prices at the minor league baseball teams are much more affordable and the games are much more enjoyable.  It is great to see two minor league teams play and all the players have a love of the game (and true, the desire to go pro), plus all the things they do for fans (sign autographs before and after the games, allow fans to run the bases after the game, etc.).</p>
<p>If the MLB thinks it can survive by only catering to the uppermiddle and upper class, then more power to them.  I agree that they are shooting themselves in the foot, but they will have to find that out.  Nothing like watching a ball game on TV and seeing a half-empty stadium.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Cellania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Cellania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skipweasel, it&#039;s because people set up their lives as if the income will always be there. Too much house, too much commute, too many cars, etc. And especially too much debt! 

People who always live a little below their means have a cushion when hard times come. While you and I paid off our houses by doing without some luxuries, many people just consider mortgages to be a regular expense forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skipweasel, it&#8217;s because people set up their lives as if the income will always be there. Too much house, too much commute, too many cars, etc. And especially too much debt! </p>
<p>People who always live a little below their means have a cushion when hard times come. While you and I paid off our houses by doing without some luxuries, many people just consider mortgages to be a regular expense forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Skipweasel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skipweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you have an income of 75k and no money left to spend? Four of us get by on a small fraction of that but still manage to enjoy ourselves. Owning the house helps, I guess, but even so it seems like people want too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you have an income of 75k and no money left to spend? Four of us get by on a small fraction of that but still manage to enjoy ourselves. Owning the house helps, I guess, but even so it seems like people want too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrDan is the new manager of the Yankees, and this story makes me want to go see a AAA team game.

I love MLB games and all, but the money aspect of it all is a put-off.  I just like sittin&#039; with friends, eatin&#039; peanuts, drinkin&#039;s beers, and watchin&#039; a game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrDan is the new manager of the Yankees, and this story makes me want to go see a AAA team game.</p>
<p>I love MLB games and all, but the money aspect of it all is a put-off.  I just like sittin&#8217; with friends, eatin&#8217; peanuts, drinkin&#8217;s beers, and watchin&#8217; a game.</p>
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		<title>By: MightyCow</title>
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		<dc:creator>MightyCow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrDan proves that all the money in the world can&#039;t buy class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrDan proves that all the money in the world can&#8217;t buy class.</p>
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		<title>By: SenorMysterioso</title>
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		<dc:creator>SenorMysterioso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice rant Doc but only marginally related to anything</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice rant Doc but only marginally related to anything</p>
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		<title>By: secret asian man</title>
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		<dc:creator>secret asian man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrDan:  Swing and a miss!

This article isn&#039;t criticizing the Yankees for charging what the market will bear - he&#039;s criticizing them eating their own seed corn, burning their brand value and their future for cash now.

He specifically mentions &quot;harvesting&quot;, and how some companies do it and some do not.  He praises companies that provide a quality product.

Fact is, sports teams are selling more than mere spectacle - they are selling a connection.  They&#039;re selling a community, a sense of belonging, and a tradition.  Fans would invest themselves emotionally in a team, and in turn invest themselves financially in that team&#039;s merchandise.  In order to keep this goodwill, teams would invest in their fans.  This relationship, this brand value, is worth billions of dollars.

Now teams are charging exactly what the fan is willing to pay today - do this long enough and fans won&#039;t care about the teams anymore.

Once upon a time twelve year old boys put posters of Cadillacs on their wall.  Cadillac pissed away all that brand value, sold sub-par cars, and told customers to &quot;suck on that&quot; - and after a few generations, even older people don&#039;t want Cadillacs anymore, causing GM, the great Colossus of industry, to fall.

What happens when twelve year old boys don&#039;t care about the Yankees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrDan:  Swing and a miss!</p>
<p>This article isn&#8217;t criticizing the Yankees for charging what the market will bear &#8211; he&#8217;s criticizing them eating their own seed corn, burning their brand value and their future for cash now.</p>
<p>He specifically mentions &#8220;harvesting&#8221;, and how some companies do it and some do not.  He praises companies that provide a quality product.</p>
<p>Fact is, sports teams are selling more than mere spectacle &#8211; they are selling a connection.  They&#8217;re selling a community, a sense of belonging, and a tradition.  Fans would invest themselves emotionally in a team, and in turn invest themselves financially in that team&#8217;s merchandise.  In order to keep this goodwill, teams would invest in their fans.  This relationship, this brand value, is worth billions of dollars.</p>
<p>Now teams are charging exactly what the fan is willing to pay today &#8211; do this long enough and fans won&#8217;t care about the teams anymore.</p>
<p>Once upon a time twelve year old boys put posters of Cadillacs on their wall.  Cadillac pissed away all that brand value, sold sub-par cars, and told customers to &#8220;suck on that&#8221; &#8211; and after a few generations, even older people don&#8217;t want Cadillacs anymore, causing GM, the great Colossus of industry, to fall.</p>
<p>What happens when twelve year old boys don&#8217;t care about the Yankees?</p>
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		<title>By: DrDan</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boo Hoo, I&#039;m poor but want everything! Wah! Obama! Give me everything for free! Take care of me! Get off your asses and work harder, bitches! And if you can&#039;t make it, then you suck! Move to North Korea if you want everyone to be the same. You lazy,fat, unmotivated, uneducated, unimaginative tards cry foul every time someone else does better than you and has things you don&#039;t. Stop being jealous of others. If someone has more money than you, it&#039;s none of your damn business. If you can&#039;t get into the club, then you&#039;re not cool. Deal with it. Life isn&#039;t &quot;fair&quot;.  suck on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo Hoo, I&#8217;m poor but want everything! Wah! Obama! Give me everything for free! Take care of me! Get off your asses and work harder, bitches! And if you can&#8217;t make it, then you suck! Move to North Korea if you want everyone to be the same. You lazy,fat, unmotivated, uneducated, unimaginative tards cry foul every time someone else does better than you and has things you don&#8217;t. Stop being jealous of others. If someone has more money than you, it&#8217;s none of your damn business. If you can&#8217;t get into the club, then you&#8217;re not cool. Deal with it. Life isn&#8217;t &#8220;fair&#8221;.  suck on that.</p>
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		<title>By: SenorMysterioso</title>
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		<dc:creator>SenorMysterioso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sad.  Im not sure I believe that bit about going to a movie being more expensive than a ball game just ten years ago.  Ticket prices to pretty much every sporting event are way too pricey but there are always cheap seats in every stadium.  At Rockies games you can get tickets to a section called the rockpile for $4 on the day of any game.  

What&#039;s worse is when fans agree to demolish the stadiums that they love and grew up with and pay for a new stadium with their tax dollars just to get rewarded with ticket prices so high that they cannot even pay for the parking at the stadium they built!  Owners seem content to fill up half the seats for triple the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad.  Im not sure I believe that bit about going to a movie being more expensive than a ball game just ten years ago.  Ticket prices to pretty much every sporting event are way too pricey but there are always cheap seats in every stadium.  At Rockies games you can get tickets to a section called the rockpile for $4 on the day of any game.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s worse is when fans agree to demolish the stadiums that they love and grew up with and pay for a new stadium with their tax dollars just to get rewarded with ticket prices so high that they cannot even pay for the parking at the stadium they built!  Owners seem content to fill up half the seats for triple the price.</p>
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