Comments on: 60th Anniversary of Nineteen Eighty-Four http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/ The Neat Side of the Web Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:25:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jochsner http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1778692 jochsner Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:24:32 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1778692 Let's see--we don't have crimethink nor joycamp. We do have "hate crime" and "sensitivity training". Hmm. Let’s see–we don’t have crimethink nor joycamp. We do have “hate crime” and “sensitivity training”. Hmm.

]]> By: Kalel http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1777470 Kalel Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:07:13 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1777470 And lol@pwscott... Now I can't look at Orwell's picture without seeing James Cromwell and Frank Zappa. And lol@pwscott…

Now I can’t look at Orwell’s picture without seeing James Cromwell and Frank Zappa.

]]> By: Mytake http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1777451 Mytake Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:43:50 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1777451 ted, no, sorry, neither explaination attempt cuts it. "Anti-propaganda propaganda" sounds uncannily like the newspeak Orwell was denouncing. If you read the book, you see he clearly does not take the side of States or institutions, his focus is on the individual. Again, "ill-informed" and "premises" make no sense in a dystopian novel. I invite you try and present examples of misinformation taken from the book itself instead of just pointing out a vague possibility. ted, no, sorry, neither explaination attempt cuts it.

“Anti-propaganda propaganda” sounds uncannily like the newspeak Orwell was denouncing. If you read the book, you see he clearly does not take the side of States or institutions, his focus is on the individual.

Again, “ill-informed” and “premises” make no sense in a dystopian novel. I invite you try and present examples of misinformation taken from the book itself instead of just pointing out a vague possibility.

]]> By: ted http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1777427 ted Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:07:57 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1777427 Mytake, it could very easily be anti-propaganda propaganda. I think our definitions of propaganda have probably loosened up. Now it means "whatever the other side is saying". It could be ill-informed if it were based on imperfectly formed or poorly researched premises. Mytake, it could very easily be anti-propaganda propaganda. I think our definitions of propaganda have probably loosened up. Now it means “whatever the other side is saying”.

It could be ill-informed if it were based on imperfectly formed or poorly researched premises.

]]> By: Skipweasel http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1776066 Skipweasel Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:04:53 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1776066 kat:- Yup - Brazil was a far better film of 1984 than the film of 1984 that came out in 1984 was. Then again, it's by Gilliam, so it'd be hard pushed to be bad. kat:- Yup – Brazil was a far better film of 1984 than the film of 1984 that came out in 1984 was. Then again, it’s by Gilliam, so it’d be hard pushed to be bad.

]]> By: Kalel http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1775957 Kalel Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:20:27 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1775957 I think I would like the book better had it been written by Edgar Rice Burroughs. I think I would like the book better had it been written by Edgar Rice Burroughs.

]]> By: Mytake http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1775718 Mytake Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:57:39 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1775718 1525, please tell us what's the "propaganda" in 1984, since it's been understood to be precisely the opposite of that, i.e., an indictement of all forms of propaganda and groupthink. Also, being a work of fiction that takes place in a dystopian future, I don't see how it could be "ill-informed"... 1525, please tell us what’s the “propaganda” in 1984, since it’s been understood to be precisely the opposite of that, i.e., an indictement of all forms of propaganda and groupthink. Also, being a work of fiction that takes place in a dystopian future, I don’t see how it could be “ill-informed”…

]]> By: 1525 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1775460 1525 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:03:48 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1775460 I've never understood how intelligent could possibly rate this book so highly. At its best, it's naive and ill-informed. At its worst, it's ham-fisted propaganda. The most favourable thing I can say for 1984 is that I can imagine its ideas were innovative and bold when it was published. Since then, it's been done over and over again, usually as part of a larger plot, and usually better. I’ve never understood how intelligent could possibly rate this book so highly. At its best, it’s naive and ill-informed. At its worst, it’s ham-fisted propaganda. The most favourable thing I can say for 1984 is that I can imagine its ideas were innovative and bold when it was published. Since then, it’s been done over and over again, usually as part of a larger plot, and usually better.

]]> By: kat http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1775444 kat Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:49:56 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1775444 i loved the book... the movie brazil was pretty decent. just another reason why people born june 12, 1984 are so awesome... yes... yes we are. i loved the book… the movie brazil was pretty decent.

just another reason why people born june 12, 1984 are so awesome… yes… yes we are.

]]> By: Thebes http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1775388 Thebes Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:38:57 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1775388 Is it really possible that they ARE watching everybody, all of the time? Is it really possible that they ARE watching everybody, all of the time?

]]> By: Alex http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1775304 Alex Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:02:39 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1775304 Orwell was probably spinning in his grave when Apple used his imagery for the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8" rel="nofollow">Macintosh ad</a>. Orwell was probably spinning in his grave when Apple used his imagery for the Macintosh ad.

]]> By: madcap http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1775300 madcap Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:56:56 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1775300 Recall the 1984 film (in 1984) too. Unforgettable. John Hurt and Richard Burton (his last film). Magnus frater spectat te Recall the 1984 film (in 1984) too. Unforgettable. John Hurt and Richard Burton (his last film).

Magnus frater spectat te

]]> By: Dude http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1775183 Dude Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:06:46 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1775183 "We are at war with Oceania. We have ALWAYS been at war with Oceania. War is Peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." What? “We are at war with Oceania. We have ALWAYS been at war with Oceania. War is Peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.”

What?

]]> By: Miss Cellania http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1775032 Miss Cellania Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:33:56 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1775032 We are at war with Oceania. We have ALWAYS been at war with Oceania. War is Peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. We are at war with Oceania. We have ALWAYS been at war with Oceania. War is Peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

]]> By: Tempscire http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1774985 Tempscire Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:53:01 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1774985 To celebrate, we can increase the chocolate ration from 4 grams to 3 grams! =D To celebrate, we can increase the chocolate ration from 4 grams to 3 grams! =D

]]> By: CrypticJ http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1774909 CrypticJ Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:39:48 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1774909 Thank you for the link! I've always wanted to read this book and now I have an easy way to do so on my netbook. Thank you for the link!

I’ve always wanted to read this book and now I have an easy way to do so on my netbook.

]]> By: angstrom http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1774833 angstrom Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:25:39 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1774833 I recommend trying his other works too, the non-fiction. Especially Down and out in Paris and London, or Homage to Catalonia, also his short essays. It's all good stuff. I recommend trying his other works too, the non-fiction. Especially Down and out in Paris and London, or Homage to Catalonia, also his short essays. It’s all good stuff.

]]> By: Mytake http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1774825 Mytake Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:14:51 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1774825 More relevant than ever with all the nanny state dumbness and politically correct newspeak festering on certain countries. Needles to say, it's one of the truly essential readings of all time. More relevant than ever with all the nanny state dumbness and politically correct newspeak festering on certain countries.

Needles to say, it’s one of the truly essential readings of all time.

]]> By: pwscott http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1774680 pwscott Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:05:33 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/12/60th-anniversary-of-nineteen-eighty-four/#comment-1774680 Kind of looks like a cross between James Cromwell and Frank Zappa. Kind of looks like a cross between James Cromwell and Frank Zappa.

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