Comments on: Goths: Then and Now http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/ The Neat Side of the Web Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:28:38 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Illuminati http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-1888074 Illuminati Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:32:33 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-1888074 Oh-the joy of finding this site. I am a Goth. Not the "no one understands me, I don't give a damn what people think, so I'm gonna be a rebel!" Goth, but an actual, friggin' GOTH. I'm 60% Swedish (not every Goth left the places they came from-Sweden, Poland, Ukraine, etc.), and don't appreciate these little shites runnin around playin dress up, and slandering my ancestor's good name. We Destroyed the Eastern Roman Empire's army and killed their fucking Emperor! We fucking sacked Rome-the first people to even come close to Rome since Hannibal and his Carthaginians, bitch! We created the client kingdoms that kept Italy from tearing itself apart! Quit whining that your parents don't love you and grow a pair! Why the hell did you even pick our name? Why not Vandals? Scythians? Roxolani? Alemanni? Lombards? Franks? Bulgars? Burgundians? Hell, call yourselves what you dress up like- Losers. Pathetic, annoying, losers, who-after highschool-are in for a rude awakening...Oh, the things you'll learn-such as; Life's a bitch, deal with it, Moving on. People suck-that's their problem. The government is a corrupt totalitarian system, yadda yadda, etc, hippie slander-whatever, growing a pair, moving on...Glad I could help. Oh-the joy of finding this site. I am a Goth. Not the "no one understands me, I don't give a damn what people think, so I'm gonna be a rebel!" Goth, but an actual, friggin' GOTH. I'm 60% Swedish (not every Goth left the places they came from-Sweden, Poland, Ukraine, etc.), and don't appreciate these little shites runnin around playin dress up, and slandering my ancestor's good name. We Destroyed the Eastern Roman Empire's army and killed their fucking Emperor! We fucking sacked Rome-the first people to even come close to Rome since Hannibal and his Carthaginians, bitch! We created the client kingdoms that kept Italy from tearing itself apart! Quit whining that your parents don't love you and grow a pair! Why the hell did you even pick our name? Why not Vandals? Scythians? Roxolani? Alemanni? Lombards? Franks? Bulgars? Burgundians? Hell, call yourselves what you dress up like- Losers. Pathetic, annoying, losers, who-after highschool-are in for a rude awakening...Oh, the things you'll learn-such as; Life's a bitch, deal with it, Moving on. People suck-that's their problem. The government is a corrupt totalitarian system, yadda yadda, etc, hippie slander-whatever, growing a pair, moving on...Glad I could help.

]]> By: Liviana http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-1814571 Liviana Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:45:21 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-1814571 I can tell ya the whole goth thing is just intended to be a mass market way for the more intelligent to make money from the less enlightened people who look pathetic. It was intended and the pagan symbolism just like their barbarian goth ancestors, give it all away... They celebrate death and... well, it is a tongue in cheek joke on them. Paganism=darkness=death I can tell ya the whole goth thing is just intended to be a mass market way for the more intelligent to make money from the less enlightened people who look pathetic. It was intended and the pagan symbolism just like their barbarian goth ancestors, give it all away... They celebrate death and... well, it is a tongue in cheek joke on them. Paganism=darkness=death

]]> By: Paganlove http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-1443625 Paganlove Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:27:51 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-1443625 To who made this cartoon, the star around his neck is a PENTAGRAM, NOT A PENTACLE. GET IT RIGHT. To who made this cartoon, the star around his neck is a PENTAGRAM, NOT A PENTACLE. GET IT RIGHT.

]]> By: william http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-918301 william Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:43:04 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-918301 Nice people?? This sounds real nice dont you think!! LOL Nice people?? This sounds real nice dont you think!! LOL

]]> By: Magenta http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-842999 Magenta Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:34:58 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-842999 I LOVE when people who have no idea what the fuck they are talking about, try to give a half assed intellectual study of a genre they know nothing about. Goths are not as conceited as you say we are, god forbid if we dont wear polo shirts and khakis like everyone else. Could it be that even though we use the name goth, we could actually be nice people? Could it be that we see things you dont? Could it be that we know more about beauty than you do? So i say, why dont you Shut the Fuck up, and learn more about something before you bash it. I LOVE when people who have no idea what the fuck they are talking about, try to give a half assed intellectual study of a genre they know nothing about.
Goths are not as conceited as you say we are, god forbid if we dont wear polo shirts and khakis like everyone else. Could it be that even though we use the name goth, we could actually be nice people? Could it be that we see things you dont? Could it be that we know more about beauty than you do?

So i say, why dont you Shut the Fuck up, and learn more about something before you bash it.

]]> By: The Spectator http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-793927 The Spectator Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:30:37 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-793927 Funny piece, though I don't doubt the Byzantines conquered the Goths: the latter sacked Rome and founded what became known as the "Holy Roman Empire" in the early middle ages, which was, of course, neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire. "Gothic" was indeed a term of derision for a long time in Western Europe. This changed starting in the 18th century with what we call the "gothic/medieval revival" when some British writers began to appreciate the grandeur of their native architecture as opposed to foreign classical models. The late 18th century also saw the birth of the reviled and admired "gothic novel". Why modern goths are called goths is still beyond me. Funny piece, though I don't doubt the Byzantines conquered the Goths: the latter sacked Rome and founded what became known as the "Holy Roman Empire" in the early middle ages, which was, of course, neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.

"Gothic" was indeed a term of derision for a long time in Western Europe. This changed starting in the 18th century with what we call the "gothic/medieval revival" when some British writers began to appreciate the grandeur of their native architecture as opposed to foreign classical models. The late 18th century also saw the birth of the reviled and admired "gothic novel".

Why modern goths are called goths is still beyond me.

]]> By: Johann http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-778685 Johann Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:17:56 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-778685 yeah i used to be a HUGE goth in high school because i wanted to prove to everyone that i didn't care what they thought of me. i ended up realizing that i was only proving how much their opinions did matter to me and now i'm just a pothead trying to figure it out. yeah i used to be a HUGE goth in high school because i wanted to prove to everyone that i didn't care what they thought of me. i ended up realizing that i was only proving how much their opinions did matter to me and now i'm just a pothead trying to figure it out.

]]> By: shallytally http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-763819 shallytally Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:55:26 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-763819 I want to die, but I want to dress up first. I want to die, but I want to dress up first.

]]> By: Carmabelle http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-763239 Carmabelle Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:05:51 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-763239 HAHA! omg. the whole concept is funny. Gothic people nowadays are such posers. Everyone gets depressed so shut up. and i love MCR. HAHA! omg. the whole concept is funny. Gothic people nowadays are such posers. Everyone gets depressed so shut up.
and i love MCR.

]]> By: MW http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-727571 MW Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:33:40 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-727571 If they want to look like death, why not just die? If they want to look like death, why not just die?

]]> By: Thomas http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-725932 Thomas Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:39:15 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-725932 Come on, there's a little emo in everybody. At the end of the day, we all go home, put on some Saves The Day and cry ourselves to sleep. Come on, there's a little emo in everybody. At the end of the day, we all go home, put on some Saves The Day and cry ourselves to sleep.

]]> By: Mayor of Kentonville http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-725473 Mayor of Kentonville Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:11:23 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-725473 Hilarity Ensues Hilarity Ensues

]]> By: JC http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-725002 JC Sat, 09 Aug 2008 07:05:57 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-725002 Do they have a philosophy? Do they have a philosophy?

]]> By: shadesong http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-724824 shadesong Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:20:58 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-724824 what would a 3rd century goth think if he saw a goth of today :D what would a 3rd century goth think if he saw a goth of today :D

]]> By: Lea http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-723898 Lea Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:54:06 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-723898 I love MCR and my hair is purple but lord. Never had the money, the patience or...I don't know what happened. I guess I grew up? *gasp* I love MCR and my hair is purple but lord. Never had the money, the patience or...I don't know what happened. I guess I grew up?
*gasp*

]]> By: Sofar http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-723240 Sofar Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:10:50 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-723240 Lordy lordy, I didn't read that last bit before I posted. I repeated something that had already been mentioned. Lordy lordy, I didn't read that last bit before I posted. I repeated something that had already been mentioned.

]]> By: Sofar http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-723227 Sofar Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:09:32 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-723227 Actually it's the French that wanted to call Gothic architecture "in the French style," they thought they invented it. It didn't really begin to be called "Gothic architecture" until after it had gone out of style, back in the day "Goth" meant barbarian or plebian, something "Gothic" was barbaric. And the old styles of architecture certainly seemed barbaric in comparison to the new Classical Revival styles coming in from Italy by the time the Renaissance rolled around. @Matt: There's a place in my heart for My Chemical Romance, but then again I'm neither emo nor goth. Actually it's the French that wanted to call Gothic architecture "in the French style," they thought they invented it. It didn't really begin to be called "Gothic architecture" until after it had gone out of style, back in the day "Goth" meant barbarian or plebian, something "Gothic" was barbaric. And the old styles of architecture certainly seemed barbaric in comparison to the new Classical Revival styles coming in from Italy by the time the Renaissance rolled around.

@Matt: There's a place in my heart for My Chemical Romance, but then again I'm neither emo nor goth.

]]> By: clinton labombard http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-722051 clinton labombard Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:14:05 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-722051 Yup. Just fashion, and that's according to a long-time old-school goth friend of mine. Goth used to mean something.. for about 5 minutes and then the production managers got up from the meeting table to make some money. Yup. Just fashion, and that's according to a long-time old-school goth friend of mine. Goth used to mean something.. for about 5 minutes and then the production managers got up from the meeting table to make some money.

]]> By: Tim Giachetti http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-721698 Tim Giachetti Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:04:51 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-721698 I'm so non goth I Romed my sack. :P And someone needs to shoot that silly bastard on the right. Grow up loooooser. I'm so non goth I Romed my sack. :P

And someone needs to shoot that silly bastard on the right. Grow up loooooser.

]]> By: JivesTheButler http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-721690 JivesTheButler Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:01:35 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-721690 I'm so Goth I sacked Rome! I'm so Goth I sacked Rome!

]]> By: Evilbeagle http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-721613 Evilbeagle Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:34:04 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-721613 The 3rd century Goths were way cooler. The 3rd century Goths were way cooler.

]]> By: Shea http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-721428 Shea Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:23:05 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-721428 "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: the fashionable non-conformist." -Ayn Rand "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: the fashionable non-conformist." -Ayn Rand

]]> By: matt http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-721376 matt Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:03:26 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/08/goths-then-and-now/#comment-721376 this is slightly tangental - i've often laughed in bewilderment at how another popular music/fashion melding has come to change, and even in a far shorter amount of time span of about 20 years - "emo." emo i "grew up" with: bands? Rites of Spring, Frail, Embrace, etc fashion? nerd glasses, backpacks, sweaters, library card attitude? destroy capitalism, create and distribute poetry & art zines, scream your heart out about love, life struggles, the state of the world emo nowadays: bands? um... i honestly don't know... My Chemical Romance? anything that makes me want to punch myself in the face, i suppose. fashion? basically, what i would call "goth lite." attitude? make expensive MTV videos and get the girls. this is slightly tangental - i've often laughed in bewilderment at how another popular music/fashion melding has come to change, and even in a far shorter amount of time span of about 20 years - "emo."

emo i "grew up" with:
bands? Rites of Spring, Frail, Embrace, etc
fashion? nerd glasses, backpacks, sweaters, library card
attitude? destroy capitalism, create and distribute poetry & art zines, scream your heart out about love, life struggles, the state of the world

emo nowadays:
bands? um... i honestly don't know... My Chemical Romance? anything that makes me want to punch myself in the face, i suppose.
fashion? basically, what i would call "goth lite."
attitude? make expensive MTV videos and get the girls.

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