What's Worse: Windows or the Cult of Mac?

1. Gauldar
   September 29th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

   I like upgrading my own system, swapping in and out parts, and like PC gaming, so it's pretty obvious what I prefer. If you have the cash and buy a computer only to expect to throw it away and get a brand new one, go for a Macs. I don't how much it maters software wise anymore, so you have to look at the hardware performance above all.

2. KiloTango
   September 29th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

   I love my mac, it does what I need it for (writing, art, webdesign) very well and has some programs I can't get on windows that I like enough not to want to go back to a PC... but god I hate the smuggery that people seem to put with owning a mac. It's really annoying.

   At they end of the day, an operating system is just an operating system, it's all down to personal preference and anyone who gets that obsessive about which they use needs to find a new hobby.

   An OS (and computer, or phone, or mp3 player) is a tool, not a lifestyle choice.

3. meera
   September 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

   Apple software may be more stable....but the "clique-i-ness" and expense are difficult to swallow. And the instability and expense of windows makes it an insult to consumers. Neither really makes sense...save for compatibility issues...which are just barriers put in place by these companies in the first place. Argh!!!

   My PC is running Ubuntu. It rarely freezes, never crashes, is speedy and cooperative. The OS is easy to navigate, a lovely blend of intuitive and practical.

   The linux community is cooperative and largely without attitude.

   And the OS is free. Yep....free. Sharing, go figure!

4. Gail Pink
   September 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

   PC = Piece of Crap

5. neon
   September 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

   the price for the third party compatibility on pcs is a crash once in a while, but a least the cost/performance ratio is right and it doesn´t look like a "fisher price my first computer"

   the price for beeing a mac-user seems so be becoming a smug a-hole who is just incompatible with ppl as the mac he uses

6. grcooper
   September 29th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

   lol.. I love it.. I have used & owned a Mac for nearly 10 years.. By the rate Apple is going, I will NEVER go back...

   Good afternoon laugh though. Thanks!

7. Craig In Portland
   September 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

   How many times do I have to tell people that THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH VISTA.

8. atanguay
   September 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

   This ignorant a-hole needs to wake the hell up and just stop talking to people about their computers. Problem solved. Then he can come at this objectively...as everything should be.

   There's nothing more idiotic than saying..."I don't care how great something apparently is, I hate it because I want to hate it. I'm a writer, and my tools are computers, but I'm going to stamp my feet and pout because some people love their machines!"

   Did he ever think that some people are evangelizing these things because they've found the solution to EXACTLY what he was complaining about...computer problems like unexplained slow downs? That they've dealt with printer driver errors, slow boot ups, viruses, and just general odd behavior for years before finding out it doesn't have to be that way? It's not a cult or a religion, it's just people finding something that works a whole lot better for them and has released them from a lot of frustration.

   (And I speak from experience...I used a PC every day for 10 years before giving Macs a try and right now bounce between both happily. I will say that the Mac Pro that I own, and run both OSs on, is the finest built computer...Mac or PC...that I have ever owned. It's quiet, astoundingly stable, and powerful. I cannot say that about the many PCs I've owned and built.)

9. jdogg13
   September 29th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

   I'm not rich (or snobby) enough to own a Mac.

10. Video Game Dork
    September 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Your computer should not be a 'spiritual choice'. That's just silly.

11. kranzorZ
    September 29th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Here's a question -- Why do people defend their "side" on this issue to the death? Do we get *angry* when someone has a different preference in music, fashion, art, career choice, furniture, hobbies, food, etc...?

    I'm guessing that software and any OS has its inherent anger-inducing frustrations, and that an average non-linnux-brained user has to go through a process of learning how to cope with shortcomings, to the point of embracing their chosen OS.

    Example:
    1. You learn at some point early on that that tiny square with the X in it in the top right corner of the screen closes your program. Why? Because they told you so. A little annoyed? Yes, but now I know, and thank goodness I don't have to go through that again.

    2. You open an application on the Mac, and when someone tells you to click the red button on the top left instead of the box with the X in the top right, it seems "wrong." When you do so, and the application hasn't quit (just the window has closed), cue annoyance.

    Live and let live...

12. Nick
    September 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    atanguay, I completely agree with your statement. I'm mildly irritated by the "cult of mac", but the truth is that the "cult" was formed because macs work well! I have a similar story where I used windows for ages and then bought a mac because I liked the design of the notebook. Then found I couldn't stand to use windows anymore because it was just plain irritating by its very nature. Microsoft is living in lala land if they think they can form their own "cult". Most people who say they prefer windows say that mainly because of their annoyance with mac people, and not because of anything particularly wonderful about windows.

13. Kev
    September 29th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Isn't Charlie Brooker known as the Guardian's most die-hard anti-mac columnists, famous for being determined to badmouth the OS and its users with utter disregard for any actual information for or against?

    I mean, he's entitled to his opinion and his OS choice, as is everyone else, but are we sure Mr. Brooker is the best source for a balanced view on this particular topic?

    I mean, there are Mac "fanboys" (I hate that word) and Windows "fanboys" and Linux "fanboys", and I wouldn't ask any one of them for a balanced comparison of the various OS options and their proponents, because they usually offer more contempt than facts. And this Brooker character, I'm pretty sure, falls into the Windows fanboys camp.

14. Kev
    September 29th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Which reminds me, i've got a d-link router, and my neighbour has a Linksys, and just last week he called me a d-LOSER and threw compost at me!

    These Linksys people are just out of control.

15. Theory
    September 29th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    I've always felt that the big problem with Windows isn't Windows, but rather what PC manufacturers do with it. Crimes like shovelling crap on and pretending that Vista can run respectably on cheapo desktops with 256MB of memory come to mind!

    Isn’t Charlie Brooker known as the Guardian’s most die-hard anti-mac columnists, famous for being determined to badmouth the OS and its users with utter disregard for any actual information for or against?

    Er, no. I've been reading his column for years and he's never even mentioned them before.

16. ByrdBrain
    September 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Three things that will keep me using a PC:

    1) The Mac vs. PC commercials: they stopped being novel and funny YEARS ago. Apple uses the tactic of belittling and insulting the intelligence of the very people that they are trying to get to switch over. They portray PCs (and therefore the people that use them) in a very negative light, often stretching the truth or outright lying. I don't respond well to negative advertising and really would like to confine that shit to every fours years during the election.

    2) I like to customize my computer. I saved a good $1K on the most recent rig I built, were I to purchase it from a vendor. If it were a Mac, I'd pay about another $2K and the specs wouldn't be nearly as good. Oh, and it has run flawlessly since day one using Win 7 RC.

    3) If my iPod and the crappy iTunes software are any sort of indication of what I'd be getting with a switch to Apple-- no thanks.

17. dmsheldon87
    September 29th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    i regret your use of "cult." we're more like an autonomous collective. like the borgs or something.

18. Dru
    September 29th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    I normally like neatorama but this article is the worst article I have ever seen on this site. Most Mac users are delusional with their God complex, mightier than thou mind set about their computers, it's really getting annoying. This story in the cafe proves this, they were even referred to as monks! Walking up to someone and putting down something that they obviously spent a good portion of their income to buy. Those two mac "monks" need to mind their own business. Their time could have been better spent figuring out how not to be such smug bastards instead. Most of the problems that happen to computers is caused because people have no idea what they are doing with them and have no clue how to take care of them, being a computer tech for over 7 years showed me that. Sorry but all electronic and software driven devices will have problems, it is impossible not too. I used to repair both Macs and PCs and they both have the same exact problems, which is usually either faulty components or user stupidity.

19. Paityr
    September 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    If macs work well, never break, get viruses, etc... why are there places to fix macs, or even the genius bar in general? ALL LIES

20. Auri
    September 29th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    I'm good with computers, so given the choice between a computer that is slightly 'harder to use', but is a lot more compatible with programs I want to use and one that costs 150%-250% as much for equivalent specs, I'm going to have to choose the far cheaper and far more compatible one.

21. seekshelter
    September 29th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    a computer is a computer. macs break.. pcs break... its all personal preference... however, as mac use grows, they are now running into the problems that pc users have complained about. that 'it just works' motto really no longer applies... back in the day, macs were the domain of the 'in the know' computer user. nowadays, your average walmart shopper owns a mac. its about time they start dumbing it down.

22. LisaL
    September 29th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    I think it's hilarious how people get SO fired up over something so completely stupid.
    Geeze.. :\

23. PK
    September 29th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Any discussions involving the bastardization of Mac will include the following:
    A) Attack anyone who dared to include such article. "This is the worst thing I've read in this site."
    B) Defame the author of the original article. "The person who wrote the article is a Windows fanboy."
    C) Undermine enemies' choice. "Vista sucks."

    It is not just Apple. The product cult phenomenon appears in any genres that has an expensive variation that does the exact same thing, for example:

    - Music: People who insist on playing their eclectic songs on your stereo when they come visit.

    - Cars: Mercedes Benz, BMW drivers. They usually say nothing when they encounter a Rolls Royce.

    - Audio equipment: Those who have gigantic speakers, but only knows to play the worst pop or hiphop music.

    - Art: Just go inside a snobbish rich man's house showing their million-dollar painting. Thankfully, modern art is here to dissolve this whole complex, since modern art can be 'done' by 3-year-olds.

    Most of my people I know who use a Mac from their parents are not snobs. They usually don't care, and are not aware of the cult. Their desktops are usually filled with icons, and the only tool they use is Safari. The computers are usually filled with dents and scratches that will make a Mac-lover cry.

    Those who buy a Mac themselves are snobs. Why? They need to prove themselves for all the losses of money for purchasing from Apple. They need reasons to justify such cost. One way to justify is to tell others that alternatives suck, i.e. snobs.

    It is easy to tell who the snobs are. Usually, their computers are pristine, their desktop screens are super tidy, and you will also spot the white Apple stickers on other objects in their homes.

24. glen
    September 29th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Not a fan of Microsoft, but damn them Mac babies are annoying bastards.

25. Tim Giachetti
    September 29th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    I build my own boxes. I'm an Ubuntu user and for gaming I use WINE windows compatible layer. Works well.
    But I do find Mac fanatics to be unbearable types. Almost snooty.
    But hey, if they want to by a low powered system for almost twice the cost, that's their business.

26. Astromoof
    September 29th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Ive never really liked mac, and i think the reason has been hit on the head exactly. The cult following of mac Pushers makes me stray away from their products even more. Whenever a friend tries to 'sell' me a mac the only 2 sales points i get is: you can get it in black now and you can run windows. Congratulations i say, you just decribed every computer on the planet. No-one has ever said to me i should buy a mac because its good or it has some awsome feature. Although im a girl, the so called prettiness of mac is not going to dictate my computing or mobile needs. And for the record they're not that pretty.

27. Erik O.
    September 29th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    It's just as people here have said, it's about personal preference.
    It's so ridiculous when everyone is arguing their opinion and they expect to just change people's minds instantly.

    I used Windows XP for as long as I was on a computer. I think it's a perfectly fine OS.
    I ended up getting a black Macbook 2.5 years ago, and I'm definitely glad with the purchase, but I dual-boot XP on it anyways so that I can get the benefits from both OS's.

    I hate being included in the group of the "Apple cult". Yeah, I own a Macbook and iPhone, but I'm no spaz. They are absolutely, hands down, some of the most annoying people on the internets. Some Windows-defenders, however, can be just as annoying to listen to too, and I'm really glad that there aren't so many Linux-fanatics because then we would all probably just shoot ourselves.

    Sure, the Mac-Tax is absurd, because yes, you are paying mostly for the OS, but the OS is clean and easy to use.

    I'm just hoping that with Windows 7 out, people will just shutup and come to some sort of agreement, because Win 7 is a pretty sweet OS. I'm pretty excited to build a dual-boot Win7/Ubuntu desktop and have all the options available to me.

28. ByrdBrain
    September 29th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Along the same lines as Astromoof's later point, can any of you Mac fans come up with a compelling reason for a person to switch from a PC. No, a real reason. Not the kind that I can shoot down or disprove with a half a moment's thought. Okay- go.

29. Noelegy
    September 29th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    I find the whole debate pretty tiresome. When I was in college, my computer art and journalism classes were held in computer labs filled with Macs. So I'm glad I learned how to use them, but I think of it along the same terms as driving stick vs. driving automatic. I learned on an automatic, and it's always going to be what I'm most comfortable with, but I'm glad I know how to drive stick if I'm ever in a situation where I need to do so. And by the way, the Macs froze up and had nervous breakdowns pretty often.

30. Noelegy
    September 29th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    P.S. I know they've moved past this now, but I HATE HATE HATED the round mice on Macs.

31. BadBubby
    September 29th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    I prefer an AS400

32. Erik O.
    September 29th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Mac
    Pros - OS written/updated specifically for the hardware, fewer hardware/software issues, far fewer virus/spyware/adware/___ware issues.
    Cons - Expensive, run the risk of being a snob

    Windows
    Pros - Most widely used, tons of different options for purchasing your computer, the ability to always use the newest/fastest hardware, also the option of having a computer on the cheap.
    Cons - Most widely used so nearly all viruses are written for it, have had to deal with a few bad OS's (Windows ME, 2000, Vista).

    Linux
    Pros - Everything is free, super customizable, no viruses, Wine let's you run pretty much any Window's program, everything's free
    Cons - Kindof tough to transition to (tons of guides out there though), using Terminal can be pretty intense

33. Gauldar
    September 29th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    I've heard the virus argument before. Sure, there are fewer, but a lot of Mac users actually believe there are no viruses out there, which leads to carelessness, which is how viruses get around. I've always put AVG & Spybot Search & Destroy on my PC systems, keep it updated regularly, and avoid suspicious websites and links.

34. c0ldfish
    September 29th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    i use a mac cause i'm a designer.

    i feel that all of the zealous behaviour boils down to advertising and design. i'm suprised nobody ever realizes this.

    they are computers and nothing more. it's the image that is projected that effects the way people feel about them.

    windows has a lot going for them, but i am constantly amazed at how moronic their advertising and branding department is. they need to literally all be fired.

    probably their design department too, but bringing in better designers and advertising would cost more money and then they wouldn't be so cheap.

    anyways, mac commercials are enchanting (i'm not being subjective here, it's a witnessed fact, people believe what they say) mac design is impeccable. the designers behind the look of mac products have effected web design, film aethetics, and of course the design of other high tech gadgets.

    windows computers look bad. people have eyes and cannot help but develop a bias based on appearence.

    those windows ads are the pits though, the whole "windows mohave" campaign was patronizing and convoluted. the people they talked to were offputting and the music they played was lame.

    windows needs a makeover like the one mac got when the first gen imacs came out. it would be simple and smart. all matte black computers and a hard business slogan like "you're an adult now, buy a pc" or "you have work to do, do it on a pc" or "go pro, go pc"

    windows mohave?? a non-existant bait and switch ad campaign centered around the idea that people think their os is terrible? this is amateur advertising. people say the product is bad? say it's the best thing ever. people say it's hard to use? say it's meant for smart people.

    geeeze i'm a 21 year old kid and these things are obvious to me.

35. astrodex
    September 29th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    I have and use both for different reasons. I don't need the hipster cred which comes with my Mac or the geek cred which comes with my custom-built PC. I just need the computers. I do all my photo processing and design work on the Mac and I play games on the PC. I like the PC. I kinda love the Mac.

    I say that neither one is perfect. And neither one is spiritually fulfilling. Not even a little bit.

36. astrodex
    September 29th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    But I kinda love the PC guy.

37. Kelli
    September 29th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    For some reason, this argument among the commentators makes me think of the quote: "Russian parts, American parts! All made in Taiwan!"

    As long as I have a computer that will allow me to type my essays for school, I'm happy as a clam. I don't need to spend the extra pennies for a prettier computer. Sorry, Apple.

38. ByrdBrain
    September 29th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    c0ldfish-

    "they need to literally all be fired."
    A literal firing as opposed to a figurative one? Good to know.

    "anyways, mac commercials are enchanting"
    I find Mac commercials ANYTHING but enchanting. In fact, you've lost all credibility by saying that. Where is your proof that people are enchanted by their ads? The only one I find is a curse that makes me roll me eyes when I see them. Anyway, by saying that, you've exposed yourself as a fanboy the likes of which would be first in line to fill the position of Job's love slave - where you pay him for the "privilege".

    "windows computers look bad"
    Care to qualify that statement? My PC looks pretty damn sweet. I would stick needles in my eyes before looking at an iFroot.

    "people say the product is bad? say it’s the best thing ever"
    But... that's what apple does!

39. c0ldfish
    September 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    that's what apple does, yes. it's a strategy. lets be frank, i don't even own a computer. i just use macs in my design schools lab. i'm not a fanboy, just a user. did i mention i'm in design school? macs are well designed. (the shell n packaging n icons n stuff)

    mac commercials are enchanting, i'm gonna stick by that, of course this doesn't apply to everybody...almost nothing does. (does not apply to you apparently) lots of people are enchanted though, young kids, lots of moms, people who don't know anything about computers. once you know something about computers there are different issues to be weighed...but for the large number of people who have no clue what goes into computers they see mac ads and buy the marketing ploy.

    do you realize that you literally took my message personally? literally.

40. A
    September 29th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    I grew up on PC's (we did have a Apple II GS at one point). In 2007 my PC laptop died and I decided to switch to Mac. I still use Windows fairly regularly.
    I now prefer Apple, but if I had to I could switch to Windows. So I don't really count myself as member of the "Cult of Mac".

41. health
    September 29th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    "User friendly" doesn't mean a whole lot when you actually know how to use a computer. If I were irritated enough by any of Windows' shortcomings I would side with virtually any Linux build over a custom tailored "sleek and shiny" Mac because I don't like having my wallet raped for something that literally costs peanuts to somebody who knows how to make their OS work. The bells and whistles are cute and cool, but not worth 2.5k from my bank account.

42. thesledgehammer
    September 29th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    I'm pretty firmly on the Windows side (it's how I've made my living for quite a while,) but it's not even the Mac people that are the ones that annoy me (usually.) It's the Linux fanatics who can't stand the fact that there are still users out there who don't use open source...

    "Yes, the fact that you recompiled your kernel to add the driver for that device is impressive... In fact my Grandma is trying to get one of those things working right now. Would you mind telling her how to do it?"

43. drdreg
    September 29th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    The right tool for the job is the tool that works well and makes your life easier. For the jobs that I need a computer for I have yet to find a circumstance where the mac os is not superior to the windows os. That said, I find mac advertising juvenile, insulting and unbearable. I find the higher cost of a mac to an excellent example of the problems with monopolies I find the cost of having apple add ram to your computer when you buy it criminal. And seldom does a day go by that I don't think that the steve should be beaten to death with a dull shovel for inconveniences, dearth of choice and disfunctionality that are intentionally built into apple products. I look forward to the day where the mac os is not tied to apple hardware... it will be one small step in the right direction of making a tool that is more useable for the people that use it rather than the current situation of making a tool that is most profitable to the company that makes it.

44. Flux
    September 29th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    Ahem...
    C-64 forevaaaaaa!
    (ok... maybe just when I want to listen to Sids or play some oldschool games.)

45. Babycakes
    September 30th, 2009 at 12:19 am

    all I can say, I'm not computer savvy or anything, but I have worked with both. PC has always given me problems whereas the Mac doesn't seem to give me much. I have both at access and I like the Mac a bit more... less problems and A LOT faster. both are good for some things but not for others. I think it just depends on what you use the computers for or how you use the softwares.

46. coincidence
    September 30th, 2009 at 12:26 am

    Before you all go off on your ridiculous solipsistic brand jihads, did anyone actually READ the article that was linked here? Charlie Brooker doesn't defend Windows against Mac zealots. He says he uses Windows out of pure self-loathing and ignorance:

    "It's grim, it's slow, everything's badly designed and nothing really works properly: using Windows is like living in a communist bloc nation circa 1981. And I wouldn't change it for the world, because I'm an abject bloody idiot and I hate myself, and this is what I deserve: to be sentenced to Windows for life."

    See? We can all join hands and agree! Windows is hellish and broken, but for most of the world, that's just fine!

47. Miss Cellania
    September 30th, 2009 at 12:28 am

    I was only smug about using Macs until they invented Windows. Before that, there was a HUGE difference. Now, I'm somewhat embarrassed that Mac users are seen as a cult, and the behavior of some Mac hipsters is, yes, annoying. I still use a Mac because I see no reason to change and relearn everything, and I never used a PC enough to make an educated comparison.

48. Alex
    September 30th, 2009 at 1:58 am

    Ah, I still have fond memories of my iMac (used it mainly to type up my dissertation), but I now exclusively use PCs because they're cheaper

49. VM
    September 30th, 2009 at 2:17 am

    I use Mac because I'm in graphics and when my workplace switched over from X-actos and waxers to computer, Mac was there "fustest with the mostest" so that's what we chose. I own a Mac because sometimes I need to take my work home, and why bop in between platforms if I don't have to? (God knows I get into enough trouble from keyboard command differences between programs!). And the snobbery I've come across is more often PC-based -- you know, hardcore programmer types who sneer that you don't "really" know about computers. Well, I don't. Who cares!

    I enjoy the Mac commercials, by the way, for a reason Microsoft's never figured out (as is painfully shown by their misfired ad attempts): the PC guy is the LIKEABLE one. You FEEL for the PC guy. You so want to help him out by getting him a Mac, so he can supplant that damn Mac guy and shove his slacker-cool ass off the pristine screen.

50. Aeris
    September 30th, 2009 at 4:30 am

    It's interesting to see how many posts get around 10 comments and this one is hitting 50 already... so the war is still very much on. A similar thing can sometimes be observed with music - or stuff that many people will be passionate about.
    So far, I have been using OSX (which, after all, now works on some PCs), Windows and Linux, with preference always going towards Windows and Linux as dualboot.

    OSX is pretty initially, but depending on how you want to use your system it soon becomes quite annoying - oh and i have seen OSX crashing regularly. Also, in huge network environments they don't tend to work very well if you are unwilling to spend a lot of cash on Apple Servers.

    Windows got a lot better. Microsoft got a lot better. Look at the free support knowledge DB coming straight from the company rather than only fellow users - and their tipps do include more technical stuff like changes to the registry etc. Look at the support they're giving out for junior developers (or wannabe-developers). And ever since I've started working in videogames, I have learned to appreciate Microsoft more and more.
    My main OS on my laptop is Vista - after I got rid of the admittedly utterly slow 32 bit version it's now on 64bit and runs like a charm. No crashes so far (knocking on wood) and it's at over one year by now. This is where most everyday stuff gets done easily with a lot of clicking and surprisingly little need for maintenance.

    Backup system is Debian Linux, which is good for keeping your brain active as there's always something to fix when you run experimental (which ... you know the risk of when installing). It's also good for system, network analysis and other stuff.

    What is most annoying about apple is their habit of overpricing things just because they have rounded corners and are white or silver. Or black, sometimes. I mean ... really?

    However, I will get an iPhone. Currently the iphone store seems a bit better than android ...

51. poneyup
    September 30th, 2009 at 4:34 am

    I define myself based on my operating system. My receipt tells me who I am. This gives me a sense of enormous well-being. Forming an opinion about my consumer habits and defending those habits religiously is not only helpful to the hardworking people at today's ad agencies, but also stirs up interesting conversations with fellow consumers and thereby helps me conform to the acceptable ideal.

    Btw. I'm so totes a Mac guy. Lol. You PC users are such epic fails. Win. Pwn.

52. Absent
    September 30th, 2009 at 5:00 am

    "Slow annoying" PC are simply down to the fact that there's nothing stopping you or a manufacturer installing Windows on an underpowered machine. With a Mac you haven't got that option because everything is controlled by Apple. Choice means you can also make bad choices.

53. ted
    September 30th, 2009 at 6:24 am

    It's like South Park, with all the smug emitted by hybrid car owners.

54. c0ldfish
    September 30th, 2009 at 9:01 am

    i can't help but add one more comment. i don't have any passionate brand loyalty. i use macs a lot and windows computers pretty often. my main priority is hot keys...and once i figured out that windows computers have the same hot keys it became a pretty irrelevant point as to which os i was using.

    all the windows fanboys in this thread are way more annoying than the mac fanboys. i don't think anybody in this discussion has actually said anything disparaging about windows users and the windows users have often berated mac users as bad or stupid or lame people. that's kind of pathetic guys. see poneyup's post for an example of really unnecessary mocking.

55. Kang
    September 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    I have been using Apple products for 25 years. No bandwagon jumping here.

56. Grease Monkey
    September 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Laugh?

    Charlie remains the funniest columnist around and it's very, very sad that there are people who, on reading that piece, think only to put finger to keyboard in order to perpetuate the whole pointless Mac v. Windows debate. Ah but what about Linux? Linux? Linux! It isn't as good as FreeBSD. You're all forgetting BeOS. etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum. The ennui is mind blowing.

    To paraphrase Bill Shatner; For christ's sake people, they're only computers!

57. xenylamine
    September 30th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    I've never had a problem with Vista, and I've had it since it was released. I'm kind of neutral on the whole Windows 7 thing, as I don't see a NEED to upgrade, but the Mac commercials are just annoying. Yes, yes we know you're impressed with yourself, we get it. Begone.

    How about, if you're having such horrible issues with a PC, then you're not doing it right. And stop clicking on banner ads, geez.

58. Tom
    September 30th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    I've used all three OSes extensively (Windows, Linux, and OSX), and I have to say that OSX is by far the easiest and now the most versatile OS out there.

    I'm not sure why people are complaining that they have to throw out their macs after a few years. I had one that was ten years old that ran everything I needed just fine until a couple of years ago when I started wanting to play PC games via boot camp, at which point I dropped $1200 on a used Intel Mac (G5 tower). I have been very happy with it, and it does everything I want, including playing the most graphics intensive PC games (and even the old stuff that I missed from my Windows days, like Alpha Centauri--since I can have multiple versions of Windows).

    My Dad is still struggling with PC issues, and has been for years. After seeing how easy it is, ad how you can get a nice computer for not too much used, and seeing how long they last, and how they aren't so vulnerable to system decay as Windows is, he's finally been convinced, and has said that his next computer will be a Mac.

    I have bought one new Apple computer in my life, a Mac mini, which didn't do the job I wanted it for, but has been repurposed as a media center with great results. If you want a great computer for cheap, don't get the Mini, instead go for a used Mac, especially within a month or two of the release of a new generation of hardware. You can get a great deal on a top of the line last generation computer that will last you for 5-8 years easily, and perhaps longer, if you don't want to play new games .

59. Mouserz
    September 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    basically both sides need to shut the fuck up, doesn't matter which you use, you're all assholes and you're not doing anything productive saying your personal preference is better then everyone else's.
    On an unrelated note I'm pretty sure this comment wont show up because of the CUSSSSSSSinNG

60. Allen Garvin
    September 30th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    As a multiple-decades UNIX user who never used either a mac or a Dos/Windows PC until the 1990s, I don't come down on either side. My needs aren't the typical user's, and I'm fine with cheap, out of date hardware running linux. But the shifting arguments over time by Mac fanatics as to why Macs rule has been rather amusing to watch.

    Years ago, they were arguing the crisp greyscale monitor was superior to any color monitor, until the mac II's brought color. They argued appletalk beat ethernet or netbios or tcp/ip, until Apple ditched appletalk. Or 68k/PowerPC was vastly better than intel family procs (often accompanied by arguments over the superiorness of big-endianess), or pre-emptive multitasking is a waste of time and resources. Unix, including NeXTStep, was widely despised by 90s mac users.

    And then, every time Apple moves to some already-established standard, it's hailed as revolutionary in the press, and everyone seems to change their opinion to love what they previously hated.

61. CCBC
    September 30th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    I've never had any problems with Vista but I understand it works poorly on a Sony Vaio (or Vaio screws up Vista, however you look at it).
    People talking about superior Apple design are missing the point: PCs have all kinds of looks depending on who puts them together, but the basic design is a case that allows a number of different components to be installed. Macs are a preselected package (except for some of the higher end machines). I've built PCs with windows in the sides and lights and bells and whistles. The one I have now is a sleek black box, The case design is optimized for airflow and cooling.
    Apple OS X, Vista, Win 7, Ubuntu, whatever turns your crank is the one to use. (I do like some of the features of Snow Leopard, but the first OS X was a dog of a system.)

62. Stencil
    September 30th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    After reading through these comments, I'm surprised that the term "Cult of PC" has never popped up...it sounds like a lot of you windows/pc users are just as smug or biased as mac users.

63. samlive the red
    September 30th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    why did this spark such a massive commenting burst? what is about our computers and operating systems that get everyones panties in a twist?

    its all marketing.

64. computer games
    October 1st, 2009 at 12:39 am

    I think it is Mac. Every thing is fine except the graphics.

65. quadelirus
    October 1st, 2009 at 10:35 am

    This is a bit off topic, but I'm in the cult of Mac (pretty hard core into it), but Windows 7 is pretty nice (I use it at work rather than deal with some headaches of getting certain things I need running under Ubuntu--like when the new NVidia driver decided to eat itself--crazy).

    Of course you might say what MS did was take some of the best Mac features and copy them onto Win 7 (some of my favorites: task bar buttons that either open current windows and only if there aren't any then open a new copy of the application--visualization of windows from the taskbar [reminiscent of expose], widg-er-gadgets, nice looking visual effects, etc). Anyway, it's pretty darned good, I think. Still have to think more about viruses (don't start telling me "that's because windows has more market share..." because how does that change the fact that I still have to deal with them? I don't care WHY it has viruses or that the Mac COULD have viruses, I care that windows DOES have viruses and the Mac, for the most part DOES NOT).

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