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	<title>Comments on: Even More of the Most Dangerous Roads</title>
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		<title>By: Adam Stanhope</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/01/12/even-more-of-the-most-dangerous-roads/comment-page-1/#comment-1377434</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Stanhope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What they do, SenorMysterioso, is run traffic through in several-hours-long shifts coordinated and operated by the military.  You basically are forced into a military caravan consisting of mostly military vehicles plus a handful of trucks carrying cargo and maybe a bus or two.

They have massive staging areas where the caravans wait, and when the time is right they let one caravan go in one direction, etc.

I have some amazing photos - unfortunately they are slides, not prints - of our vehicle getting stuck against a random military vehicle that was traveling in the other direction outside of a caravan.  The photo is of a crowd of us - soldiers and the passengers in my car - pulling/pushing against our respective vehicles in order to get them &quot;unstuck&quot; from one another - with the 18 switchback valley in the background below us.

Scary, wonderful shit for me back then when I was just 18.  I&#039;m not sure that I&#039;d do it again now.  hehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What they do, SenorMysterioso, is run traffic through in several-hours-long shifts coordinated and operated by the military.  You basically are forced into a military caravan consisting of mostly military vehicles plus a handful of trucks carrying cargo and maybe a bus or two.</p>
<p>They have massive staging areas where the caravans wait, and when the time is right they let one caravan go in one direction, etc.</p>
<p>I have some amazing photos - unfortunately they are slides, not prints - of our vehicle getting stuck against a random military vehicle that was traveling in the other direction outside of a caravan.  The photo is of a crowd of us - soldiers and the passengers in my car - pulling/pushing against our respective vehicles in order to get them "unstuck" from one another - with the 18 switchback valley in the background below us.</p>
<p>Scary, wonderful shit for me back then when I was just 18.  I'm not sure that I'd do it again now.  hehe.</p>
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		<title>By: SenorMysterioso</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/01/12/even-more-of-the-most-dangerous-roads/comment-page-1/#comment-1375003</link>
		<dc:creator>SenorMysterioso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When two cars meet, one going up and the other down, who has to back up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When two cars meet, one going up and the other down, who has to back up?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Stanhope</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/01/12/even-more-of-the-most-dangerous-roads/comment-page-1/#comment-1374900</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Stanhope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took the Himalayan road from Srinigar, Jammu &amp; Kashmir Province (India) to Leh, Ladakh (and back!) via the town of Kargil in 1988.  Kargil has since been destroyed in fighting between the Indian and Pakistani armed forces.

I&#039;ve always thought this to be the most dangerous road in the world.  I once counted 18 switchbacks below me as I looked out over the edge of one guardrail-free, single-vehicle-width cliff.  I can&#039;t imagine that it has changed much in the 20 years that have passed since I was there, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the Himalayan road from Srinigar, Jammu &#038; Kashmir Province (India) to Leh, Ladakh (and back!) via the town of Kargil in 1988.  Kargil has since been destroyed in fighting between the Indian and Pakistani armed forces.</p>
<p>I've always thought this to be the most dangerous road in the world.  I once counted 18 switchbacks below me as I looked out over the edge of one guardrail-free, single-vehicle-width cliff.  I can't imagine that it has changed much in the 20 years that have passed since I was there, either.</p>
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		<title>By: SenorMysterioso</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/01/12/even-more-of-the-most-dangerous-roads/comment-page-1/#comment-1374754</link>
		<dc:creator>SenorMysterioso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad used to take me on some gnarly mountain roads as a kid and I always seemed to be on the side of the car that had the horrible view off the side of the mountain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad used to take me on some gnarly mountain roads as a kid and I always seemed to be on the side of the car that had the horrible view off the side of the mountain.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulVI</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulVI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My aunt lives on Commonwealth Avenue in Quezon City (Philippines).  To use mass transport on the other side of the street, you have to cross 4 to 5 lanes of 50-60 mph traffic to get to the median, and 4 more to get all the way across.  I say &quot;4 to 5&quot; because lane stripes seem to be mere suggestions; drivers will create their own lanes as they feel necessary to get around other vehicles in order to maintain their own speed.

Traffic is a major problem in metro-Manila.  Because of this, Commonwealth was turned into a &quot;through-way&quot; --- stop lights were eliminated.  Left turns are done at makeshift U-turn points, jerry-rigged with concrete dividers and steel fences.  Ugly and self-defeating, perhaps.

Just a few years ago, the QC gov&#039;t installed footbridges on Commonwealth, 2 flights up and over all the traffic.  But you have to trek down the road a piece to get to one, depending on where you live.  And when the summer heat is sweltering, the crossing will get you sweaty and tired.  People still try their luck on the ground-level crossing if they feel that it&#039;s a bridge, uh, too far.

Speaking of using mass transit:  There are no sidewalks on Commonwealth in some areas.  Groups of people will congregate here and there at edge of the driving surface, trying to flag down a taxi (usually a Sentra or a Corolla, but also some mini-van sized vehicles).  There have been some occurrences of vehicle-versus-pedestrian fatalities, more often at dusk.  One newspaper reported a bystander describing the victims as &quot;going down like bowling pins.&quot;

Green note: medians in other areas of QC had trees, planted during a &quot;green&quot; fad.  When the QC gov&#039;t decided that more lanes were better than more trees, they reversed their effort and removed the medians, along with the trees.  I believe that the traffic problem persisted, but without the trees and grass in and along the street, a new problem cropped up: dust. Take a walk down Commonwealth or Katipunan Ave, then wipe a washcloth behind your ears or neck and see that part of the &#039;street&#039; has collected there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My aunt lives on Commonwealth Avenue in Quezon City (Philippines).  To use mass transport on the other side of the street, you have to cross 4 to 5 lanes of 50-60 mph traffic to get to the median, and 4 more to get all the way across.  I say "4 to 5" because lane stripes seem to be mere suggestions; drivers will create their own lanes as they feel necessary to get around other vehicles in order to maintain their own speed.</p>
<p>Traffic is a major problem in metro-Manila.  Because of this, Commonwealth was turned into a "through-way" --- stop lights were eliminated.  Left turns are done at makeshift U-turn points, jerry-rigged with concrete dividers and steel fences.  Ugly and self-defeating, perhaps.</p>
<p>Just a few years ago, the QC gov't installed footbridges on Commonwealth, 2 flights up and over all the traffic.  But you have to trek down the road a piece to get to one, depending on where you live.  And when the summer heat is sweltering, the crossing will get you sweaty and tired.  People still try their luck on the ground-level crossing if they feel that it's a bridge, uh, too far.</p>
<p>Speaking of using mass transit:  There are no sidewalks on Commonwealth in some areas.  Groups of people will congregate here and there at edge of the driving surface, trying to flag down a taxi (usually a Sentra or a Corolla, but also some mini-van sized vehicles).  There have been some occurrences of vehicle-versus-pedestrian fatalities, more often at dusk.  One newspaper reported a bystander describing the victims as "going down like bowling pins."</p>
<p>Green note: medians in other areas of QC had trees, planted during a "green" fad.  When the QC gov't decided that more lanes were better than more trees, they reversed their effort and removed the medians, along with the trees.  I believe that the traffic problem persisted, but without the trees and grass in and along the street, a new problem cropped up: dust. Take a walk down Commonwealth or Katipunan Ave, then wipe a washcloth behind your ears or neck and see that part of the 'street' has collected there.</p>
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		<title>By: Frau</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2009/01/12/even-more-of-the-most-dangerous-roads/comment-page-1/#comment-1374596</link>
		<dc:creator>Frau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to say the road to Baguio is probably one of the more &quot;pray to every diety that you know&quot; inducing roads. (it is in part three of that series)
Especially because there are still drivers who pass on blind corners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to say the road to Baguio is probably one of the more "pray to every diety that you know" inducing roads. (it is in part three of that series)<br />
Especially because there are still drivers who pass on blind corners.</p>
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