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	<title>Comments on: Smoking Bans Cut Heart Attacks By Up To A Quarter</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. Lao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Lao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More of Big Government telling you what to do.  Our freedoms are being taken away bit-by-bit.  These same anti-tobacco lunatics are the same idiots who go running on a 95 degree day during a 3rd stage smog alert beside the highway.  And let&#039;s not mention all the toxins we breath every day in our own homes. 

Oh, and I&#039;m a non-smoker.  Why isn&#039;t anyone beating up on the fat and obese?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of Big Government telling you what to do.  Our freedoms are being taken away bit-by-bit.  These same anti-tobacco lunatics are the same idiots who go running on a 95 degree day during a 3rd stage smog alert beside the highway.  And let&#8217;s not mention all the toxins we breath every day in our own homes. </p>
<p>Oh, and I&#8217;m a non-smoker.  Why isn&#8217;t anyone beating up on the fat and obese?</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Helena Handbasket</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1863138</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady Helena Handbasket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s called a meta-analysis seefish3, it&#039;s how good science is done. Whether this one is good science or not I don&#039;t know, but yours is not a valid criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s called a meta-analysis seefish3, it&#8217;s how good science is done. Whether this one is good science or not I don&#8217;t know, but yours is not a valid criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: seefish3</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1863133</link>
		<dc:creator>seefish3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“By lumping 11 studies together...&quot;

That&#039;s reassuringly professional!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“By lumping 11 studies together&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s reassuringly professional!</p>
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		<title>By: John A</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1863091</link>
		<dc:creator>John A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the data was, well, manipulated. Or would have been if the reported study actually existed... 
 
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/7451/ 
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Although The Sunday Times claimed a 10 per cent drop in heart attacks, nowhere in the 500 word article was a source mentioned and no one was quoted giving this figure. The ‘study’ the newspaper referred to does not exist, and the anti-smoking pressure group Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) – not renowned for downplaying the risks of passive smoking – went to the unusual lengths of posting a notice on its website the following day to point out that ‘the figures reported in The Sunday Times yesterday (and now circulating elsewhere) are not based on any research conducted to date’&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Several other studies showing supposed benefits are listed - and debunked - in the article in &lt;i&gt;Spiked.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
There may have been an effect, but not to the extent this supposed &quot;study&quot; purported to find. More likely so small as to be &quot;statistically insignificant.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the data was, well, manipulated. Or would have been if the reported study actually existed&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/7451/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/7451/</a><br />
<i>&#8220;Although The Sunday Times claimed a 10 per cent drop in heart attacks, nowhere in the 500 word article was a source mentioned and no one was quoted giving this figure. The ‘study’ the newspaper referred to does not exist, and the anti-smoking pressure group Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) – not renowned for downplaying the risks of passive smoking – went to the unusual lengths of posting a notice on its website the following day to point out that ‘the figures reported in The Sunday Times yesterday (and now circulating elsewhere) are not based on any research conducted to date’&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Several other studies showing supposed benefits are listed &#8211; and debunked &#8211; in the article in <i>Spiked.</i> </p>
<p>There may have been an effect, but not to the extent this supposed &#8220;study&#8221; purported to find. More likely so small as to be &#8220;statistically insignificant.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: c0ldfish</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1863047</link>
		<dc:creator>c0ldfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i go to the university of kansas, smoke, and support smoking bans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i go to the university of kansas, smoke, and support smoking bans</p>
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		<title>By: hslch</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1862973</link>
		<dc:creator>hslch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this really what passes for scientific inference these days?  This can quite readily be attributed to a joint effect yet that does not seem to be well vetted:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_the_single_cause</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this really what passes for scientific inference these days?  This can quite readily be attributed to a joint effect yet that does not seem to be well vetted:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_the_single_cause" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_the_single_cause</a></p>
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		<title>By: TIMM</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1862860</link>
		<dc:creator>TIMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caveman has it right.

The number of factors involved and the evidence to support such a claim is almost impossible to track.  Not to mention that a study of this magnitude would take several decades before a conclusion could be drawn.

Research studies are bought and paid for by people/organizations with something to gain.  Scientific researchers are whores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caveman has it right.</p>
<p>The number of factors involved and the evidence to support such a claim is almost impossible to track.  Not to mention that a study of this magnitude would take several decades before a conclusion could be drawn.</p>
<p>Research studies are bought and paid for by people/organizations with something to gain.  Scientific researchers are whores.</p>
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		<title>By: GailW</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1862782</link>
		<dc:creator>GailW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hurray for Smoking Bans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurray for Smoking Bans!</p>
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		<title>By: Ant Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1862768</link>
		<dc:creator>Ant Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You must be a member to access this content.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1862767</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They also cut freedom 100%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They also cut freedom 100%</p>
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		<title>By: luvpumpkns</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1862737</link>
		<dc:creator>luvpumpkns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>despite the accutacies of these studies, i doubt it will change the minds of people(including myself) that feel that the owners of private establishments should be able to choose whether or not they want to go non-smoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>despite the accutacies of these studies, i doubt it will change the minds of people(including myself) that feel that the owners of private establishments should be able to choose whether or not they want to go non-smoking.</p>
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		<title>By: caveman</title>
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		<dc:creator>caveman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they chose those studies that corroborated their point and discarded the ones that didn&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they chose those studies that corroborated their point and discarded the ones that didn&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Doe</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1862667</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: generalsn</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1862653</link>
		<dc:creator>generalsn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one ever knew how healthy it is to smoke outdoors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one ever knew how healthy it is to smoke outdoors.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Helena Handbasket</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1862630</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady Helena Handbasket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant idea, dutchboy. We could also scrap speed limits on roads, ban airbags, ban motorbike helmets, cut mandatory murder sentences, dissolve the Food and Drug Administration, the Federal Emergency Management Authority and the Center for Disease Control, scrap safety checks on airplanes and issue guns to all 10-year-olds. Think of the savings. We could solve the global recession and the overpopulation problem at a stroke. I just wonder why nobody thought of it before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant idea, dutchboy. We could also scrap speed limits on roads, ban airbags, ban motorbike helmets, cut mandatory murder sentences, dissolve the Food and Drug Administration, the Federal Emergency Management Authority and the Center for Disease Control, scrap safety checks on airplanes and issue guns to all 10-year-olds. Think of the savings. We could solve the global recession and the overpopulation problem at a stroke. I just wonder why nobody thought of it before.</p>
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		<title>By: dutchboy</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1862625</link>
		<dc:creator>dutchboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I thought the world was overpopulated anyhow, wouldnt it be better for mother earth to stop the jihad against smoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I thought the world was overpopulated anyhow, wouldnt it be better for mother earth to stop the jihad against smoking.</p>
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		<title>By: FishBottleT</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/26/smoking-bans-cut-heart-attacks-by-up-to-a-quarter/comment-page-1/#comment-1862578</link>
		<dc:creator>FishBottleT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good news. I am not a smoker myself but have friends that are. I am happy to hear that they are confirming that facts that second hand smoke is a health risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good news. I am not a smoker myself but have friends that are. I am happy to hear that they are confirming that facts that second hand smoke is a health risk.</p>
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