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	<title>Comments on: 10 Things You Didn&#039;t Know About General Motors</title>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not spend one dime to make GH fat cats fatter. They may have gotten better at building cars but they are terrible at running their business. If I were terrible at running my businss I would go under. An executives pay should come out of profits, no profit, no pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not spend one dime to make GH fat cats fatter. They may have gotten better at building cars but they are terrible at running their business. If I were terrible at running my businss I would go under. An executives pay should come out of profits, no profit, no pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Lobdell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Lobdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for GM for five years back in the 70s.  I saw a great deal of what is happening now beginning.  I even tried to tell them but, they were not interested.  Some might wonder if building vechicles for the enemy in World War II is coming back to haunt them.  Carma Dude!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for GM for five years back in the 70s.  I saw a great deal of what is happening now beginning.  I even tried to tell them but, they were not interested.  Some might wonder if building vechicles for the enemy in World War II is coming back to haunt them.  Carma Dude!</p>
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		<title>By: Pazia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pazia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. A good man would prefer to be defeated than to defeat injustice by evil means.
I am from Namibia and now teach English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: &quot;Review change of airline tickets with this airline, you will have to purchase new tickets.&quot;

Regards :( Pazia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. A good man would prefer to be defeated than to defeat injustice by evil means.<br />
I am from Namibia and now teach English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "Review change of airline tickets with this airline, you will have to purchase new tickets."</p>
<p>Regards <img src='http://www.neatorama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  Pazia.</p>
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		<title>By: Salva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system</description>
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		<title>By: timnw</title>
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		<dc:creator>timnw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your &quot;correction&quot; of the average hourly rate for auto workers is still *very* misleading.

That 75 dollar number is derived by fuzzy math as follows

Current work wages + current worker benefits + all the costs of retired workers, divided *only* by the number of active workers = 75 dollars.

Retired workers outnumber active something in the order of 2 to 1 or 3 to 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your "correction" of the average hourly rate for auto workers is still *very* misleading.</p>
<p>That 75 dollar number is derived by fuzzy math as follows</p>
<p>Current work wages + current worker benefits + all the costs of retired workers, divided *only* by the number of active workers = 75 dollars.</p>
<p>Retired workers outnumber active something in the order of 2 to 1 or 3 to 1.</p>
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		<title>By: JRex778</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRex778</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The roots of General Motors do indeed go deeper. J. B. Armstrong Co, LTD, of Guelph, Ontario, founded in 1835, was a maker of sleighs, buggies, and other horse drawn vehicles and renowned for the excellent quality of their products.

At the turn of the century, they relocated their headquarters to Dearborn, Michigan and were either absorbed by or evolved into General Motors Corporation.

In 1970, to be specific, possibly at other times, GM was not only the largest employer of citizens in the United States, but also the entire world.

Source: Guelph Public Library Archives; December 1970.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The roots of General Motors do indeed go deeper. J. B. Armstrong Co, LTD, of Guelph, Ontario, founded in 1835, was a maker of sleighs, buggies, and other horse drawn vehicles and renowned for the excellent quality of their products.</p>
<p>At the turn of the century, they relocated their headquarters to Dearborn, Michigan and were either absorbed by or evolved into General Motors Corporation.</p>
<p>In 1970, to be specific, possibly at other times, GM was not only the largest employer of citizens in the United States, but also the entire world.</p>
<p>Source: Guelph Public Library Archives; December 1970.</p>
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		<title>By: monts</title>
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		<dc:creator>monts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor nitpick: Jensen had ABS on their production Interceptors in the mid-late 60s (using a Dunlop-Maxaret setup, developed from an aircraft system). 

I&#039;m not sure about the the turn signal &#039;first&#039;, either - Mechanical ones had been around since 1900 or so, and were often integrated into the car body (so presumably were standard equipment). &quot;First all-electric turn signals&quot;, maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor nitpick: Jensen had ABS on their production Interceptors in the mid-late 60s (using a Dunlop-Maxaret setup, developed from an aircraft system). </p>
<p>I'm not sure about the the turn signal 'first', either - Mechanical ones had been around since 1900 or so, and were often integrated into the car body (so presumably were standard equipment). "First all-electric turn signals", maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: aratuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>aratuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So their most recent &quot;first&quot; was in 1972? Even the (more) positive note to end on doesn&#039;t bode well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So their most recent "first" was in 1972? Even the (more) positive note to end on doesn't bode well.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Rook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky Rook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now we will see GM die in our lifetime.</description>
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		<title>By: wheatchex</title>
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		<dc:creator>wheatchex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The electronic FI developed by Chrysler in the 50&#039;s was not all that great and had a lot of reliability issues.  Those that bought a car with it in it typically had the FI removed and replaced with the typical carb set up.  The next production electronic FI system produced by an american car company was used on the Cosworth Vega in 1975 and 1976.  I think it may also have been used on the Toronado.  Bendix and GM jointly developed the electronic FI for the Cosworth Vega.

Cosworth Vega:  http://www.cosworthvega.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The electronic FI developed by Chrysler in the 50's was not all that great and had a lot of reliability issues.  Those that bought a car with it in it typically had the FI removed and replaced with the typical carb set up.  The next production electronic FI system produced by an american car company was used on the Cosworth Vega in 1975 and 1976.  I think it may also have been used on the Toronado.  Bendix and GM jointly developed the electronic FI for the Cosworth Vega.</p>
<p>Cosworth Vega:  <a href="http://www.cosworthvega.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cosworthvega.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: kewkew</title>
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		<dc:creator>kewkew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are completely ignoring the main reason for the current crisis. It&#039;s not mismanagement from the auto execs, it&#039;s the current loss of consumer confidence and the freezing of the credit markets. Neither of which the auto companies had control over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are completely ignoring the main reason for the current crisis. It's not mismanagement from the auto execs, it's the current loss of consumer confidence and the freezing of the credit markets. Neither of which the auto companies had control over.</p>
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		<title>By: renderanything</title>
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		<dc:creator>renderanything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and @ shawnisboring, no, the truck Indy was drug behind was a Mercedes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and @ shawnisboring, no, the truck Indy was drug behind was a Mercedes.</p>
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		<title>By: renderanything</title>
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		<dc:creator>renderanything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Phil on the EFI comment.  Maybe they meant 1958 instead of 1978, because even Japanese cars like the Datsun 280Z had fuel electronically controlled Bosch L-Tronic Fuel injection in 1975.
I didn&#039;t know that the fender fell off of one of the lunar rovers though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Phil on the EFI comment.  Maybe they meant 1958 instead of 1978, because even Japanese cars like the Datsun 280Z had fuel electronically controlled Bosch L-Tronic Fuel injection in 1975.<br />
I didn't know that the fender fell off of one of the lunar rovers though.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the picture that is with #8, the first open window it looks like a face in the upper left coner... pretty neat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the picture that is with #8, the first open window it looks like a face in the upper left coner... pretty neat.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If you don’t like the Unions then manage the situation, make them see that absenteeism will result in firings.&lt;/em&gt;

Unfortunately, it&#039;s next to impossible to fire someone who is in the union.

The management does deserve a large part of the blame, but the union basically acts like a dead weight on the company. When the times are good, like when GM had 40% market share of the automobile market, then having unionized labor wasn&#039;t such a big deal. 10% of your labor force didn&#039;t bother to show up? Just add an extra pool of labor.

But when times are bad, well... you see what happens to GM. The legacy cost alone is enough to hobble the company in the marketplace. Add on top of that the inflexibility and absenteeism.

The union is doing its job: it&#039;s trying to secure the best deal possible for its workers, but they&#039;re doing that at the expense of the company&#039;s well-being. Ultimately, both the fat cat management and the union will drive GM into oblivion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If you don’t like the Unions then manage the situation, make them see that absenteeism will result in firings.</em></p>
<p>Unfortunately, it's next to impossible to fire someone who is in the union.</p>
<p>The management does deserve a large part of the blame, but the union basically acts like a dead weight on the company. When the times are good, like when GM had 40% market share of the automobile market, then having unionized labor wasn't such a big deal. 10% of your labor force didn't bother to show up? Just add an extra pool of labor.</p>
<p>But when times are bad, well... you see what happens to GM. The legacy cost alone is enough to hobble the company in the marketplace. Add on top of that the inflexibility and absenteeism.</p>
<p>The union is doing its job: it's trying to secure the best deal possible for its workers, but they're doing that at the expense of the company's well-being. Ultimately, both the fat cat management and the union will drive GM into oblivion.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh,

I think you are right. I never felt more oppressed than when I had to go in for emergency surgery. 

My self-employed father also felt the sting of the government jackboot when he required specialized neurosurgery.

We&#039;d have been much better off without coverage or paying a private insurer.

Truth is: when it comes to our &#039;socialized&#039; medical program, I pay my taxes with pride. 

Nic M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh,</p>
<p>I think you are right. I never felt more oppressed than when I had to go in for emergency surgery. </p>
<p>My self-employed father also felt the sting of the government jackboot when he required specialized neurosurgery.</p>
<p>We'd have been much better off without coverage or paying a private insurer.</p>
<p>Truth is: when it comes to our 'socialized' medical program, I pay my taxes with pride. </p>
<p>Nic M.</p>
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		<title>By: Pol x</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pol x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sigh

Why is it that acting as a collective to get the best deal is so beyond the pale for you and your like minded fellows?

If you go to buy a washing machine, your leverage on the price is slight to none. If you and 30 friends all go to buy 30 washing machines your leverage on the price is a hell of a lot better.

Now if everyone puts a little bit into the socialised medecine pot then they have a lot of buying power, a lot more than if you attempt to buy health care individually.

You see you  and yours are actually making the price of health care higher by allowing the insurance companies to divide and concquer.

Sorry but the insular  me first and f*ck everyone else attitude does you no favours, divides you and your fellow citizens and makes insurance comapnies rich.

You don&#039;t want your taxes to go up? Push for socialised medecine,it is cheaper.

It is also the morally right thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sigh</p>
<p>Why is it that acting as a collective to get the best deal is so beyond the pale for you and your like minded fellows?</p>
<p>If you go to buy a washing machine, your leverage on the price is slight to none. If you and 30 friends all go to buy 30 washing machines your leverage on the price is a hell of a lot better.</p>
<p>Now if everyone puts a little bit into the socialised medecine pot then they have a lot of buying power, a lot more than if you attempt to buy health care individually.</p>
<p>You see you  and yours are actually making the price of health care higher by allowing the insurance companies to divide and concquer.</p>
<p>Sorry but the insular  me first and f*ck everyone else attitude does you no favours, divides you and your fellow citizens and makes insurance comapnies rich.</p>
<p>You don't want your taxes to go up? Push for socialised medecine,it is cheaper.</p>
<p>It is also the morally right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: sigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alejo, socialism is not better if my taxes have to be raised.  I don&#039;t want to pay for other&#039;s health plans except out of charity.  Big government only leads to government control (aka oppression) of the people.

Tom H, that is ridiculous.  I have had no say in how GM runs the company.  Big cars have nothing to do with GM&#039;s fortunes, poor decisions between management and unions are the biggest faults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alejo, socialism is not better if my taxes have to be raised.  I don't want to pay for other's health plans except out of charity.  Big government only leads to government control (aka oppression) of the people.</p>
<p>Tom H, that is ridiculous.  I have had no say in how GM runs the company.  Big cars have nothing to do with GM's fortunes, poor decisions between management and unions are the biggest faults.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dad worked for GM for 42 years and he said that GM would self destruct 35 years ago. I ask the question, Why? His answer, It was the peoples fault! What the American people what they GM will build and make lots of money on. So I guess we the people are to blame, we had to have a bigger cars than the people next door. All the Corp&#039;s do the same we want more money the banks gave to us, and we took it knowing we could not pay it back. It is our own greed and stupidity that got us into this whole mess. We are all to blame!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dad worked for GM for 42 years and he said that GM would self destruct 35 years ago. I ask the question, Why? His answer, It was the peoples fault! What the American people what they GM will build and make lots of money on. So I guess we the people are to blame, we had to have a bigger cars than the people next door. All the Corp's do the same we want more money the banks gave to us, and we took it knowing we could not pay it back. It is our own greed and stupidity that got us into this whole mess. We are all to blame!</p>
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		<title>By: Persephone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Persephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s still true, but in Japan the top executive does not make more than seven times the lowest wage to an employee.  

These executives are scum, sucking every last dime for their personal benefit from what was once a cash cow, but now is a starving, broken-down, over the hill nag.  Bonuses used to be paid based on performance; these guys should be paying the companies to keep them employed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know if it's still true, but in Japan the top executive does not make more than seven times the lowest wage to an employee.  </p>
<p>These executives are scum, sucking every last dime for their personal benefit from what was once a cash cow, but now is a starving, broken-down, over the hill nag.  Bonuses used to be paid based on performance; these guys should be paying the companies to keep them employed.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@b2witte and jackjumper: thank you! I&#039;ve corrected the article. As I read it, the hourly cost of labor is $75, of which a significant portion is legacy cost of retiree&#039;s pensions and benefits.

@zav - you&#039;re right, obviously. It&#039;s corrected now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@b2witte and jackjumper: thank you! I've corrected the article. As I read it, the hourly cost of labor is $75, of which a significant portion is legacy cost of retiree's pensions and benefits.</p>
<p>@zav - you're right, obviously. It's corrected now.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>electronic fuel injection was around way before 78, and wasn&#039;t invented by GM.

&quot;The first factory electronic fuel injection, a true multi-point system, with dual 2-bbl. throttles, was optional on 1958 Chrysler products, both Hemi and wedge engines. It was jointly engineered by Chrysler and Bendix.&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injection#History_and_development</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>electronic fuel injection was around way before 78, and wasn't invented by GM.</p>
<p>"The first factory electronic fuel injection, a true multi-point system, with dual 2-bbl. throttles, was optional on 1958 Chrysler products, both Hemi and wedge engines. It was jointly engineered by Chrysler and Bendix."</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injection#History_and_development" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injection#History_and_development</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alejo Hausner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alejo Hausner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A while ago I heard an interesting comment on the radio.  The commentator pointed out that, back in the 1950s and 1960s, in Europe, Japan and Canada, the governments persuaded large companies to accept national health insurance paid through higher taxes.  I think the U.S. auto makers might have had a similar choice put before them, but they turned it down to avoid higher taxes.

The interesting effect of that choice is that, in those countries, the auto makers don&#039;t pay for their employees&#039; medical costs.  In the USA, one of GM&#039;s largest extra costs is company-financed medical costs.  With tax-funded medical care, GM might be more competitive.

The moral: socialism is good for business.

Alejo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while ago I heard an interesting comment on the radio.  The commentator pointed out that, back in the 1950s and 1960s, in Europe, Japan and Canada, the governments persuaded large companies to accept national health insurance paid through higher taxes.  I think the U.S. auto makers might have had a similar choice put before them, but they turned it down to avoid higher taxes.</p>
<p>The interesting effect of that choice is that, in those countries, the auto makers don't pay for their employees' medical costs.  In the USA, one of GM's largest extra costs is company-financed medical costs.  With tax-funded medical care, GM might be more competitive.</p>
<p>The moral: socialism is good for business.</p>
<p>Alejo</p>
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		<title>By: Polx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is absurd to blame the troubles on the workers.

It is managements fault.

They failed to manage.

That is why they get paid the fat money, not to whine and bitch and blame the employees.

If you are management...MANAGE THE COMPANY.


If you don&#039;t like the Unions then manage the situation, make them see that absenteeism will result in firings.
Manage your product, if you are trying to sell a car you do not get to blame the guy with the wrench putting wheels on all day, he didn&#039;t design it, nor did he do the consumer research  nor the market place forecasting.

It is managements fault, they failed to manage any aspect of their business and awarded themselves a series of unearned and grossly out od scale pay increases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is absurd to blame the troubles on the workers.</p>
<p>It is managements fault.</p>
<p>They failed to manage.</p>
<p>That is why they get paid the fat money, not to whine and bitch and blame the employees.</p>
<p>If you are management...MANAGE THE COMPANY.</p>
<p>If you don't like the Unions then manage the situation, make them see that absenteeism will result in firings.<br />
Manage your product, if you are trying to sell a car you do not get to blame the guy with the wrench putting wheels on all day, he didn't design it, nor did he do the consumer research  nor the market place forecasting.</p>
<p>It is managements fault, they failed to manage any aspect of their business and awarded themselves a series of unearned and grossly out od scale pay increases.</p>
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		<title>By: zav</title>
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		<dc:creator>zav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;9. GM&#039;s Car Troubles: Whose Faults Is It?&quot;  

That is incorrect.  The word, &quot;Faults&quot; should be &quot;Fault&quot;.  You will never hear fault being used with an s on the end when applying blame in English unless someone is referring to earthquake faults.  In short, there is never an s on the fault when applying blame.  It is her fault.  It was their fault.  You can, however, say that someone has their many faults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"9. GM's Car Troubles: Whose Faults Is It?"  </p>
<p>That is incorrect.  The word, "Faults" should be "Fault".  You will never hear fault being used with an s on the end when applying blame in English unless someone is referring to earthquake faults.  In short, there is never an s on the fault when applying blame.  It is her fault.  It was their fault.  You can, however, say that someone has their many faults.</p>
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		<title>By: jackjumper</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/11/24/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-general-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-1210540</link>
		<dc:creator>jackjumper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On average, Detroit union auto workers earn about $75 per hour (salary and benefits)&quot;

This isn&#039;t actually true ($75/hr would be $167,000 yearly gross salary!)  

See here: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1026e955-541c-4aa6-bcf2-56dfc3323682</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"On average, Detroit union auto workers earn about $75 per hour (salary and benefits)"</p>
<p>This isn't actually true ($75/hr would be $167,000 yearly gross salary!)  </p>
<p>See here: <a href="http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1026e955-541c-4aa6-bcf2-56dfc3323682" rel="nofollow">http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1026e955-541c-4aa6-bcf2-56df c3323682</a></p>
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		<title>By: scott anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/11/24/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-general-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-1210506</link>
		<dc:creator>scott anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many conservative friends have said that executive salary caps are a bad precedent — yet these same people argue for salary caps for line workers.

I think I think the executive salaries ought to be capped at something like 3X the line workers salaries – bonuses included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many conservative friends have said that executive salary caps are a bad precedent — yet these same people argue for salary caps for line workers.</p>
<p>I think I think the executive salaries ought to be capped at something like 3X the line workers salaries – bonuses included.</p>
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		<title>By: b2witte</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/11/24/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-general-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-1210496</link>
		<dc:creator>b2witte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The $70/hour for autoworkers is a myth.  The actual number is $28/hour - which comes out to $60,000/year.  The Honda, Toyota, etc. plants in the US pay around $24-25/hour.  The benefits received by UAW-represented workers comes out to an additional $10/hour.  Horrifying, isn&#039;t it, that people who work 40 hours a week should receive health and disability benefits.

Source: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1026e955-541c-4aa6-bcf2-56dfc3323682

and

http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers/2008/11/18/the-return-of-the-70-per-hour-meme</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The $70/hour for autoworkers is a myth.  The actual number is $28/hour - which comes out to $60,000/year.  The Honda, Toyota, etc. plants in the US pay around $24-25/hour.  The benefits received by UAW-represented workers comes out to an additional $10/hour.  Horrifying, isn't it, that people who work 40 hours a week should receive health and disability benefits.</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1026e955-541c-4aa6-bcf2-56dfc3323682" rel="nofollow">http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1026e955-541c-4aa6-bcf2-56df c3323682</a></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers/2008/11/18/the-return-of-the-70-per-hour-meme" rel="nofollow">http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers/2008/11/18/the-retu rn-of-the-70-per-hour-meme</a></p>
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		<title>By: antifa</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/11/24/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-general-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-1210495</link>
		<dc:creator>antifa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets blame the unions.  It can&#039;t be because management or the CEOs are incompetent.  If people get reasonable pay for reasonable work there must be something wrong.  No, don&#039;t look for problems with CEOs begging for billions by flying private jets, or mega million dollar bonuses, or total incapacity to modernise facilities, or anything else.  We workers should suffer!  Pah!  $75/hour!  I can live off $5.50, and everyone else should too.  Weekends be damned.  Only wusses take vacation!  Suck it up workers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets blame the unions.  It can't be because management or the CEOs are incompetent.  If people get reasonable pay for reasonable work there must be something wrong.  No, don't look for problems with CEOs begging for billions by flying private jets, or mega million dollar bonuses, or total incapacity to modernise facilities, or anything else.  We workers should suffer!  Pah!  $75/hour!  I can live off $5.50, and everyone else should too.  Weekends be damned.  Only wusses take vacation!  Suck it up workers!</p>
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		<title>By: shawnisboring</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/11/24/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-general-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-1210424</link>
		<dc:creator>shawnisboring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that the truck indiana jones got dragged behind?</description>
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