If you read this, try your experiment again, but weigh both trays first. Then weigh them after they've frozen.

I'm willing to bet there's a discrepancy with the hot tray.

The hot water/cold water question.

The hot water MIGHT freeze faster if both containers are in non-conductive vessels, like wooden buckets. Steam will rise, and if the conditions are right the hot water will lose enough mass so that it cools down faster than the water that was cold to begin with.

If they're in metal bowls? Forget it. The cold water wins.

If this didn't happen our oceans could very well freeze up. Ice would sink allowing more ice to form at the top and continue to sink to the bottom until the oceans froze solid. This would happen even in wamers climates because the sun can only reach so far down.

This incredible property does have it's draw backs when ice expands to crack roads, water pipes, foundations and pretty much anything it can creep into in the winter. )

Assuming that hydrogen bonds are present for too short of a period of time between water molecules to show water memory vis a vis clustering,

then someone would need to find another mechanism, beginning wherever they believed was most plausible.

I do not possess a scientific authority here, i am just guessing, and my guess is that water or any liquid may have a better chance at "imprinting" things such as where it has been, etc. than solids or gases, and that this recording or imprinting or pattern transference would be found at a mathematical level. That water is like memory foam, mathematically, would be the idea. If this is found elsewhere in nature, then is it found elsewhere in nature such as to point there?

- Right, because you can sometimes 'half' get cancer right? Maybe then we get 'half' cured with bogus 'medicine'. I look forward to your career as a 'half' healer giving false hope to terminally ill children. Better than nothing right? Is there a homeopathic cure for stupidity?

Michelle

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When you are unable to distinguish between homeopathy and science you are operating in an utterly mindset and world from me.

I'm of the opinion that the difference is that the gasses had been driven out of the hot water and, at some molecular level, no longer insulated the water molecules.

(Relax ... it's only an uninformed guess, not an obiter dictum.)

Here are the largest reasons Homeopathy is discarded by scientists...

1)Robert L. Park, Ph.D., a prominent physicist who is executive director of The American Physical Society, has noted that since the least amount of a substance in a solution is one molecule, a 30C solution would have to have at least one molecule of the original substance dissolved in a minimum of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000 molecules of water. This would require a container more than 30,000,000,000 times the size of the Earth.

This is like dropping a single drop of red dye into all of the world's bodies of water and expecting at least one molecule of the dye to reach every single part of the solution. It just cannot happen.

So, since no one can create a container 30 trillion times the size of the earth...Homeopaths are left with only one other option for acceptance.

2)The memory of water theory has not and cannot be reproducibly proven in double/triple blind tests by the original test firm or third party firms.

I believe I read somewhere once that "in every cup of water (8.4 x 10^24 molecules) there is at least one molecule that has passed through the body of every famous person that ever lived --- Jesus, Aristotle, etc --- which is one more molecule than what it is claimed to contain ... think about that the next time you go to communion.".

That being said, one also has to consider the possiblity that, since water is a highly recyclable/renewable part of our world, that if water does indeed have a memory then the memory of water would span the ages. Part of the renewal of the Earth's water comes from sewage...ie, human excrement. So then it could also be deducted that every sip of water you take has a memory of urine!

Is Homeopathy just reincarnated piss? Beyond the plausible deniability that water has memory, at what point does water "forget" its past? Can water develop amnesia? Does water go to a therapist and learn to block out a harmful incident in its past?

Homeopaths cannot answer the molecular subject noted above, nor can anyone else. They also cannot prove the Memory of Water and until they do it will always be regarded as Pseudoscience or Placebos.

Working inside the industry my standpoint is that while I urge everyone to buy lots of Homeopathics and make me rich...I myself would not waste the time or the money.

Yes, water does supercool and will freeze, I have seen it in a cat water dish that I left outside, but the video is not that.

I mix up some poison (say 150mg of arsenic in cup full of water -toxic to a human) and then dump this in the Silver Lake reservoir (600 million gallons of water) everyone in LA should die.

If someone else wants to take remedies it does no harm to you
Let them do as they please since you believe it won't work anyway

Good god, you people all need to lighten up

To author of the article:
The boiling water to snow was my favorite ^_^
And me did super heating of water in a microwave at school
Pretty bad ass but you have to be careful not to burn yourself >.>

I've actually done this experiment so I laugh whenever I see people saying "Uh, hot watuh has further go tuh get cold dan deh cold watuh, only existing aspucts of reality r da ones i refer to in my head-other tings aint reelz." Sorry, there are more things out there in reality than you can dream of in your limited hypothesis. Maybe you need to test it.

Or if you're scared of that try reading

Department of Physics, University of California:
http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/hot_water.html

Meanwhile "western medicine" has several thousand definite curative procedures and drugs and more every day.

Which do you think has a better chance of fixing what ails you?

Pretty much the same argument is made against chiropractic care, Ayurvedic medicine and acupuncture / acupressure. The only problem is that they keep working. Western medicine sent me home from the hospital with severe back pain. Chiropractic fixed it.

Meanwhile western medicine still needs to answer for bleeding (as a therapy), thalidomide, mercury, electro-convulsive therapy, frontal lobotomies, partial-birth abortions, "preventive" tonsillectomies and also Hepatitis C, Chaga's disease and HIV in the blood supplies. The list goes on ... these are just the mess-ups that come quickly to mind.

My Dad has been told that anytime he doesn't want to come off the operating table, it can be arranged. Every year two or three of the oldsters in his senior apartment building take their doctors up on the offer.

And western methods don't have what I would consider an unblemished record regarding cancer, either.

All in all, rather than say that homeopathy doesn't work, why not simply acknowledge that you don't know how it works or why ... but people sometimes get well using it after western methods have been tried and failed.

You are the reason abortion is legal.

The Belfast study results were discredited. There are other studies that also seem to support homeopathy, but there's just no reason to believe it works.

How big is a water molecule? How big are the molecules that are supposed to be leaving an "imprint"?