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	<title>Comments on: Should the US Drinking Age be Lowered to 18?</title>
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		<title>By: dangerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>dangerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When peope are treated like adults, and able to drink in establishments where good behaviour is expected, they will rise to the occasion and drink responsibly.
When drinking is outlawed, people will drink to get drunk, at woodsies or house parties, and act irresponsibly.
Here in Australia, 18 year olds go to the pub, and for the most part behave themselves.  The goal is to spend time with friends, not to get smashed.
And to counter the MADD people argument about drunk driving, just get a few more random breath tests on the road.  That will get drunks off the road fast than a dumb drinking age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When peope are treated like adults, and able to drink in establishments where good behaviour is expected, they will rise to the occasion and drink responsibly.<br />
When drinking is outlawed, people will drink to get drunk, at woodsies or house parties, and act irresponsibly.<br />
Here in Australia, 18 year olds go to the pub, and for the most part behave themselves.  The goal is to spend time with friends, not to get smashed.<br />
And to counter the MADD people argument about drunk driving, just get a few more random breath tests on the road.  That will get drunks off the road fast than a dumb drinking age.</p>
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		<title>By: Julianne Primsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julianne Primsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no way should they lower the age of drinking. teenagers already bust their butts off to get alcohol and we still have many drunk-driving accidents and over the limit problems. If you give more teenagers easy access then they can get it easily and abuse the privlidge easily. It's a terrible idea and some day people will come to relize it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no way should they lower the age of drinking. teenagers already bust their butts off to get alcohol and we still have many drunk-driving accidents and over the limit problems. If you give more teenagers easy access then they can get it easily and abuse the privlidge easily. It&#8217;s a terrible idea and some day people will come to relize it!</p>
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		<title>By: chrisR.L</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisR.L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I was in favor of it but then I put aside the hype and I think its best if it is kept at 21.  There are lots more kids who don't get booze but want it - maybe the kids who dont go to parties or whatever.  And imagine all the drunk kids on the roads!  THey think they are invincible and will be drunk doing dangerous things, more importantly, endangering other people.  

I am 18 and I feel it should be kept at 21.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I was in favor of it but then I put aside the hype and I think its best if it is kept at 21.  There are lots more kids who don&#8217;t get booze but want it - maybe the kids who dont go to parties or whatever.  And imagine all the drunk kids on the roads!  THey think they are invincible and will be drunk doing dangerous things, more importantly, endangering other people.  </p>
<p>I am 18 and I feel it should be kept at 21.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's all part of the all knowing nanny state at work. 
Drinking age, seat belt &#38; helmet laws, no trans fats or smoking in restaurants. Many of these regulations are made by unelected civil service bureaucrats.

Somebody knows better than you what's good for you. Just not you.

THIS is the creeping fascism everyone should be afraid of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all part of the all knowing nanny state at work.<br />
Drinking age, seat belt &amp; helmet laws, no trans fats or smoking in restaurants. Many of these regulations are made by unelected civil service bureaucrats.</p>
<p>Somebody knows better than you what&#8217;s good for you. Just not you.</p>
<p>THIS is the creeping fascism everyone should be afraid of.</p>
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		<title>By: Rexmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rexmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either the drinking age should be lowered to 18 or the age to enlist should be raised to 21.  It does not make sense to say you are old enough to die for your country but not mature enough to drink responsibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either the drinking age should be lowered to 18 or the age to enlist should be raised to 21.  It does not make sense to say you are old enough to die for your country but not mature enough to drink responsibly.</p>
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		<title>By: Adsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drinking at age 18?  I can't see much of a difference between the two.  Sure it may reduce binge drinking, but it's simply not realistic to lower the age by a few years.  We need a complete cultural overhaul.  You cannot expect a law to do the work in enforcing itself.  We need parental figures to do that job, not the government.  Simply put, we need to allow parents to determine the drinking age for their children.  Sure there may be a few screwy folks out there that will get their kids drunk before age 8, but that's the worst case scenario in that specific situation.  By allowing parents to regulate legal drinking for their children by say, a very very small glass of wine for dinner, we will be setting up a more responsible approach to drinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drinking at age 18?  I can&#8217;t see much of a difference between the two.  Sure it may reduce binge drinking, but it&#8217;s simply not realistic to lower the age by a few years.  We need a complete cultural overhaul.  You cannot expect a law to do the work in enforcing itself.  We need parental figures to do that job, not the government.  Simply put, we need to allow parents to determine the drinking age for their children.  Sure there may be a few screwy folks out there that will get their kids drunk before age 8, but that&#8217;s the worst case scenario in that specific situation.  By allowing parents to regulate legal drinking for their children by say, a very very small glass of wine for dinner, we will be setting up a more responsible approach to drinking.</p>
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		<title>By: legalize cannabis</title>
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		<dc:creator>legalize cannabis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legalize cannabis and turn the drunk idiots ruining families and rolling around in the streets causing chaos turn into mellow fellos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legalize cannabis and turn the drunk idiots ruining families and rolling around in the streets causing chaos turn into mellow fellos.</p>
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		<title>By: Polx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the ages established in the US for certain activities are very enlightening as to how your society veiws the young.

You can own a gun at 16

You can join the Armed forces at 18 or 17 with parentla consent.

You can Drive a car at 16.

You can have sex at 18.

You can drink alcohol at 21.

So you'd be able to drive a car legally for 5 years before having a beer legally.

Ever noticed that youngsters who drink tend to screw up and come home with sick down their fronts? Incapable?

And that's them walking.

Yet it is seens as being a good move to be able to get drunk and have the car so habituated into their world view that they'll automatically try to drive.

Also you can own a gun and legally shoot people, under certain circumstances, for 2 years before you can have sex?

The US is seriously screwy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the ages established in the US for certain activities are very enlightening as to how your society veiws the young.</p>
<p>You can own a gun at 16</p>
<p>You can join the Armed forces at 18 or 17 with parentla consent.</p>
<p>You can Drive a car at 16.</p>
<p>You can have sex at 18.</p>
<p>You can drink alcohol at 21.</p>
<p>So you&#8217;d be able to drive a car legally for 5 years before having a beer legally.</p>
<p>Ever noticed that youngsters who drink tend to screw up and come home with sick down their fronts? Incapable?</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s them walking.</p>
<p>Yet it is seens as being a good move to be able to get drunk and have the car so habituated into their world view that they&#8217;ll automatically try to drive.</p>
<p>Also you can own a gun and legally shoot people, under certain circumstances, for 2 years before you can have sex?</p>
<p>The US is seriously screwy.</p>
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		<title>By: K!P</title>
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		<dc:creator>K!P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sigh: you forget that drinking is done woth your own consent. Rape not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sigh: you forget that drinking is done woth your own consent. Rape not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Shprocket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shprocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh wrote:

"Hey, let’s legalize murder and rape while we’re at it since 'some people do it anyways.'
What a stupid reason."

What a stupid comment.  Murder and rape are crimes against others; putting a forbidden substance into your body hurts nobody but you.  You don't see the difference?

Sigh wrote:

"How about instead we raise our children better and teach them virtue?"

Right, how about WE do that and not the legislative branch of the government?  While we're teaching them 'virtue' (whatever you happen to mean by that), maybe we could also give them enough factual information about drugs and alcohol that they won't be tantalized by the prospect of trying to find a good time in a forbidden bottle... as opposed to the lies and distortions that we currently expect kids to believe, or the total information blackout on the subject that many parents hand them.

First they told me about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Jesus, and the Boogy Man... then they told me that I'd ruin my life if I smoked pot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey, let’s legalize murder and rape while we’re at it since &#8217;some people do it anyways.&#8217;<br />
What a stupid reason.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a stupid comment.  Murder and rape are crimes against others; putting a forbidden substance into your body hurts nobody but you.  You don&#8217;t see the difference?</p>
<p>Sigh wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;How about instead we raise our children better and teach them virtue?&#8221;</p>
<p>Right, how about WE do that and not the legislative branch of the government?  While we&#8217;re teaching them &#8216;virtue&#8217; (whatever you happen to mean by that), maybe we could also give them enough factual information about drugs and alcohol that they won&#8217;t be tantalized by the prospect of trying to find a good time in a forbidden bottle&#8230; as opposed to the lies and distortions that we currently expect kids to believe, or the total information blackout on the subject that many parents hand them.</p>
<p>First they told me about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Jesus, and the Boogy Man&#8230; then they told me that I&#8217;d ruin my life if I smoked pot.</p>
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		<title>By: sigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, let's legalize murder and rape while we're at it since "some people do it anyways."
What a stupid reason.
How about instead we raise our children better and teach them virtue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, let&#8217;s legalize murder and rape while we&#8217;re at it since &#8220;some people do it anyways.&#8221;<br />
What a stupid reason.<br />
How about instead we raise our children better and teach them virtue?</p>
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		<title>By: MoonCake</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoonCake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no license, sorry. you don't get a card congratulating you that you're an adult. you get a new ID, but woopty-doo. you carry that thing with you the rest of your life. hooray for adulthood!

the drinking age should definitely be lowered, though. if you get a DWI when you're under-age, you get slapped with a much larger penalty than if you're of age. also, your blood alcohol level has to be less than 0.01, so you're screwed if you rinse with f*cking listerine. when you're of age, you'll get slapped with a fine, get your license revoked for a while, have to serve probation (the same as if you're underage), but your blood alcohol level has to be below 0.08. my buddy got f-ed the other day, of course it was his fault for driving like a dick and drinking, but he had like A beer and they took him in under false pretenses. if the drinking age is lowered, i think some teenagers will avoid the binge drinking and learn some  discipline before they get slapped with a huge legal liability. i don't know, it makes more sense. i think the more you limit someone from doing something the more they just want to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no license, sorry. you don&#8217;t get a card congratulating you that you&#8217;re an adult. you get a new ID, but woopty-doo. you carry that thing with you the rest of your life. hooray for adulthood!</p>
<p>the drinking age should definitely be lowered, though. if you get a DWI when you&#8217;re under-age, you get slapped with a much larger penalty than if you&#8217;re of age. also, your blood alcohol level has to be less than 0.01, so you&#8217;re screwed if you rinse with f*cking listerine. when you&#8217;re of age, you&#8217;ll get slapped with a fine, get your license revoked for a while, have to serve probation (the same as if you&#8217;re underage), but your blood alcohol level has to be below 0.08. my buddy got f-ed the other day, of course it was his fault for driving like a dick and drinking, but he had like A beer and they took him in under false pretenses. if the drinking age is lowered, i think some teenagers will avoid the binge drinking and learn some  discipline before they get slapped with a huge legal liability. i don&#8217;t know, it makes more sense. i think the more you limit someone from doing something the more they just want to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: almost veinte uno</title>
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		<dc:creator>almost veinte uno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drinking licenses folks!
1. Few hours of safe-use class
2. Permit that allows you to drink with your parents @17
3. Full license that allows you to drink at will @18

You can lose your license if you abuse it, no matter your age. DWI, DUI, Public Intoxication etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drinking licenses folks!<br />
1. Few hours of safe-use class<br />
2. Permit that allows you to drink with your parents @17<br />
3. Full license that allows you to drink at will @18</p>
<p>You can lose your license if you abuse it, no matter your age. DWI, DUI, Public Intoxication etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the problems with binge drinking in America have almost nothing to do with the legal age that one can purchase and drink alcohol and everything to do with the lack of communication and education about alcohol and responsible use.  As long as the cultural mores place a lot of importance in the ability to drink oneself drunk and the glamour of drinking there are going to be young adults who cannot make wise decisions reguarding alcohol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the problems with binge drinking in America have almost nothing to do with the legal age that one can purchase and drink alcohol and everything to do with the lack of communication and education about alcohol and responsible use.  As long as the cultural mores place a lot of importance in the ability to drink oneself drunk and the glamour of drinking there are going to be young adults who cannot make wise decisions reguarding alcohol.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what does the military have to do with any of this? this story is about binge drinking on college campuses. if anyone thinks that lowering the age limit will help the problem is crazy. 

the only thing lowering the age limit will do is find out who has a drinking problem sooner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what does the military have to do with any of this? this story is about binge drinking on college campuses. if anyone thinks that lowering the age limit will help the problem is crazy. </p>
<p>the only thing lowering the age limit will do is find out who has a drinking problem sooner</p>
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		<title>By: Shprocket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shprocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention:

I see a lot of comments from people who assume that lowering the drinking age will somehow magically result in more people drinking.  Are you folks for real?  User DOJ wrote a comment recommending that we lower the drinking age a year at a time, "to lessen the shock of three years worth of people diving in at once".  This is not a view that is in touch with reality.  Do you actually believe that the current law against drinking before you're 21 stops 20-year-olds, 19-year-olds, or 18-year-olds?  All it does is keep them out of bars and liquor stores, unless they happen to have a convincing-enough fake ID, or they happen to be frequenting one of the many establishments that are somewhat lax on carding people who aren't obviously too young.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention:</p>
<p>I see a lot of comments from people who assume that lowering the drinking age will somehow magically result in more people drinking.  Are you folks for real?  User DOJ wrote a comment recommending that we lower the drinking age a year at a time, &#8220;to lessen the shock of three years worth of people diving in at once&#8221;.  This is not a view that is in touch with reality.  Do you actually believe that the current law against drinking before you&#8217;re 21 stops 20-year-olds, 19-year-olds, or 18-year-olds?  All it does is keep them out of bars and liquor stores, unless they happen to have a convincing-enough fake ID, or they happen to be frequenting one of the many establishments that are somewhat lax on carding people who aren&#8217;t obviously too young.</p>
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		<title>By: Shprocket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shprocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen G said:

"Congress should at least remove their blackmail that virtually requires states to have the law at 21 to get their full highway fund money. Letting states decide what they want is the proper federalist answer."

Hear, hear to your "at least".

I see a lot of people giving opinions about what the legal age for drinking should be, but I think legislating a legal age at all is absurd and offensive... much more so when that age is above the age of majority.  The government should not be legislating personal morality to adults, nor should the government be co-opting the role that belongs to parents.

By "legislating personal morality" I mean criminalizing victimless actions and writing laws designed to protect adults from themselves.  We already have laws against driving while intoxicated, so we don't need laws against getting intoxicated, an act which in and of itself puts nobody at risk but the intoxicated person.  ALL recreational drugs should be legal for adults to use as they see fit... prohibition didn't work with alcohol and it doesn't work with marijuana, cocaine, heroin, LSD, ecstasy, or any other recreational substance.  All the statistics show that the "War on Drugs" that began in the Reagan administration has been a massive and very costly failure, not unlike the failed war on alcohol that we waged from 1920 to 1933.

Some Mrs. Grundy type is bound to reply to this with some outraged comments about how drug addicts steal and rob to get money for drugs, and then go on to claim that decriminalizing drugs would result in a tidal wave of such lawlessness.  The fact of the matter, however, is that the price of recreational drugs is artificially high (extremely so) precisely because they are illegal.  If the cost of heroin actually reflected the cost of producing it, transporting it, and retailing it, a junkie would be able to get his daily fix for around fifty cents, and thus would have no need to steal or rob in order to satisfy his jones.  Remove the laws against sales, possession, and use, and you remove the artificially high cost.  Remove the artificially high cost, and you remove the impetus to steal.

Mrs. Grundy will also stridently point out that legalizing all drugs would result in a huge rise in drug use, and in drug overdoses.  The opposite is true... remove the taboo factor, and drug use will go down, not up.  Supply drug enthusiasts with pharmaceutical quality product that does not vary wildly in strength and purity the way street drugs do, and overdoses (along with other health problems induced by drug use) will plummet.

As for alcohol specifically... personally, I plan on giving my 16-month-old son a small glass of wine or beer with his dinner on a regular basis, starting when he's about ten years old.  I want him to have no curiosity on the subject of booze, and I want him to be familiar enough with the effects that he won't overdo it when he's older in some futile search for a good time.  Forbidden fruit has a powerful allure, especially for kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen G said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Congress should at least remove their blackmail that virtually requires states to have the law at 21 to get their full highway fund money. Letting states decide what they want is the proper federalist answer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hear, hear to your &#8220;at least&#8221;.</p>
<p>I see a lot of people giving opinions about what the legal age for drinking should be, but I think legislating a legal age at all is absurd and offensive&#8230; much more so when that age is above the age of majority.  The government should not be legislating personal morality to adults, nor should the government be co-opting the role that belongs to parents.</p>
<p>By &#8220;legislating personal morality&#8221; I mean criminalizing victimless actions and writing laws designed to protect adults from themselves.  We already have laws against driving while intoxicated, so we don&#8217;t need laws against getting intoxicated, an act which in and of itself puts nobody at risk but the intoxicated person.  ALL recreational drugs should be legal for adults to use as they see fit&#8230; prohibition didn&#8217;t work with alcohol and it doesn&#8217;t work with marijuana, cocaine, heroin, LSD, ecstasy, or any other recreational substance.  All the statistics show that the &#8220;War on Drugs&#8221; that began in the Reagan administration has been a massive and very costly failure, not unlike the failed war on alcohol that we waged from 1920 to 1933.</p>
<p>Some Mrs. Grundy type is bound to reply to this with some outraged comments about how drug addicts steal and rob to get money for drugs, and then go on to claim that decriminalizing drugs would result in a tidal wave of such lawlessness.  The fact of the matter, however, is that the price of recreational drugs is artificially high (extremely so) precisely because they are illegal.  If the cost of heroin actually reflected the cost of producing it, transporting it, and retailing it, a junkie would be able to get his daily fix for around fifty cents, and thus would have no need to steal or rob in order to satisfy his jones.  Remove the laws against sales, possession, and use, and you remove the artificially high cost.  Remove the artificially high cost, and you remove the impetus to steal.</p>
<p>Mrs. Grundy will also stridently point out that legalizing all drugs would result in a huge rise in drug use, and in drug overdoses.  The opposite is true&#8230; remove the taboo factor, and drug use will go down, not up.  Supply drug enthusiasts with pharmaceutical quality product that does not vary wildly in strength and purity the way street drugs do, and overdoses (along with other health problems induced by drug use) will plummet.</p>
<p>As for alcohol specifically&#8230; personally, I plan on giving my 16-month-old son a small glass of wine or beer with his dinner on a regular basis, starting when he&#8217;s about ten years old.  I want him to have no curiosity on the subject of booze, and I want him to be familiar enough with the effects that he won&#8217;t overdo it when he&#8217;s older in some futile search for a good time.  Forbidden fruit has a powerful allure, especially for kids.</p>
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		<title>By: bruce v. bracken</title>
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		<dc:creator>bruce v. bracken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current drinking laws are bigoted, making second-class citizens out of 18-year-olds. You're either an adult, or you're not. This is a classic result of paternalism, the quaint notion of protecting peopm themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current drinking laws are bigoted, making second-class citizens out of 18-year-olds. You&#8217;re either an adult, or you&#8217;re not. This is a classic result of paternalism, the quaint notion of protecting peopm themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: DOJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i say ratchet the age down a year at a time, to lessen the shock of three years worth of people diving in at once.

Also, greatly increase the penalties for drunk driving in the same legislation that lowers the drinking age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i say ratchet the age down a year at a time, to lessen the shock of three years worth of people diving in at once.</p>
<p>Also, greatly increase the penalties for drunk driving in the same legislation that lowers the drinking age.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Giachetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Giachetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nikita,
I joined the military at age 17 and I felt the exact same way.
But,now that I'm an antique I feel completely the opposite. I know how irresponsible that age can be.
Owning a gun at age 16 id not a valid arguement. Add a drunk 18 year old with a gun into the mix and you have a drunk who will roadrage, shoot the other driver, then wrap his dumb young drunk gun toting ass around a tree on the way home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nikita,<br />
I joined the military at age 17 and I felt the exact same way.<br />
But,now that I&#8217;m an antique I feel completely the opposite. I know how irresponsible that age can be.<br />
Owning a gun at age 16 id not a valid arguement. Add a drunk 18 year old with a gun into the mix and you have a drunk who will roadrage, shoot the other driver, then wrap his dumb young drunk gun toting ass around a tree on the way home.</p>
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		<title>By: secret asian man</title>
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		<dc:creator>secret asian man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 21 drinking age is great for the same reason insanely low speed limits and pot bans are great:

It's obviously stupid, and it gives young people a strong foundation of distrust of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 21 drinking age is great for the same reason insanely low speed limits and pot bans are great:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obviously stupid, and it gives young people a strong foundation of distrust of government.</p>
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		<title>By: Neatoramawontsendmeapassword</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/19/should-the-us-drinking-age-be-lowered-to-18/#comment-760462</link>
		<dc:creator>Neatoramawontsendmeapassword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can go off to college, live on your own, have sex, drive a car, go to war, and vote... but you can't drink?

I don't get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can go off to college, live on your own, have sex, drive a car, go to war, and vote&#8230; but you can&#8217;t drink?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I studied abroad in London and saw tons of first year students (18 - the legal drinking age) come stumbling in EVERY night - in other words, the low drinking age definitely did NOT make them more mature drinkers!!  So I really feel that is a myth.  I agree with the idea of raising the military age to 21 though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I studied abroad in London and saw tons of first year students (18 - the legal drinking age) come stumbling in EVERY night - in other words, the low drinking age definitely did NOT make them more mature drinkers!!  So I really feel that is a myth.  I agree with the idea of raising the military age to 21 though!</p>
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		<title>By: K!P</title>
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		<dc:creator>K!P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the Netherlands the age ristriction is 16 for beer/wine and 18 for annything distilled. To be able to buy legal weed you have to be 18 also. Driverslicence can be obtained at 18. That being said: ive never been into a bar fight, nor am i an alcoholic. 21 seems way to high in my eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the Netherlands the age ristriction is 16 for beer/wine and 18 for annything distilled. To be able to buy legal weed you have to be 18 also. Driverslicence can be obtained at 18. That being said: ive never been into a bar fight, nor am i an alcoholic. 21 seems way to high in my eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress should at least remove their blackmail that virtually requires states to have the law at 21 to get their full highway fund money. Letting states decide what they want is the proper federalist answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress should at least remove their blackmail that virtually requires states to have the law at 21 to get their full highway fund money. Letting states decide what they want is the proper federalist answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Contra Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contra Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say lower it.  If I am eligible at 18 to vote, serve in the military, pay taxes,  be tried as an adult, get married, purchase firearms, and serve on a jury,  then I should also have the right at 18 to have a drink. I am not saying I want to get drunk,  and I wouldnt drive drunk,  but Americans should be allowed to drink at 18.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say lower it.  If I am eligible at 18 to vote, serve in the military, pay taxes,  be tried as an adult, get married, purchase firearms, and serve on a jury,  then I should also have the right at 18 to have a drink. I am not saying I want to get drunk,  and I wouldnt drive drunk,  but Americans should be allowed to drink at 18.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea-Ja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea-Ja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why lower the age to match the driving/voting/marriage/armed forces - raise ALL of them to match the drinking age. (or make them all age 20?) 
If New Zealand and Australia are anything to go by, there will be more binge drinking and alcohol related problems if the age is lowered.
Unless your country can communicate and teach the responsibility needed, I don't see it being any different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why lower the age to match the driving/voting/marriage/armed forces - raise ALL of them to match the drinking age. (or make them all age 20?)<br />
If New Zealand and Australia are anything to go by, there will be more binge drinking and alcohol related problems if the age is lowered.<br />
Unless your country can communicate and teach the responsibility needed, I don&#8217;t see it being any different.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley1985</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley1985</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone drinks underage. Finally someone supports it. If the age is lowered I can finally stop worrying that I’m going to end up on CollegeClickTV.com drunkenly rambling about my Linguistics professor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone drinks underage. Finally someone supports it. If the age is lowered I can finally stop worrying that I’m going to end up on CollegeClickTV.com drunkenly rambling about my Linguistics professor.</p>
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		<title>By: rina</title>
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		<dc:creator>rina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>an 18 yr old commits a crime and is tried in adult court...but he can't drink like an adult. so i say raise the adult age to 21 and keep the drinking age the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an 18 yr old commits a crime and is tried in adult court&#8230;but he can&#8217;t drink like an adult. so i say raise the adult age to 21 and keep the drinking age the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say raise the limit to 65.  That will make it simpler.  Then we can get beer, drive a car, and watch ultraporn.</description>
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