Comments on: Booze Therapy: Giving Alcohol to Patients with Head Injury http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/ The Neat Side of the Web Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:23:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lazoro http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1894182 Lazoro Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:51:50 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1894182 Have never heard of booze specifically helping or benefiting a brain injury per se other than the above poster. Yes booze has inflammatory effects that are pretty notorious but I recently heard a bit of contradiction regarding the subject. And I'm sure people will get the wrong idea as to this being another little green light to party it up! Not sure about the specifics but actually heard that the malt and hops part of the beer do something positive to the bone structure either regarding reducing inflamation and/or perhaps heeling it. Source: heard it on the alternative medicine show, "Health Talk" on the radio. It's not really a pro alcohol show either - it's pretty impartial about the subject to say the least. Also red wine was mentioned too as to being beneficial in some way regarding basically helping bone structure in some way. Soft tissue however, I do not think was necessarily included in that. Not sure what to do with this information regarding head injuries though. Drinking freely might be a problem here. At the most, one or two drinks at dinner just to be on the safe side, especially with things like aneurysms that can burst from too much booze. I don't think it is recommend drinking more than 5 drinks per week though for anyone, which hardly seems like it would be even worth bothering. Have never heard of booze specifically helping or benefiting a brain injury per se other than the above poster. Yes booze has inflammatory effects that are pretty notorious but I recently heard a bit of contradiction regarding the subject. And I’m sure people will get the wrong idea as to this being another little green light to party it up! Not sure about the specifics but actually heard that the malt and hops part of the beer do something positive to the bone structure either regarding reducing inflamation and/or perhaps heeling it. Source: heard it on the alternative medicine show, “Health Talk” on the radio. It’s not really a pro alcohol show either – it’s pretty impartial about the subject to say the least. Also red wine was mentioned too as to being beneficial in some way regarding basically helping bone structure in some way. Soft tissue however, I do not think was necessarily included in that. Not sure what to do with this information regarding head injuries though. Drinking freely might be a problem here. At the most, one or two drinks at dinner just to be on the safe side, especially with things like aneurysms that can burst from too much booze. I don’t think it is recommend drinking more than 5 drinks per week though for anyone, which hardly seems like it would be even worth bothering.

]]> By: Cheryl Howard http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1880459 Cheryl Howard Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:28:11 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1880459 I have known several kind of <a href="http://www.brainhealthandpuzzles.com/brain_injury_rehabilitation.html" rel="nofollow">brain injury rehabilitation</a> but the booze therapy is really fascinating. Is it truly effective in treating brain injuries? I have known several kind of brain injury rehabilitation but the booze therapy is really fascinating. Is it truly effective in treating brain injuries?

]]> By: Dr Jane http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1862818 Dr Jane Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:58:21 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1862818 The "rag-doll" effect was noted in Chinese texts predating Christianity- in the context of "falling from a carriage" it is said that "the drunkard escapes injury because his spirit is complete" which is an old fashioned way of saying the person rolls with the fall and doesn't tense up to resist it. Sorry I can't remember which ancient chinese author wrote this. The effect being examined here is a different one- on the brains inflammatory response to injury- the right dose of ethanol inhibits this. Alcohol intoxication is responsible for the vast majority of serious head injury, so drinking before an accident, even if it does reduce neural injury, is not on the whole protective- (you are about 12% less likely to die if you have a head injury while you have ethanol in your blood stream, but you are at least twice as likley to get a head injury in the first place if you are intoxicated). Based on this research, it would appear that administering the ideal amount of ethanol in an emergency department setting may be able to reduce neural injury after a head injury. However drinking alcohol at home as a treatment for head injury is likely to result in a concussed person lapsing into unconsiousness and dying from intercranial bleeding. The best advice if you have a head injury is not to drink alcohol, and to get to a hospital. Dr Jane. The “rag-doll” effect was noted in Chinese texts predating Christianity- in the context of “falling from a carriage” it is said that “the drunkard escapes injury because his spirit is complete” which is an old fashioned way of saying the person rolls with the fall and doesn’t tense up to resist it. Sorry I can’t remember which ancient chinese author wrote this.

The effect being examined here is a different one- on the brains inflammatory response to injury- the right dose of ethanol inhibits this.

Alcohol intoxication is responsible for the vast majority of serious head injury, so drinking before an accident, even if it does reduce neural injury, is not on the whole protective- (you are about 12% less likely to die if you have a head injury while you have ethanol in your blood stream, but you are at least twice as likley to get a head injury in the first place if you are intoxicated).

Based on this research, it would appear that administering the ideal amount of ethanol in an emergency department setting may be able to reduce neural injury after a head injury. However drinking alcohol at home as a treatment for head injury is likely to result in a concussed person lapsing into unconsiousness and dying from intercranial bleeding. The best advice if you have a head injury is not to drink alcohol, and to get to a hospital.

Dr Jane.

]]> By: EC http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1861467 EC Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:21:31 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1861467 I wonder if this would be more tempting for the <a href="http://scrubsmag.com/?utm_source=BC2" rel="nofollow">nurse</a> giving the "treatment" to either injure themself or just say screw it and join the patient. I wonder if this would be more tempting for the nurse giving the “treatment” to either injure themself or just say screw it and join the patient.

]]> By: Foreigner1 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1861450 Foreigner1 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:26:31 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1861450 I always believed that drunks survive horrible falls and accidents because they are like loose puppets. That it was the flexibility, the just not really resisting that made them somehow stay more or less in one piece. I always believed that drunks survive horrible falls and accidents because they are like loose puppets. That it was the flexibility, the just not really resisting that made them somehow stay more or less in one piece.

]]> By: OnTheWagon http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1861393 OnTheWagon Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:51:11 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1861393 Another reason drunk people survive accidents is because many drunk driving accidents occur when the car driven by the drunk driver T-bones the car driven by the non-drunk. Being T-boned is much more likely to kill you than being the driver of the car that does the T-boning, regardless of anyone's state of inebriation. Another reason drunk people survive accidents is because many drunk driving accidents occur when the car driven by the drunk driver T-bones the car driven by the non-drunk. Being T-boned is much more likely to kill you than being the driver of the car that does the T-boning, regardless of anyone’s state of inebriation.

]]> By: c0ldfish http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1861350 c0ldfish Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:04:24 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1861350 yes, i do hope these researchers are taking the rag doll effect into account. I.E. the tendency for drunk drivers to physically endure crashes better. I.E. "rolling" with the flow. yes, i do hope these researchers are taking the rag doll effect into account. I.E. the tendency for drunk drivers to physically endure crashes better. I.E. “rolling” with the flow.

]]> By: Courageous Grace http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1861193 Courageous Grace Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:20:14 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1861193 Once I heard that the sober driver tends to tense when they see an unavoidable accident. The tension and rigidity in their body makes them less likely to "roll" with the flow of motion in an accident. Don't remember where I heard that from and I could be very wrong but it seems to make sense. Once I heard that the sober driver tends to tense when they see an unavoidable accident. The tension and rigidity in their body makes them less likely to “roll” with the flow of motion in an accident. Don’t remember where I heard that from and I could be very wrong but it seems to make sense.

]]> By: Johnny Cat http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1861136 Johnny Cat Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:15:25 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1861136 This has been a fact that drives (npi) the MADD campaigns so well. A very high percentage of drunk driving accidents see the drunk as the survivor, due to inebriated nerves. They're more flexible. This has been a fact that drives (npi) the MADD campaigns so well. A very high percentage of drunk driving accidents see the drunk as the survivor, due to inebriated nerves. They’re more flexible.

]]> By: quiverbuzz http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1861129 quiverbuzz Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:49:37 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1861129 I am compelled to agree! I had a nasty fall a couple of weeks ago. While blaming no-one but myself, I was completely memory-loss drunk. I remember being in the pub with my mates, definitely worse for wear, then quick pan to yelling obscenities at the paramedics in the ambulance whisking me to A&E. No recollection of how I was injured, or how it came about! But apparently I had had a pretty nasty faceplant somewhere along the line, which neccessitated stitches, but the head trauma - judged by questioning and eye examination - revealed nothing out of the ordinary. I thought I was just lucky, but given this, maybe the booze served a purpose.. I am compelled to agree! I had a nasty fall a couple of weeks ago. While blaming no-one but myself, I was completely memory-loss drunk. I remember being in the pub with my mates, definitely worse for wear, then quick pan to yelling obscenities at the paramedics in the ambulance whisking me to A&E. No recollection of how I was injured, or how it came about! But apparently I had had a pretty nasty faceplant somewhere along the line, which neccessitated stitches, but the head trauma – judged by questioning and eye examination – revealed nothing out of the ordinary. I thought I was just lucky, but given this, maybe the booze served a purpose..

]]> By: Jessie Lee http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1861124 Jessie Lee Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:28:00 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1861124 Do adjust your self, about one or two. It's better! Do adjust your self, about one or two. It’s better!

]]> By: Gary http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-1861110 Gary Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:50:05 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/22/booze-therapy-giving-alcohol-to-patients-with-head-injury/#comment-1861110 Crack your head? Here, celebrate with a drink or two. Cheers! Crack your head? Here, celebrate with a drink or two. Cheers!

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