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	<title>Comments on: Star Trek as a Liberal/Progressive Vision of the Future</title>
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		<title>By: Johnny Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked Chekov.  So different looking and still so much like the original character created by Koenig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked Chekov.  So different looking and still so much like the original character created by Koenig.</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gauldar, that&#039;s right, he&#039;s Korean. Mea culpa - my mind was elsewhere when I typed that. He did a good job, but, yeah Kal Penn would&#039;ve been hilarious.

Chekhov shouldn&#039;t have been there at all - he wasn&#039;t actually recruited until something like the second season. Spock and Uhura - it just cheapens her character to have her doing her senior officer. They took away some of her independent spirit. Of course, you could consider that a liberal influence after the whole Monica Lewinsky thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gauldar, that's right, he's Korean. Mea culpa - my mind was elsewhere when I typed that. He did a good job, but, yeah Kal Penn would've been hilarious.</p>
<p>Chekhov shouldn't have been there at all - he wasn't actually recruited until something like the second season. Spock and Uhura - it just cheapens her character to have her doing her senior officer. They took away some of her independent spirit. Of course, you could consider that a liberal influence after the whole Monica Lewinsky thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, there is no gender equality yet...</description>
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		<title>By: Gauldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gauldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ted

Kal Penn (aka. Kumar) showing up would have been awesome.  As for Sulu, I&#039;m sure people could have chewed them out for specifically finding a Japanese guy for the roll.  I liked the new cast, Simon Pegg like usual is kick ass.  The new Chekov, duno so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ted</p>
<p>Kal Penn (aka. Kumar) showing up would have been awesome.  As for Sulu, I'm sure people could have chewed them out for specifically finding a Japanese guy for the roll.  I liked the new cast, Simon Pegg like usual is kick ass.  The new Chekov, duno so much.</p>
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		<title>By: davey</title>
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		<dc:creator>davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s Korean (even worse for some).  I do agree with the time travel as literary device.  Much like that holodeck - that&#039;s some lazy, lazy writing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He's Korean (even worse for some).  I do agree with the time travel as literary device.  Much like that holodeck - that's some lazy, lazy writing!</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the problem, Johnny Cat. They use it so often, it gets tedious. I loved some of the time travel ones, but that&#039;s what killed the show Enterprise. The best Enterprise episodes were done in the last season, when they just went back to their Star Trek roots.

Compare the film Generations with the current one. There, Picard risks his life and the lives of his crew to save a planet of some anonymous people. They win. Yay!

In the new movie, the idea of killing six billion people, and altering the entire shape of the Star Trek universe - effectively wiping out the entire Star Trek history as you know it - is a backdrop for a cool special effect. Why couldn&#039;t they fix that? Because they want more movies.

I say they&#039;ve strayed from Utopia, where there are happy endings. They even have a Chinese guy playing Mr Sulu. That ranks pretty low on cultural awareness - insert generic Asian actor here (I was waiting for Kumar to show up, by the way - that would have been awesome).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's the problem, Johnny Cat. They use it so often, it gets tedious. I loved some of the time travel ones, but that's what killed the show Enterprise. The best Enterprise episodes were done in the last season, when they just went back to their Star Trek roots.</p>
<p>Compare the film Generations with the current one. There, Picard risks his life and the lives of his crew to save a planet of some anonymous people. They win. Yay!</p>
<p>In the new movie, the idea of killing six billion people, and altering the entire shape of the Star Trek universe - effectively wiping out the entire Star Trek history as you know it - is a backdrop for a cool special effect. Why couldn't they fix that? Because they want more movies.</p>
<p>I say they've strayed from Utopia, where there are happy endings. They even have a Chinese guy playing Mr Sulu. That ranks pretty low on cultural awareness - insert generic Asian actor here (I was waiting for Kumar to show up, by the way - that would have been awesome).</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 01:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: time travel:

It&#039;s been established since TOS that the show falls on the scientific theory of the unknown principle that time travel might be possible, given the right methods.  City on the Edge of Forever, for example.  

And it makes for one helluva deus ex machina in the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: time travel:</p>
<p>It's been established since TOS that the show falls on the scientific theory of the unknown principle that time travel might be possible, given the right methods.  City on the Edge of Forever, for example.  </p>
<p>And it makes for one helluva deus ex machina in the story.</p>
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		<title>By: anonobutts</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonobutts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;middle of the road.
keep in mind that star trek was extremely anti-war and anti-segregation and also featured the first interracial kiss on tv

also keep in mind that it was made in the late 60s

being seriously opposed to segregation on network tv in the late 60s is not middle of the road</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;middle of the road.<br />
keep in mind that star trek was extremely anti-war and anti-segregation and also featured the first interracial kiss on tv</p>
<p>also keep in mind that it was made in the late 60s</p>
<p>being seriously opposed to segregation on network tv in the late 60s is not middle of the road</p>
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		<title>By: Emperor Tomato Catsup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emperor Tomato Catsup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other day, I was wondering if Star Trek becomes more prominent when the general political climate is more liberal and if Star Wars becomes more prominent when the political climate is more conservative.  Of course, there are probably plenty of reasons why this theory may not hold up under close scrutiny, but I find it interesting to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day, I was wondering if Star Trek becomes more prominent when the general political climate is more liberal and if Star Wars becomes more prominent when the political climate is more conservative.  Of course, there are probably plenty of reasons why this theory may not hold up under close scrutiny, but I find it interesting to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: edc2</title>
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		<dc:creator>edc2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 19:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really, a society where they stripped seven of nine of her culture, and where other forms of life like plant and animals are gone, is progressive?

sounds like someone needs an IQ overhaul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really, a society where they stripped seven of nine of her culture, and where other forms of life like plant and animals are gone, is progressive?</p>
<p>sounds like someone needs an IQ overhaul.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that the whole Trek society is warped?</description>
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		<title>By: Chaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know, once the Holodeck is invented mankind will be gone for good, but do i have aproblem with this? No, because i will be having too much fun with Lucy Liu, Julia Roberts and Marily Monroe to care....damn it, i want it now!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know, once the Holodeck is invented mankind will be gone for good, but do i have aproblem with this? No, because i will be having too much fun with Lucy Liu, Julia Roberts and Marily Monroe to care....damn it, i want it now!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Floorman56</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floorman56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a society that has &quot;no war&quot; they sure use the phrase &quot; Fire Torpedoes &quot; a lot 

The main problem with the star trek society is that it goes against human nature Tell me ..if you got free rent, free food, free medical care, free transportation, free holodeck time. would you become a Red Shirt to &quot; better yourself&quot;?  

Or stay on earth and eat steak and lobster between your Roman orgy time in the holodeck?

I think we know the answer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a society that has "no war" they sure use the phrase " Fire Torpedoes " a lot </p>
<p>The main problem with the star trek society is that it goes against human nature Tell me ..if you got free rent, free food, free medical care, free transportation, free holodeck time. would you become a Red Shirt to " better yourself"?  </p>
<p>Or stay on earth and eat steak and lobster between your Roman orgy time in the holodeck?</p>
<p>I think we know the answer</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Star Trek&#039;s original idea was pretty brave, with its multicultural crew.
TNG&#039;s utopia was terribly bland and dull, and didn&#039;t get better until after the first two seasons - when characters began getting more real.

This little &quot;revelation&quot; by Michael Westmoreland-White is nothing anybody else hasn&#039;t said before, and probably better. To say it&#039;s a result of a liberal agenda is kinda laughable.

Oh, and the Star Trek movie was good. I just didn&#039;t like the whole time travel cliche bit. Can we stop doing the time travel? And killing six billion people just for the sake of potentially different future movies? Insulting. What happened to movies with happy endings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star Trek's original idea was pretty brave, with its multicultural crew.<br />
TNG's utopia was terribly bland and dull, and didn't get better until after the first two seasons - when characters began getting more real.</p>
<p>This little "revelation" by Michael Westmoreland-White is nothing anybody else hasn't said before, and probably better. To say it's a result of a liberal agenda is kinda laughable.</p>
<p>Oh, and the Star Trek movie was good. I just didn't like the whole time travel cliche bit. Can we stop doing the time travel? And killing six billion people just for the sake of potentially different future movies? Insulting. What happened to movies with happy endings?</p>
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		<title>By: seefish3</title>
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		<dc:creator>seefish3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, here&#039;s the worst example: Tuvok and Neelix.

I&#039;m Neelix. I consistantly refer to my immmediate superior at work as &quot;Mr. African-American&quot; or &quot;Mr. Homosexual&quot; rather than use his real name, in a sort of jocularly scoffing way.

How long do I get to keep my job? Granted, any conservative starship captain would have spaced Neelix at the earliest opportunity, along with Dr. Smith and Wesley Crusher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, here's the worst example: Tuvok and Neelix.</p>
<p>I'm Neelix. I consistantly refer to my immmediate superior at work as "Mr. African-American" or "Mr. Homosexual" rather than use his real name, in a sort of jocularly scoffing way.</p>
<p>How long do I get to keep my job? Granted, any conservative starship captain would have spaced Neelix at the earliest opportunity, along with Dr. Smith and Wesley Crusher.</p>
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		<title>By: seefish3</title>
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		<dc:creator>seefish3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know , I&#039;ve wanted to bitch about this for years, but your liberal space utopia is ridiculously intolerant of other life styles. By Federation law everyone is equal, but when is a single Vulcan allowed to pursue his beliefs with out constant noodging to become more human?

Spock needled by everyone.
Tuvok urged to lighten up.
Data laughed at for not being &quot;human&quot; enough.
Worf...
Hell, the list&#039;s endless! Most of this crap would be actionable workplace harrassment by today&#039;s standards. &quot;Please conform to our humanity or be ridiculed.&quot;
You&#039;d never hear &quot;C&#039;mon, Space Jew, that pork won&#039;t kill ya...&quot;, but alien cultures are fair game.

Sorry, I love every version of this show, but that&#039;s always gone up my *ss a mile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y'know , I've wanted to bitch about this for years, but your liberal space utopia is ridiculously intolerant of other life styles. By Federation law everyone is equal, but when is a single Vulcan allowed to pursue his beliefs with out constant noodging to become more human?</p>
<p>Spock needled by everyone.<br />
Tuvok urged to lighten up.<br />
Data laughed at for not being "human" enough.<br />
Worf...<br />
Hell, the list's endless! Most of this crap would be actionable workplace harrassment by today's standards. "Please conform to our humanity or be ridiculed."<br />
You'd never hear "C'mon, Space Jew, that pork won't kill ya...", but alien cultures are fair game.</p>
<p>Sorry, I love every version of this show, but that's always gone up my *ss a mile.</p>
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		<title>By: felixthecat</title>
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		<dc:creator>felixthecat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Remember too that, in the ST timeline, the initial progress (warp drive) came about AFTER a decades long global genetic war (remember Khan?), which resulted in a much reduced, and humbled, planetary population.&quot;

I forgot that part. So maybe there is hope for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Remember too that, in the ST timeline, the initial progress (warp drive) came about AFTER a decades long global genetic war (remember Khan?), which resulted in a much reduced, and humbled, planetary population."</p>
<p>I forgot that part. So maybe there is hope for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: davey</title>
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		<dc:creator>davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember too that, in the ST timeline, the initial progress (warp drive) came about AFTER a decades long global genetic war (remember Khan?), which resulted in a much reduced, and humbled, planetary population.

Buckle up, suckers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember too that, in the ST timeline, the initial progress (warp drive) came about AFTER a decades long global genetic war (remember Khan?), which resulted in a much reduced, and humbled, planetary population.</p>
<p>Buckle up, suckers!</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the future will resemble Asimov&#039;s Foundation premise more than Star Trek.  How soon the Empire crumbles is the real question.

btw, The new movie is great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the future will resemble Asimov's Foundation premise more than Star Trek.  How soon the Empire crumbles is the real question.</p>
<p>btw, The new movie is great!</p>
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		<title>By: felixthecat</title>
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		<dc:creator>felixthecat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At current fertility rates, the Earth&#039;s population will be 134 trillion by 2300. More sober projections suggest that the US alone will have over a billion by 2100.

A Star Trek future? I predict either a Soylent Green future, or a Road Warrior one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At current fertility rates, the Earth's population will be 134 trillion by 2300. More sober projections suggest that the US alone will have over a billion by 2100.</p>
<p>A Star Trek future? I predict either a Soylent Green future, or a Road Warrior one.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexTheRobot</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/05/11/star-trek-as-a-liberalprogressive-vision-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1728704</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexTheRobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, not blowing it out of proportion for the sake of it, I just don&#039;t understand why he had to comment at all.  If people want to read the posting of the article as an endorsement of left-wing politics then they will, regardless of disclaimers.

I think John distancing himself from it only made it stick out more that this could be viewed as partisan and - whether the case or not - made it seem like he would disagree with it.  Therefore fail, John.  (I love how you bring in things I never mentioned, like people being immoral - way to go politico)

Would&#039;ve been fine if you&#039;d just posted the darn thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, not blowing it out of proportion for the sake of it, I just don't understand why he had to comment at all.  If people want to read the posting of the article as an endorsement of left-wing politics then they will, regardless of disclaimers.</p>
<p>I think John distancing himself from it only made it stick out more that this could be viewed as partisan and - whether the case or not - made it seem like he would disagree with it.  Therefore fail, John.  (I love how you bring in things I never mentioned, like people being immoral - way to go politico)</p>
<p>Would've been fine if you'd just posted the darn thing.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/05/11/star-trek-as-a-liberalprogressive-vision-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1728695</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AlexTheRobot

It was a pre-emptive effort to avoid accusations of me pushing my politics on Neatorama readers, when it wasn&#039;t.  I think that it&#039;s just a good post, and worth reading.  I don&#039;t view everyone who disagrees with me politically as stupid or immoral, when in fact they&#039;re often insightful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AlexTheRobot</p>
<p>It was a pre-emptive effort to avoid accusations of me pushing my politics on Neatorama readers, when it wasn't.  I think that it's just a good post, and worth reading.  I don't view everyone who disagrees with me politically as stupid or immoral, when in fact they're often insightful.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaL</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/05/11/star-trek-as-a-liberalprogressive-vision-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1728688</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could only wish the Star Trek universe in all of it&#039;s glory was real. No more wars with eachother, no more hunger, everyone happily accepting and living together... 
But it&#039;s never going to happen.
Humans are well... just stupid as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could only wish the Star Trek universe in all of it's glory was real. No more wars with eachother, no more hunger, everyone happily accepting and living together...<br />
But it's never going to happen.<br />
Humans are well... just stupid as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Colt Seaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colt Seaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d argue that economically, at least, Star Trek is right in the middle of the road. Technology, not idealistic crap, is responsible for the good life. Replicators, transporters, and access to infinite resources (of lifeless planets) create a world in which hunger, disease, and landgrabs (and quite possibly religion) are obsolete. 

Technology burgeons in times of strife (see WWII), and sometimes the status quo changes virtually overnight (petroleum replaces whale fat). Who fosters the development of new technology? Greedy capitalists who fund grants and laboratories, using Money, often in the name of defense.

Both the left and right try their best to hobble technology. Those who would have us drive oxcarts and recycle our farts while China builds more coal power plants are as imposing as those who insist on teaching that Christ rode a dinosaur to work every morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd argue that economically, at least, Star Trek is right in the middle of the road. Technology, not idealistic crap, is responsible for the good life. Replicators, transporters, and access to infinite resources (of lifeless planets) create a world in which hunger, disease, and landgrabs (and quite possibly religion) are obsolete. </p>
<p>Technology burgeons in times of strife (see WWII), and sometimes the status quo changes virtually overnight (petroleum replaces whale fat). Who fosters the development of new technology? Greedy capitalists who fund grants and laboratories, using Money, often in the name of defense.</p>
<p>Both the left and right try their best to hobble technology. Those who would have us drive oxcarts and recycle our farts while China builds more coal power plants are as imposing as those who insist on teaching that Christ rode a dinosaur to work every morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Gauldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gauldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AlexTheRobot

What he is trying to say is that it doesn&#039;t matter what his political stance is, what he read from this guys blog he agrees with.  Are you just blowing this out of proportion for the sake of it (because I like doing that from time to time), or are you actually disturbed by this?</description>
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<p>What he is trying to say is that it doesn't matter what his political stance is, what he read from this guys blog he agrees with.  Are you just blowing this out of proportion for the sake of it (because I like doing that from time to time), or are you actually disturbed by this?</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes it all possible, of course, are nearly inexhaustable energy and resources. With those two pressures removed I suspect nearly any political system could do fairly well. Heck, with those advantages even the Klingon approach (generally violent, misogynistic, and tribal) manages to support a vibrant spacefaring civilization. 

One thing that I&#039;ve always liked is Star Trek&#039;s approach to interspecies/inter-racial relations. Listen to Spock and McCoy go at it, or Worf and Riker. Those sorts of racial jokes and sparring are all very un-PC by modern standards, but I think it&#039;s generally a healthy and realistic approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes it all possible, of course, are nearly inexhaustable energy and resources. With those two pressures removed I suspect nearly any political system could do fairly well. Heck, with those advantages even the Klingon approach (generally violent, misogynistic, and tribal) manages to support a vibrant spacefaring civilization. </p>
<p>One thing that I've always liked is Star Trek's approach to interspecies/inter-racial relations. Listen to Spock and McCoy go at it, or Worf and Riker. Those sorts of racial jokes and sparring are all very un-PC by modern standards, but I think it's generally a healthy and realistic approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Gauldar</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/05/11/star-trek-as-a-liberalprogressive-vision-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1728680</link>
		<dc:creator>Gauldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John

Discussing politics, religion or war in general gives a reason for blog commenters to be outraged at the drop of a hat.  Your views are your own, but when discussing these topics you always have to expect someone to come out and point a finger at you yelling &quot;You’re wrong&quot;!  I&#039;ll have to check out the rest of the info from the link later, my work&#039;s network is blocking it.</description>
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<p>Discussing politics, religion or war in general gives a reason for blog commenters to be outraged at the drop of a hat.  Your views are your own, but when discussing these topics you always have to expect someone to come out and point a finger at you yelling "You’re wrong"!  I'll have to check out the rest of the info from the link later, my work's network is blocking it.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexTheRobot</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/05/11/star-trek-as-a-liberalprogressive-vision-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1728676</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexTheRobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John.  But why mention any political position?  I don&#039;t care if you&#039;re a liberal, but I don&#039;t understand why you&#039;d say you weren&#039;t one as some pre-emptive strike.

Progressives move things forward and change things (for good or bad) and conservatives want things to stay the same or move backwards in line with tradition.  If you aren&#039;t conservative or progressive, what are you?  Frozen in time?

Boring fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John.  But why mention any political position?  I don't care if you're a liberal, but I don't understand why you'd say you weren't one as some pre-emptive strike.</p>
<p>Progressives move things forward and change things (for good or bad) and conservatives want things to stay the same or move backwards in line with tradition.  If you aren't conservative or progressive, what are you?  Frozen in time?</p>
<p>Boring fail.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/05/11/star-trek-as-a-liberalprogressive-vision-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1728674</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AlexTheRobot.

Why not just say that I&#039;m a conservative?  Because I&#039;m not a conservative.

And why did I say it in the first place?  Because a few readers are constantly looking for a reason to be outraged at Neatorama, and I didn&#039;t want to give the impression that I&#039;m pushing my politics on readers here.  I&#039;m not.  I think that Westmoreland-White wrote a good post, and that&#039;s why I linked to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AlexTheRobot.</p>
<p>Why not just say that I'm a conservative?  Because I'm not a conservative.</p>
<p>And why did I say it in the first place?  Because a few readers are constantly looking for a reason to be outraged at Neatorama, and I didn't want to give the impression that I'm pushing my politics on readers here.  I'm not.  I think that Westmoreland-White wrote a good post, and that's why I linked to it.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexTheRobot</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/05/11/star-trek-as-a-liberalprogressive-vision-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1728672</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexTheRobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John wrote: &quot;I’m neither liberal or progressive, but I think that he’s right.&quot;

lol - WTF?  First, why say what you aren&#039;t instead of just saying &quot;I&#039;m conservative&quot; or whatever you identify as.  Second, why does it matter what you are to recognize what is in front of you?  I&#039;m not a communist but I know Stalin was.

Too dim, man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John wrote: "I’m neither liberal or progressive, but I think that he’s right."</p>
<p>lol - WTF?  First, why say what you aren't instead of just saying "I'm conservative" or whatever you identify as.  Second, why does it matter what you are to recognize what is in front of you?  I'm not a communist but I know Stalin was.</p>
<p>Too dim, man.</p>
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