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	<title>Comments on: The Math Book: Milestones in the History of Math</title>
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		<title>By: Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/09/08/the-math-book-milestones-in-the-history-of-math/comment-page-1/#comment-1884594</link>
		<dc:creator>Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am puzzled about the cicada prime number life cycle idea.  Just because other animals have even year life cycles, isn&#039;t their always an abundent amount of preditors any given year?  Just because their life cycle is an even numbers of years, doesn&#039;t mean each animal is the same age.

I am not saying this is wrong. I am just puzzled by the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am puzzled about the cicada prime number life cycle idea.  Just because other animals have even year life cycles, isn&#8217;t their always an abundent amount of preditors any given year?  Just because their life cycle is an even numbers of years, doesn&#8217;t mean each animal is the same age.</p>
<p>I am not saying this is wrong. I am just puzzled by the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: hanyujoys</title>
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		<dc:creator>hanyujoys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PeterG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone explain how flat circles cannot be made into Borromean Rings?  Perhaps I do not know what &quot;flat circles&quot; are?

Assume that the upper most circle in the picture above is &quot;A&quot;.  The lower most circle is &quot;B&quot; and the right most circle is &quot;C&quot;.

In the picture above we have the following:

1) A is over B
2) A is under C
3) B is over C
4) B is under A
5) C is over A
6) C is under B

(Once can see that 1 and 4, 2 and 5 &amp; 3 and 6 are merely saying the same thing in the opposite manner.)

I cut three identical circles out of a piece of paper and the cut a slit in each one to allow for interlocking.  (One must assume a slit in the circle because one cannot (if not an illusionist, a magician with trick rings or a physicist with quantum mechanical rings) make solid objects pass through each other.)  After doing so I was able to construct a BR immediately.  No twisting, kinks or deformations were necessary - the feat was accomplished by merely passing the slits through at the appropriate points.

Now perhaps by flat circles it is meant that the circles are always on the same plane such that they would bump into each other and therefore interlocking could not occur.  However, if that were the case you would have to say that two flat circles could not interlock.  The implication would then be that BRs aren&#039;t that special; therefore, I have to assume that flat circles mean something else (and cause the impossibility of creating BRs) or that I have missed something that is blatantly obvious.

I fear in my naiveté that a &quot;flat circle&quot; in the &quot;physical&quot; world; i.e., that I can cut out of a flat sheet of paper, is not the same as a flat circle in the scientific world.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone explain how flat circles cannot be made into Borromean Rings?  Perhaps I do not know what &#8220;flat circles&#8221; are?</p>
<p>Assume that the upper most circle in the picture above is &#8220;A&#8221;.  The lower most circle is &#8220;B&#8221; and the right most circle is &#8220;C&#8221;.</p>
<p>In the picture above we have the following:</p>
<p>1) A is over B<br />
2) A is under C<br />
3) B is over C<br />
4) B is under A<br />
5) C is over A<br />
6) C is under B</p>
<p>(Once can see that 1 and 4, 2 and 5 &amp; 3 and 6 are merely saying the same thing in the opposite manner.)</p>
<p>I cut three identical circles out of a piece of paper and the cut a slit in each one to allow for interlocking.  (One must assume a slit in the circle because one cannot (if not an illusionist, a magician with trick rings or a physicist with quantum mechanical rings) make solid objects pass through each other.)  After doing so I was able to construct a BR immediately.  No twisting, kinks or deformations were necessary &#8211; the feat was accomplished by merely passing the slits through at the appropriate points.</p>
<p>Now perhaps by flat circles it is meant that the circles are always on the same plane such that they would bump into each other and therefore interlocking could not occur.  However, if that were the case you would have to say that two flat circles could not interlock.  The implication would then be that BRs aren&#8217;t that special; therefore, I have to assume that flat circles mean something else (and cause the impossibility of creating BRs) or that I have missed something that is blatantly obvious.</p>
<p>I fear in my naiveté that a &#8220;flat circle&#8221; in the &#8220;physical&#8221; world; i.e., that I can cut out of a flat sheet of paper, is not the same as a flat circle in the scientific world.</p>
<p>Thanks!!</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Math frightens me and I must run far, far away from it. However, Max Tegmark is hot. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Math frightens me and I must run far, far away from it. However, Max Tegmark is hot. <img src='http://www.neatorama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: gerrycody</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerrycody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i also love math and when younger thought i was good at, now i know better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i also love math and when younger thought i was good at, now i know better</p>
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		<title>By: GeneAriani</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeneAriani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff Pickover&#039;s RealityCarnival at 

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/realitycarnival.html

is an amazing site highly recommended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff Pickover&#8217;s RealityCarnival at </p>
<p><a href="http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/realitycarnival.html" rel="nofollow">http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/realitycarnival.html</a></p>
<p>is an amazing site highly recommended.</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skipped over this one. Where are the videos of kittens?</description>
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		<title>By: WHew</title>
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		<dc:creator>WHew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THe E8 graph and golden ratio are proof of our designer.</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for that, Nic M - that was one of the most noteworthy comment I&#039;ve read in a while ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for that, Nic M &#8211; that was one of the most noteworthy comment I&#8217;ve read in a while <img src='http://www.neatorama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: helimx</title>
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		<dc:creator>helimx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I don&#039;t really need to buy the book after that huge post. lol
I definitely don&#039;t need to buy it after reading all the comments. 
I like math, I suppose. But this is probably the most &quot;free time&quot; I have ever spent thinking about it. I use math at work so much that I&#039;d rather not think about it when I&#039;m not there. 
good post though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I don&#8217;t really need to buy the book after that huge post. lol<br />
I definitely don&#8217;t need to buy it after reading all the comments.<br />
I like math, I suppose. But this is probably the most &#8220;free time&#8221; I have ever spent thinking about it. I use math at work so much that I&#8217;d rather not think about it when I&#8217;m not there.<br />
good post though.</p>
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		<title>By: BlogLuomLat</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlogLuomLat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nic M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Charles&#039; comment is interesting, so let me flesh it out a bit. 

As some of you you might know, a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_number&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;normal number&lt;/a&gt; is a real number whose digits, in every base, are distributed uniformly. Almost all reals are normal (i.e., non-normals have Lebesgue measure 0). So this is a good example of the kind of base-independent property that makes a &quot;true&quot; mathematical law.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champernowne_constant&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Champernowne&#039;s Constant&lt;/a&gt; is a good example of a normal number:

0.12345678910111213141516...

It&#039;s just successive integers in Base-10 here. But the &quot;normalcy&quot; of this constant is invariant across bases, which is fascinating.

On the other hand, Benford&#039;s Law is a kind of statistical property of real-life sets of data; it is not a purely mathematical property in the same way. The continuum of real numbers has just as &quot;many&quot; numbers that start with .1... as .9... (and .123456... for that matter). 

Let&#039;s be careful here though, because though the applicability of Benford&#039;s law has to do with *finite* data-sets empirically gleaned, the purely mathematical relations described by the law are as robust and real as you please. For instance, Benford&#039;s law is scale-invariant: it doesn&#039;t matter whether you measure the height of buildings in inches or feet or meters!

Meanwhile, the logarithmic distribution of digits in real-life data-sets, however, can be calculated *across bases too* (though of course the actual probabilities will have to be re-calculated). So in a Base-8 or -16 system the leading digit phenomenon will appear here but the probability will change accordingly. It&#039;s rather simple to calculate, actually. So Benford&#039;s law holds true as long as Base &gt; 2. 

So really it&#039;s not as limited as one would think. The Wikipedia page on Benford&#039;s law explains this quite clearly in relation to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law#Outcomes_of_exponential_growth_processes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;exponential growth processes&lt;/a&gt;. The only real limit is that it is applicable to certain kinds of data-sets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Charles&#8217; comment is interesting, so let me flesh it out a bit. </p>
<p>As some of you you might know, a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_number" rel="nofollow">normal number</a> is a real number whose digits, in every base, are distributed uniformly. Almost all reals are normal (i.e., non-normals have Lebesgue measure 0). So this is a good example of the kind of base-independent property that makes a &#8220;true&#8221; mathematical law.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champernowne_constant" rel="nofollow">Champernowne&#8217;s Constant</a> is a good example of a normal number:</p>
<p>0.12345678910111213141516&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just successive integers in Base-10 here. But the &#8220;normalcy&#8221; of this constant is invariant across bases, which is fascinating.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Benford&#8217;s Law is a kind of statistical property of real-life sets of data; it is not a purely mathematical property in the same way. The continuum of real numbers has just as &#8220;many&#8221; numbers that start with .1&#8230; as .9&#8230; (and .123456&#8230; for that matter). </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be careful here though, because though the applicability of Benford&#8217;s law has to do with *finite* data-sets empirically gleaned, the purely mathematical relations described by the law are as robust and real as you please. For instance, Benford&#8217;s law is scale-invariant: it doesn&#8217;t matter whether you measure the height of buildings in inches or feet or meters!</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the logarithmic distribution of digits in real-life data-sets, however, can be calculated *across bases too* (though of course the actual probabilities will have to be re-calculated). So in a Base-8 or -16 system the leading digit phenomenon will appear here but the probability will change accordingly. It&#8217;s rather simple to calculate, actually. So Benford&#8217;s law holds true as long as Base &gt; 2. </p>
<p>So really it&#8217;s not as limited as one would think. The Wikipedia page on Benford&#8217;s law explains this quite clearly in relation to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law#Outcomes_of_exponential_growth_processes" rel="nofollow">exponential growth processes</a>. The only real limit is that it is applicable to certain kinds of data-sets.</p>
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		<title>By: Johaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really cool to think there is alot more truth out there to all of this.  When I say truth, I mean something that is constant and hopefully definable and useful.   Who would of thought there is all this inherant rationality in the large universe, I hope it is also there in the microverse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really cool to think there is alot more truth out there to all of this.  When I say truth, I mean something that is constant and hopefully definable and useful.   Who would of thought there is all this inherant rationality in the large universe, I hope it is also there in the microverse.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Ortel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Ortel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Benford&#039;s Law is neither correct nor a &quot;Law&quot;. Instead, BL is a product of the fact that all observed numbers are shown in Base 10, sets chosen for study are absolutely not &quot;randomly selected&quot;, and many are biased in that they each relentlessly grow.

To be a &quot;Law&quot;, the underlying principle should work in every base of mathematical expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Benford&#8217;s Law is neither correct nor a &#8220;Law&#8221;. Instead, BL is a product of the fact that all observed numbers are shown in Base 10, sets chosen for study are absolutely not &#8220;randomly selected&#8221;, and many are biased in that they each relentlessly grow.</p>
<p>To be a &#8220;Law&#8221;, the underlying principle should work in every base of mathematical expression.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golden ratio was used in the construction of Pyramids too :)</description>
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		<title>By: zounds!</title>
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		<dc:creator>zounds!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not terribly interested in math as a field of study, but this was an incredibly cool article - much appreciated, the armchair scientist in me loves it.</description>
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		<title>By: Lady Helena Handbasket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lady Helena Handbasket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahundred, I dispute that the golden rectangle is the most pleasing shape to the eye. Personally I much prefer to gaze on a tight pair of buns, and I don&#039;t think I am particularly unusual in this. Sadly though I have hardly ever seen my favourite shape represented in the facade of a building. But I live in hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahundred, I dispute that the golden rectangle is the most pleasing shape to the eye. Personally I much prefer to gaze on a tight pair of buns, and I don&#8217;t think I am particularly unusual in this. Sadly though I have hardly ever seen my favourite shape represented in the facade of a building. But I live in hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahundred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahundred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That golden ratio is actually very important in one of my interests, architecture. It&#039;s basically the most pleasing shape to the eye, you find it all over facades. That is, the facades of old buildings. If you tell a modern architect about the golden ratio he&#039;ll laugh at you and go back to designing upside-down pyramids and buildings shaped like mobius strips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That golden ratio is actually very important in one of my interests, architecture. It&#8217;s basically the most pleasing shape to the eye, you find it all over facades. That is, the facades of old buildings. If you tell a modern architect about the golden ratio he&#8217;ll laugh at you and go back to designing upside-down pyramids and buildings shaped like mobius strips.</p>
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