Comments on: 10 Examples of Royal Weirdness http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/ The Neat Side of the Web Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:11:57 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Walterweiss http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1828349 Walterweiss Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:29:10 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1828349 http://www.corrispondenti.net/?id=13332 Ai sensi leggi stampa chiediamo la seguente rettifica, in merito articolo su Seborga. Seborga era pertinenza di un bene monastico dinastico del Conte Guido di Ventimiglia, la cui unica ed ultima erede fu Jolanda di Ventimiglia, da cui discende direttamente la principessa Yasmin.Fu concessa in via subordinata in fidecommisso, qualora il conte fosse tornato vivo dalla crociata, ai monaci benedettini di Lèrins, ed in donazione , qualora in crociata fosse perito, essendo lo stesso ancora giovane e privo di prole.La Donazione era condizionata dal rispetto delle clausole comprese nella stessa Fidecommisso che puntualizzava la cura della sepoltura della dinastia Ventimiglia, preci,opere di bene,messe, onoranze, commemorazioni,oltre alla custodia dei beni monastici quali inalienabili ed imprescrittibili legai alla memoria dei Ventimiglia, in perpetuum . Tali condizioni furono disattese,anzi i monaci non ebbero nemmeno la normale vigilanza del bene, assecondando usurpazioni varie,in cambio di prebende, e ai sensi della donazione e ai sensi della fidecommisso. A tal scopo , venute meno le condizioni ,la donazione fu revocata da Jolanda Ventimiglia, che in realta' non si curo' di riappropiarsene materialmete in quanto sposo' un principe curlandese Anglo svevo russo e lasciata in fidecommisso. E' per questo motivo che non cambio' mai proprieta' e all'Italia non fu possibile la trascrizione,in quanto i beni monastici dinastici,non sono usocapionabili e Seborga con tutte le sue pertinenze restano in perpetuum patrimonio dei discendenti di Guido Ventimiglia, ossia di Jolanda Ventimiglia.Cio' spiega perche' persino al Podesta' e allo stesso Mussolini non fu possibile l'attribuzione all'Italia del bene, poiche'non sono usocapionabili i beni monastici,anche se occupati.Se e' rimasta , per mero gentleemnet agreement , bene dello stato italiano e' per gentile concessione dei legittimi discendenti di Jolanda Ventimiglia.Pertanto sono prive di fondamento giuridico successive spiegazioni di ordine esoterico cavalleresco storico, in quanto non cambiano la sostanza del diritto secondo il principio del "Prior in tempore, Potior in iure", a maggior ragione trattandosi di bene monastico dinastico su cui non vige l'uso capione. Le dichiarazioni e manifestazioni di protervia da parte di una decina di autoproclamatesi reggenti e proprietari di Seborga, sono atto di arbitrio ed appropriazione indebita di proprieta' privata, che se tollerata,qualora degradi a mero insulto e protervia offensiva e' perseguibile per legge, quale atto di indimidazione e minaccia , nonchè stalking diffamatorio per abietti motivi, cosa che non esiteremo ad affrontare con drastiche soluzioni.Ad oggi sussiste la proprieta' privata di Seborga e pertinenze da parte dei legittimi eredi, anche se la Fidecommisso e' stata ratificata a favore dello Stato Italiano.Cio' e' accaduto per l'impossibilita'di un dialogo con gli autoproclamatesi reggenti di Seborga,i quali nonostante tollerati sono ricorsi all'insulto e alla diffamazione.Persone venuti dal nulla , reclamano cio'che appartiene alla legittima proprieta' che dovrebbe anche subire lezioni dai funghi spuntati in una notte? (prof Walter Weiss) http://www.corrispondenti.net/?id=13332
Ai sensi leggi stampa chiediamo la seguente rettifica, in merito articolo su Seborga.

Seborga era pertinenza di un bene monastico dinastico del Conte Guido di Ventimiglia, la cui unica ed ultima erede fu Jolanda di Ventimiglia, da cui discende direttamente la principessa Yasmin.Fu concessa in via subordinata in fidecommisso, qualora il conte fosse tornato vivo dalla crociata, ai monaci benedettini di Lèrins, ed in donazione , qualora in crociata fosse perito, essendo lo stesso ancora giovane e privo di prole.La Donazione era condizionata dal rispetto delle clausole comprese nella stessa Fidecommisso che puntualizzava la cura della sepoltura della dinastia Ventimiglia, preci,opere di bene,messe, onoranze, commemorazioni,oltre alla custodia dei beni monastici quali inalienabili ed imprescrittibili legai alla memoria dei Ventimiglia, in perpetuum . Tali condizioni furono disattese,anzi i monaci non ebbero nemmeno la normale vigilanza del bene, assecondando usurpazioni varie,in cambio di prebende, e ai sensi della donazione e ai sensi della fidecommisso. A tal scopo , venute meno le condizioni ,la donazione fu revocata da Jolanda Ventimiglia, che in realta' non si curo' di riappropiarsene materialmete in quanto sposo' un principe curlandese Anglo svevo russo e lasciata in fidecommisso. E' per questo motivo che non cambio' mai proprieta' e all'Italia non fu possibile la trascrizione,in quanto i beni monastici dinastici,non sono usocapionabili e Seborga con tutte le sue pertinenze restano in perpetuum patrimonio dei discendenti di Guido Ventimiglia, ossia di Jolanda Ventimiglia.Cio' spiega perche' persino al Podesta' e allo stesso Mussolini non fu possibile l'attribuzione all'Italia del bene, poiche'non sono usocapionabili i beni monastici,anche se occupati.Se e' rimasta , per mero gentleemnet agreement , bene dello stato italiano e' per gentile concessione dei legittimi discendenti di Jolanda Ventimiglia.Pertanto sono prive di fondamento giuridico successive spiegazioni di ordine esoterico cavalleresco storico, in quanto non cambiano la sostanza del diritto secondo il principio del "Prior in tempore, Potior in iure", a maggior ragione trattandosi di bene monastico dinastico su cui non vige l'uso capione. Le dichiarazioni e manifestazioni di protervia da parte di una decina di autoproclamatesi reggenti e proprietari di Seborga, sono atto di arbitrio ed appropriazione indebita di proprieta' privata, che se tollerata,qualora degradi a mero insulto e protervia offensiva e' perseguibile per legge, quale atto di indimidazione e minaccia , nonchè stalking diffamatorio per abietti motivi, cosa che non esiteremo ad affrontare con drastiche soluzioni.Ad oggi sussiste la proprieta' privata di Seborga e pertinenze da parte dei legittimi eredi, anche se la Fidecommisso e' stata ratificata a favore dello Stato Italiano.Cio' e' accaduto per l'impossibilita'di un dialogo con gli autoproclamatesi reggenti di Seborga,i quali nonostante tollerati sono ricorsi all'insulto e alla diffamazione.Persone venuti dal nulla , reclamano cio'che appartiene alla legittima proprieta' che dovrebbe anche subire lezioni dai funghi spuntati in una notte? (prof Walter Weiss)

]]> By: Seborganelmondo http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1825834 Seborganelmondo Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:22:27 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1825834 Seborga e le sue pertinenze erano bene monastico dinastico di Guido Ventimiglia, antenato della principessa Jasmine von Hohenstaufen .Legittima erede di tali bene e' la principessa Yasmin ed in mancanza il ramo collaterale del Principe Alduino di Ventimiglia.Guido Ventimiglia puntualizzo'nella donnazione condizioni irrinunciabili disattese dai monaci di Lèrins. La Dinastia di Guido di Ventimiglia cui dinastia si e' estinta nel pronipote Guglielmo,Abbate , la cui sorella contessa Jolanda Ventimiglia ha sposato Avril de Burey Anjou de Saint Genis de Hohenstaufen ,pronipote Federico II ed Isabella d'Inghilterra .Jolanda Ventimiglia Lascaris aveva revocato la donazione ai monaci benedettini per non aver rispettato le condizioni della donazione stessa, affidandola in Fidecommisso ai detentori. La Fidecommisso non e' una cessione definitiva e pertanto in qualsiasi momento i legittimi discendenti veri proprietari, possono decidere sul destino dei beni stessi.La concessione allo Stato Italiano e' solo un atto di Fidecommissio della Principessa Yasmin, poichè Seborga ed annessi essendo beni monastici dinastici non sono soggetti ad uso capione. Seborga e le sue pertinenze erano bene monastico dinastico di Guido Ventimiglia, antenato della principessa Jasmine von Hohenstaufen .Legittima erede di tali bene e' la principessa Yasmin ed in mancanza il ramo collaterale del Principe Alduino di Ventimiglia.Guido Ventimiglia puntualizzo'nella donnazione condizioni irrinunciabili disattese dai monaci di Lèrins. La Dinastia di Guido di Ventimiglia cui dinastia si e' estinta nel pronipote Guglielmo,Abbate , la cui sorella contessa Jolanda Ventimiglia ha sposato Avril de Burey Anjou de Saint Genis de Hohenstaufen ,pronipote Federico II ed Isabella d'Inghilterra .Jolanda Ventimiglia Lascaris aveva revocato la donazione ai monaci benedettini per non aver rispettato le condizioni della donazione stessa, affidandola in Fidecommisso ai detentori. La Fidecommisso non e' una cessione definitiva e pertanto in qualsiasi momento i legittimi discendenti veri proprietari, possono decidere sul destino dei beni stessi.La concessione allo Stato Italiano e' solo un atto di Fidecommissio della Principessa Yasmin, poichè Seborga ed annessi essendo beni monastici dinastici non sono soggetti ad uso capione.

]]> By: penfold http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1746414 penfold Sat, 23 May 2009 14:41:02 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1746414 nice post. I would add that the great tradition of insane royals is still alive and well, the UK's Prince Philip (husband of Queen Elizabeth II) is known for is somewhat peculiar world view (and unfortunate lack of restraint in expressing it). Some of his better known 'gaffes' can be found here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1848553.stm I reckon its the sad inevitability of interbreading... nice post. I would add that the great tradition of insane royals is still alive and well, the UK's Prince Philip (husband of Queen Elizabeth II) is known for is somewhat peculiar world view (and unfortunate lack of restraint in expressing it). Some of his better known 'gaffes' can be found here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1848553.stm

I reckon its the sad inevitability of interbreading...

]]> By: Edith G http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1647073 Edith G Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:33:10 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1647073 Gauldar, well said. these people need to get over themselves for correcting typos. the article was very fasinating. enough said. Gauldar,
well said. these people need to get over themselves for correcting typos. the article was very fasinating. enough said.

]]> By: Jill Harness http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1646674 Jill Harness Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:17:41 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1646674 Nisse, collecting urine may have been common practice, but that doesn't mean that most kingdoms were required to save theirs and turn it in daily. As far as the queen, there are many cases where executioners messed up, but not where the victim's lips kept moving. Additionally, dogs rarely turned up from under a woman's skirts and he wasn't licking or eating. He was merely laying between his master's head and body. Nisse, collecting urine may have been common practice, but that doesn't mean that most kingdoms were required to save theirs and turn it in daily.
As far as the queen, there are many cases where executioners messed up, but not where the victim's lips kept moving. Additionally, dogs rarely turned up from under a woman's skirts and he wasn't licking or eating. He was merely laying between his master's head and body.

]]> By: Television Spy http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1646608 Television Spy Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:56:45 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1646608 My favorite was the Cucumber King. My favorite was the Cucumber King.

]]> By: Nisse http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1645920 Nisse Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:11:28 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1645920 Collecting urine has been common practice in most countries all over the world throughout history. It was used to make leather from skin, and later to make gunpowder. There is nothing special about Charles I order. Many people cut their hair short becouse of head lice, and using wigs or hats on top. There are many cases of executioners missing with the axe. Dogs like meat and blood. Your story of Queen Marys so called Ghastly Death has nothing special. You failed misserably on those two and since you clearly didnt check those facts, I question the the rest as well. Collecting urine has been common practice in most countries all over the world throughout history. It was used to make leather from skin, and later to make gunpowder. There is nothing special about Charles I order.

Many people cut their hair short becouse of head lice, and using wigs or hats on top. There are many cases of executioners missing with the axe. Dogs like meat and blood. Your story of Queen Marys so called Ghastly Death has nothing special.

You failed misserably on those two and since you clearly didnt check those facts, I question the the rest as well.

]]> By: Yottskry http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1645326 Yottskry Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:01:04 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1645326 Charles I's divine right to all animal dung and urine, etc, really isn't that odd when you consider: 1. He wanted it to make gunpowder, and 2. England has been at war with someone (including itself) for pretty much the last 1000 years! Charles I's divine right to all animal dung and urine, etc, really isn't that odd when you consider:

1. He wanted it to make gunpowder, and
2. England has been at war with someone (including itself) for pretty much the last 1000 years!

]]> By: Ali S. http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1644239 Ali S. Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:55:55 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1644239 Man, I could not imagine having to have an audience with the king when he's having an enema done right there. Blech! Man, I could not imagine having to have an audience with the king when he's having an enema done right there. Blech!

]]> By: Leandro Toledo http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643943 Leandro Toledo Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:46:09 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643943 Cool! Keep on with posts like this! Cheers Cool!
Keep on with posts like this!
Cheers

]]> By: Jill Harness http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643414 Jill Harness Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:01:50 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643414 Kriss, I changed the spelling mistake, but this territory was also referred to as Nouvelle France. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araucania_and_Patagonia Kriss, I changed the spelling mistake, but this territory was also referred to as Nouvelle France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araucania_and_Patagonia

]]> By: Kriss http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643403 Kriss Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:49:43 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643403 Interesting list... but there are a few major errors. Nouvelle-France is a term for France's (North?) American possessions: i.e. Acadia through Louisiana, surrouding the early British colonies. No link to the mad King. And as Alejandro Claude mentionned the name of de Tounens kingdom was "Araucanìa and Patagonia". Interesting list... but there are a few major errors.

Nouvelle-France is a term for France's (North?) American possessions: i.e. Acadia through Louisiana, surrouding the early British colonies. No link to the mad King.

And as Alejandro Claude mentionned the name of de Tounens kingdom was "Araucanìa and Patagonia".

]]> By: I C Weird http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643354 I C Weird Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:04:58 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643354 @ Gauldar The 'i' is Royal as in ... Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! The Royal We. @ Gauldar

The 'i' is Royal as in ...

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

The Royal We.

]]> By: Ajan http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643313 Ajan Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:11:23 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643313 This article is wonderful.. BTW,they really really kissed her? This article is wonderful..
BTW,they really really kissed her?

]]> By: error404 http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643214 error404 Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:04:30 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643214 The very notion of Royalty is Weird. The very notion of Royalty is Weird.

]]> By: Alex http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643210 Alex Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:54:43 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643210 Heck, I read this thing over like twice and didn't catch all those things zav and sadtomato caught. Oh well, it's still neat. Will go fixed the tpyos now!!1! Heck, I read this thing over like twice and didn't catch all those things zav and sadtomato caught. Oh well, it's still neat.

Will go fixed the tpyos now!!1!

]]> By: sadtomato http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643200 sadtomato Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:50:35 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643200 You make a fair point, Gauldar. After I submitted my spelling comment I thought I should have also said that I enjoyed the article. I love reading about crazy folks... makes me seem a little more sane. You make a fair point, Gauldar. After I submitted my spelling comment I thought I should have also said that I enjoyed the article. I love reading about crazy folks... makes me seem a little more sane.

]]> By: Gauldar http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643187 Gauldar Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:25:37 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643187 I'm curious about all these comments regarding grammatical errors and not about the content itself. I read through this article and don't even notice the errors, and understand the topics in the article just fine. Do you have difficulty reading if there are minor errors in the post, or are you just entirely absorbed with the errors that you can't focus on what’s being said at all? I’m sure she just uses a spellchecker to make sure there aren’t any typos, and it we all know those can’t find everything without proofreading... but if you’re not getting paid for this type of work and it’s not being graded on, why the hell bother? I'm curious about all these comments regarding grammatical errors and not about the content itself. I read through this article and don't even notice the errors, and understand the topics in the article just fine. Do you have difficulty reading if there are minor errors in the post, or are you just entirely absorbed with the errors that you can't focus on what’s being said at all?

I’m sure she just uses a spellchecker to make sure there aren’t any typos, and it we all know those can’t find everything without proofreading... but if you’re not getting paid for this type of work and it’s not being graded on, why the hell bother?

]]> By: sadtomato http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643153 sadtomato Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:18:14 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643153 "A Dead WomAn Crowned Queen" Not women. "A Dead WomAn Crowned Queen" Not women.

]]> By: Alejandro Claude http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643152 Alejandro Claude Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:17:32 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643152 "Kingdom of Arcuania and Pantagonia" actually is Kingdom of Araucanía and Patagonia. If you can´t even get the names straight, I wonder about the quality and thoroughness of this article.... "Kingdom of Arcuania and Pantagonia" actually is Kingdom of Araucanía and Patagonia. If you can´t even get the names straight, I wonder about the quality and thoroughness of this article....

]]> By: Sue Dunham http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643113 Sue Dunham Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:09:45 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643113 The Kingdom of Sarawak, on the island of Borneo, was founded by James Brooke and ruled by him and his heirs from 1841 to 1946. The Kingdom of Sarawak, on the island of Borneo, was founded by James Brooke and ruled by him and his heirs from 1841 to 1946.

]]> By: Gauldar http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643107 Gauldar Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:01:10 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643107 @zav Shh... it's a silent 'i'. @zav

Shh... it's a silent 'i'.

]]> By: zav http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643106 zav Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:57:44 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643106 "In 931, Kinig Theinhko of Burma". I think you mean King Theinhko, not Kinig. "In 931, Kinig Theinhko of Burma".

I think you mean King Theinhko, not Kinig.

]]> By: Gauldar http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643105 Gauldar Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:54:01 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643105 I'd like to add 'Mad King' Ludwig to the list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_II_of_Bavaria He commissioned the construction of various palaces and the castle Neuschwanstein. Some of them unfinished due to him plunging himself and his family into debt with the production of them, and although his death was declared a suicide, it's believed that his family may have killed him. I'd like to add 'Mad King' Ludwig to the list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_II_of_Bavaria

He commissioned the construction of various palaces and the castle Neuschwanstein. Some of them unfinished due to him plunging himself and his family into debt with the production of them, and although his death was declared a suicide, it's believed that his family may have killed him.

]]> By: Evilbeagle http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643096 Evilbeagle Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:33:53 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643096 Very entertaining post! Very entertaining post!

]]> By: NM.pt http://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/13/10-examples-of-royal-weirdness/comment-page-1/#comment-1643089 NM.pt Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:17:59 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=23736#comment-1643089 I'm portuguese so I'm glad to see Inês de Castro's story there. The mithology of that love is something that we are very proud... It's like having a real life Romeo & Juliet with a bit of royal family drama to spice things up. Further notes on this story... Legend has it Pedro ordered the two executers he caught to be tortured in front of him as he feasted. One had his heart ripped from the front and the other from the back. Yikes... The third guy was never caught and supposedly fled to France. Reports say he was forgiven by the king in his death bed. Another curiosity, a very important one, they are buried in the same cemitery with their graves pointing at each other. Aparently to make them able to look at each other's eyes when judgment day arrives. I'm portuguese so I'm glad to see Inês de Castro's story there. The mithology of that love is something that we are very proud... It's like having a real life Romeo & Juliet with a bit of royal family drama to spice things up.

Further notes on this story... Legend has it Pedro ordered the two executers he caught to be tortured in front of him as he feasted. One had his heart ripped from the front and the other from the back. Yikes... The third guy was never caught and supposedly fled to France. Reports say he was forgiven by the king in his death bed.

Another curiosity, a very important one, they are buried in the same cemitery with their graves pointing at each other. Aparently to make them able to look at each other's eyes when judgment day arrives.

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