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	<title>Comments on: 10 Things You Didn&#039;t Know About Oil</title>
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		<title>By: Billyjack</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-1835711</link>
		<dc:creator>Billyjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally a little truth about oil. Without oil there wouldn&#039;t be any whales alive today. Might also want to add that no healthy people have died in a smog in NYC ro London since we started burning fuel oil and natural gas rhater than wood or coal at the turn of the century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally a little truth about oil. Without oil there wouldn't be any whales alive today. Might also want to add that no healthy people have died in a smog in NYC ro London since we started burning fuel oil and natural gas rhater than wood or coal at the turn of the century.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-1495151</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is if Oil now has dropped like asteroid why have the gas prices not followed suit???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is if Oil now has dropped like asteroid why have the gas prices not followed suit???</p>
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		<title>By: 4arc</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-1199282</link>
		<dc:creator>4arc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>learned recently that the best selling car in the world last year was the 4Litre engine ford pick-up truck. This was based on sales in the US alone.
Very dissapointing in an age of such uncertainty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>learned recently that the best selling car in the world last year was the 4Litre engine ford pick-up truck. This was based on sales in the US alone.<br />
Very dissapointing in an age of such uncertainty.</p>
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		<title>By: sigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But one thing is for sure: if the 1970s oil crises were any indications, high gas prices are here to stay.&quot;

I bought gas for $1.95/gal today and I was paying around $4.00/gal when this article was written.  Guess one thing isn&#039;t &quot;for sure.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"But one thing is for sure: if the 1970s oil crises were any indications, high gas prices are here to stay."</p>
<p>I bought gas for $1.95/gal today and I was paying around $4.00/gal when this article was written.  Guess one thing isn't "for sure."</p>
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		<title>By: Trudie</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-1123682</link>
		<dc:creator>Trudie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good site, good short contents of the good work. Congratulations !,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good site, good short contents of the good work. Congratulations !,</p>
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		<title>By: InSpain</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-1116664</link>
		<dc:creator>InSpain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Spain we call oil Dick Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Spain we call oil Dick Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: nosidnal</title>
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		<dc:creator>nosidnal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 02:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great contribution, Donna! Get &#039;em!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great contribution, Donna! Get 'em!</p>
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		<title>By: Numnuts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Numnuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say, why not up the price of a bushel of wheat to $140 and see how oil producing nations like that !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say, why not up the price of a bushel of wheat to $140 and see how oil producing nations like that !</p>
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		<title>By: zipperlip</title>
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		<dc:creator>zipperlip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;David Govett &lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;$12 a barrel in the 1970s may seem quaint to you, but adjusted for inflation, it’s not very different from the current price.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I call BS.
I was around and buying gas (among other things) in 1973 and can say from experience the cost to income ratio is widely different.

12 1973 US dollars had the purchasing power in 2007 of $56 US, yet the current price of a bbl is approx $115.

You can play with an inflation adjuster &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.measuringworth.com/ppowerus/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here &lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s quite an eye opener.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>David Govett </b><br />
<i>"$12 a barrel in the 1970s may seem quaint to you, but adjusted for inflation, it’s not very different from the current price."</i></p>
<p>I call BS.<br />
I was around and buying gas (among other things) in 1973 and can say from experience the cost to income ratio is widely different.</p>
<p>12 1973 US dollars had the purchasing power in 2007 of $56 US, yet the current price of a bbl is approx $115.</p>
<p>You can play with an inflation adjuster <a href="http://www.measuringworth.com/ppowerus/index.php" rel="nofollow"> here </a></p>
<p>It's quite an eye opener.</p>
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		<title>By: David Govett</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Govett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$12 a barrel in the 1970s may seem quaint to you, but adjusted for inflation, it&#039;s not very different from the current price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$12 a barrel in the 1970s may seem quaint to you, but adjusted for inflation, it's not very different from the current price.</p>
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		<title>By: COMALite J</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-766117</link>
		<dc:creator>COMALite J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pagantek and others who believe in abiotic oil (or at least DEEP abiotic oil, i.e. “The Deep Hot Biosphere”), watch as I flatly disprove it before your very eyes.

To do so, try EITHER ONE of these simple experiments, at least one of which you probably performed for yourself as a child more than once (#1 most likely, #2 if your childhood predates the compact audio disc [aka “CD”]):

1. Sit on a merry-go-round, and have someone spin it for you. Try sitting in different places: at the center (or as close as you can if the particular merry-go-round has a central pole), at the edge, hanging off the edge and holding on to the outer bar for dear life, and somewhere in-between. Note the difference in the centrifugal force you experience at each location. At what point do you HAVE to hold on to the bar or other part of the structure to avoid being hurled off?

2. If you&#039;re old enough to remember phonograph records, or still have a phonograph (maybe you&#039;re a DJ?), try placing a tiddly-wink (or coin if the record itself isn&#039;t too valuable and you don&#039;t mind it being scratched) on the record while it&#039;s turning at a constant speed (45RPM for a single, 33.333… RPM for an LP). Try placing the tiddly-wink on the paper label, near the paper label but still on the slipperier vinyl part, and closer to the edge. At what point does the centrifugal force cause the tiddly-wink to fly off? Near the edge, or closer to the center?

So what do we learn from this, boys and girls? Answer: at a given rotational speed (RPMs), centrifugal force INCREASES with distance from the CENTER of rotation!

Now imagine that Mt. Everest up and moved to the Equator, and that you stood at its summit. At the Equator, given the above, the centrifugal force would be greatest, and standing on the highest point on the planet while also at the equator would make it greater still. Would it be enough to overcome gravity and hurl you into space or even into the air a short distance? No. Not even close.

The Earth rotates such that a given point at sea level at the Equator moves at about 1,000MPH. Being on the summit of Mt. Everest would add little to that, as compared to the Earth as a whole, even Mt. Everest is insignificant (if the Earth were the size of a pool cue ball, and all its mountains and ocean trenches were scaled accordingly, it would be much smoother than a brand new cue ball). This rotational velocity does help when launching spacecraft, which is why NASA has its launch facilities near Miami and Houston instead of Bangor, Maine or Pt. Barrow, Alaska — specifically to get as close as possible to the Equator.

Now, if the centrifugal force on MOUNTAINS or at the EQUATOR isn&#039;t enough to hurl people nor objects into the air with NOTHING ABOVE THEM TO STOP THEM *EXCEPT* FOR AIR ITSELF (even the considerably less dense air at high mountain elevations!), do you HONESTLY expect us to believe that THICK CRUDE PETROLEUM formed DEEP BELOW THE CRUST (which we have never managed to drill below), somehow gets hurled AGAINST not only GRAVITY but THROUGH the “pores” of SOLID GRANITE (what the mantle is made of! This ain’t sandstone or shale, let alone pumice, we’re talking about here!), by MUCH WEAKER CENTRIFUGAL FORCE deep INSIDE the Earth, not to mention near the POLES (or else why are so many oil fields in places like NORTHERN ALASKA [ANWR, don&#039;cha know, not to mention Prudhoe Bay] and SIBERIA!?) which would ALSO weaken the centrifugal force!?

So much for THAT hypothesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pagantek and others who believe in abiotic oil (or at least DEEP abiotic oil, i.e. “The Deep Hot Biosphere”), watch as I flatly disprove it before your very eyes.</p>
<p>To do so, try EITHER ONE of these simple experiments, at least one of which you probably performed for yourself as a child more than once (#1 most likely, #2 if your childhood predates the compact audio disc [aka “CD”]):</p>
<p>1. Sit on a merry-go-round, and have someone spin it for you. Try sitting in different places: at the center (or as close as you can if the particular merry-go-round has a central pole), at the edge, hanging off the edge and holding on to the outer bar for dear life, and somewhere in-between. Note the difference in the centrifugal force you experience at each location. At what point do you HAVE to hold on to the bar or other part of the structure to avoid being hurled off?</p>
<p>2. If you're old enough to remember phonograph records, or still have a phonograph (maybe you're a DJ?), try placing a tiddly-wink (or coin if the record itself isn't too valuable and you don't mind it being scratched) on the record while it's turning at a constant speed (45RPM for a single, 33.333… RPM for an LP). Try placing the tiddly-wink on the paper label, near the paper label but still on the slipperier vinyl part, and closer to the edge. At what point does the centrifugal force cause the tiddly-wink to fly off? Near the edge, or closer to the center?</p>
<p>So what do we learn from this, boys and girls? Answer: at a given rotational speed (RPMs), centrifugal force INCREASES with distance from the CENTER of rotation!</p>
<p>Now imagine that Mt. Everest up and moved to the Equator, and that you stood at its summit. At the Equator, given the above, the centrifugal force would be greatest, and standing on the highest point on the planet while also at the equator would make it greater still. Would it be enough to overcome gravity and hurl you into space or even into the air a short distance? No. Not even close.</p>
<p>The Earth rotates such that a given point at sea level at the Equator moves at about 1,000MPH. Being on the summit of Mt. Everest would add little to that, as compared to the Earth as a whole, even Mt. Everest is insignificant (if the Earth were the size of a pool cue ball, and all its mountains and ocean trenches were scaled accordingly, it would be much smoother than a brand new cue ball). This rotational velocity does help when launching spacecraft, which is why NASA has its launch facilities near Miami and Houston instead of Bangor, Maine or Pt. Barrow, Alaska — specifically to get as close as possible to the Equator.</p>
<p>Now, if the centrifugal force on MOUNTAINS or at the EQUATOR isn't enough to hurl people nor objects into the air with NOTHING ABOVE THEM TO STOP THEM *EXCEPT* FOR AIR ITSELF (even the considerably less dense air at high mountain elevations!), do you HONESTLY expect us to believe that THICK CRUDE PETROLEUM formed DEEP BELOW THE CRUST (which we have never managed to drill below), somehow gets hurled AGAINST not only GRAVITY but THROUGH the “pores” of SOLID GRANITE (what the mantle is made of! This ain’t sandstone or shale, let alone pumice, we’re talking about here!), by MUCH WEAKER CENTRIFUGAL FORCE deep INSIDE the Earth, not to mention near the POLES (or else why are so many oil fields in places like NORTHERN ALASKA [ANWR, don'cha know, not to mention Prudhoe Bay] and SIBERIA!?) which would ALSO weaken the centrifugal force!?</p>
<p>So much for THAT hypothesis.</p>
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		<title>By: pagantek</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-762775</link>
		<dc:creator>pagantek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petroleum is an abiotic resource produced deep within the mantle and has nothing to do with prehistoric anything.  It&#039;s sad to see that this dinofuel myth is still around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petroleum is an abiotic resource produced deep within the mantle and has nothing to do with prehistoric anything.  It's sad to see that this dinofuel myth is still around.</p>
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		<title>By: Petrushka</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-762442</link>
		<dc:creator>Petrushka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of factually misleading points here, for reference:

(1) The Greek for &quot;rock&quot; is &quot;petra&quot;, not &quot;petros&quot;. (&quot;Petros&quot; comes from when Jesus made a pun on the word in giving Simon Peter his new name -- &quot;petra&quot;/&quot;rock&quot; is feminine; &quot;petros&quot;, the form Jesus invented, is masculine.)

(2) There&#039;s no certainty that Greek fire contained petroleum. There are several other possibilities, and no particular reason to prefer the petroleum hypothesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of factually misleading points here, for reference:</p>
<p>(1) The Greek for "rock" is "petra", not "petros". ("Petros" comes from when Jesus made a pun on the word in giving Simon Peter his new name -- "petra"/"rock" is feminine; "petros", the form Jesus invented, is masculine.)</p>
<p>(2) There's no certainty that Greek fire contained petroleum. There are several other possibilities, and no particular reason to prefer the petroleum hypothesis.</p>
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		<title>By: bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-761655</link>
		<dc:creator>bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a list of products made with crude oil..

Air conditioners, ammonia, anti-histamines, antiseptics, artificial turf, asphalt, aspirin, balloons, bandages, boats, bottles, bras, bubble gum, butane, cameras, candles, car batteries, car bodies, carpet, cassette tapes, caulking, CDs, chewing gum, cold, combs/brushes, computers, contacts, cortisone, crayons, cream, denture adhesives, deodorant, detergents, dice, dishwashing liquid, dresses, dryers, electric blankets, electrician’s tape, fertilisers, fishing lures, fishing nets, fishing rods, floor wax, footballs, glues, glycerin, golf balls, guitar strings, hair, hair colouring, hair curlers, hearing aids, heart valves, heating oil, house paint, ice chests, ink, insect repellent, insulation, jet fuel, life jackets, linoleum, lip balm, lipstick, loudspeakers, medicines, mops, motor oil, motorcycle helmets, movie film, nail polish, nylons, oil filters, paddles, paint brushes, paints, parachutes, paraffin, pens, perfumes, petroleum jelly, plastic chairs, plastic cups, plastic forks, plastic wrap, plastics, plywood adhesives, refrigerators, roller-skate wheels, roofing paper, rubber bands, rubber boots, rubber cement, rubbish bags, running shoes, saccharine, seals, shirts (non-cotton), shoe polish, shoes, shower curtains, solvents, solvents, spectacles, stereos, sweaters, table tennis balls, tape recorders, telephones, tennis rackets, thermos, tights, toilet seats, toners, toothpaste, transparencies, transparent tape, TV cabinets, typewriter/computer ribbons, tyres, umbrellas, upholstery, vaporisers, vitamin capsules, volleyballs, water pipes, water skis, wax and wax paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a list of products made with crude oil..</p>
<p>Air conditioners, ammonia, anti-histamines, antiseptics, artificial turf, asphalt, aspirin, balloons, bandages, boats, bottles, bras, bubble gum, butane, cameras, candles, car batteries, car bodies, carpet, cassette tapes, caulking, CDs, chewing gum, cold, combs/brushes, computers, contacts, cortisone, crayons, cream, denture adhesives, deodorant, detergents, dice, dishwashing liquid, dresses, dryers, electric blankets, electrician’s tape, fertilisers, fishing lures, fishing nets, fishing rods, floor wax, footballs, glues, glycerin, golf balls, guitar strings, hair, hair colouring, hair curlers, hearing aids, heart valves, heating oil, house paint, ice chests, ink, insect repellent, insulation, jet fuel, life jackets, linoleum, lip balm, lipstick, loudspeakers, medicines, mops, motor oil, motorcycle helmets, movie film, nail polish, nylons, oil filters, paddles, paint brushes, paints, parachutes, paraffin, pens, perfumes, petroleum jelly, plastic chairs, plastic cups, plastic forks, plastic wrap, plastics, plywood adhesives, refrigerators, roller-skate wheels, roofing paper, rubber bands, rubber boots, rubber cement, rubbish bags, running shoes, saccharine, seals, shirts (non-cotton), shoe polish, shoes, shower curtains, solvents, solvents, spectacles, stereos, sweaters, table tennis balls, tape recorders, telephones, tennis rackets, thermos, tights, toilet seats, toners, toothpaste, transparencies, transparent tape, TV cabinets, typewriter/computer ribbons, tyres, umbrellas, upholstery, vaporisers, vitamin capsules, volleyballs, water pipes, water skis, wax and wax paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-761610</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@doubter - data is from US Department of Energy, prepared for the Office of Naval Petroleum and Oil Shale Reserves / Office of Deputy Assistant Secretary for Petroleum Reserves. If you look closer, decline in petroleum production occurred before the black line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@doubter - data is from US Department of Energy, prepared for the Office of Naval Petroleum and Oil Shale Reserves / Office of Deputy Assistant Secretary for Petroleum Reserves. If you look closer, decline in petroleum production occurred before the black line.</p>
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		<title>By: Echelon</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760759</link>
		<dc:creator>Echelon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone mentioned The Oil Drum above...I too am a big fan.  It&#039;s a difficult site to really grab on to--long posts, academically oriented.  However, I have learned so much about energy, oil, etc., there...

http://theoildrum.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone mentioned The Oil Drum above...I too am a big fan.  It's a difficult site to really grab on to--long posts, academically oriented.  However, I have learned so much about energy, oil, etc., there...</p>
<p><a href="http://theoildrum.com" rel="nofollow">http://theoildrum.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: doubter</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760495</link>
		<dc:creator>doubter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok -- so your peak oil stuff doesn&#039;t make any sense.

The USA gets the majority of it&#039;s oil from Canada... with just under 2000 barrels a day.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/popup?id=1566549

And we get all of our oil from 14 sources or so...

We&#039;re talking about importing 10000 barrels a day... which according to the peak oil graph is less than a 3rd of the worlds petro.

If you look at the source data and date on the graph it&#039;s 2003... if you look at where the decline in petro production occurs... it&#039;s AFTER any STATISTICAL DATA... note the black line... so again... this is just speculation.

And your data is from Wikipedia... which has been wrong more than once.

It is however nice to see that (even though it&#039;s in parenthesis) you note that part of the reason for the insane oil is the declining value of the dollar.  As long as our dollar continues to decline or stays low... and even the CANADIAN dollar is worth more... petro and gas will be expensive... any fuel or product we import from outside the country will be expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok -- so your peak oil stuff doesn't make any sense.</p>
<p>The USA gets the majority of it's oil from Canada... with just under 2000 barrels a day.<br />
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/popup?id=1566549" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/International/popup?id=1566549</a></p>
<p>And we get all of our oil from 14 sources or so...</p>
<p>We're talking about importing 10000 barrels a day... which according to the peak oil graph is less than a 3rd of the worlds petro.</p>
<p>If you look at the source data and date on the graph it's 2003... if you look at where the decline in petro production occurs... it's AFTER any STATISTICAL DATA... note the black line... so again... this is just speculation.</p>
<p>And your data is from Wikipedia... which has been wrong more than once.</p>
<p>It is however nice to see that (even though it's in parenthesis) you note that part of the reason for the insane oil is the declining value of the dollar.  As long as our dollar continues to decline or stays low... and even the CANADIAN dollar is worth more... petro and gas will be expensive... any fuel or product we import from outside the country will be expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fun to watch as people start learning details about a thing that&#039;s absolutely crucial to their lives, that they always took for granted before.  And I&#039;m not being sarcastic or snarky.

Xma:  The Oil Drum does have some good analysts but the site has become a magnet for a few dozen lunatic-fringe types--the ones who just can&#039;t wait for the U.S. to be brought down by reliance on oil, or who are looking forward to the extinction of mankind.  Doesn&#039;t take many folks like that to swamp the good stuff.

Thule&#039;s right about the 20 million barrels per day being *total* U.S. consumption, not imports.  

Biogenic versus abiogenic theory of the origin of oil (and gas):  Google &quot;Thomas Gold&quot;--he&#039;s summarized the competing arguments quite well.  Abiogenic is the clear winner, and this is great news, because it boosts the area of the earth&#039;s surface that&#039;s likely to produce commercial amounts of oil by a factor of 3 or 4.  That&#039;s good.

Seomul:  While shopping over the internet is definitely convenient, I&#039;m not clear on how you&#039;re getting a physical product shipped to your door without using oil or its derivative, gasoline.  Maybe your ISP is using one of those *reeeally* broadband connections I keep hearing about. 

Lenore: Got a source for your claim that China&#039;s pollution is 1/5 that of the U.S.?  Generally the emerging economies are unburdened by all those pesky EPA regs on emissions of *real* pollution.  Or are you in the camp that regards CO2 as a &quot;pollutant&quot;.  If so, I guess you could always do your part by holding your breath.

Cheers and good wishes to all.  There&#039;s a great deal of information out there that&#039;s not hidden, but most of you have almost certainly never heard it.  When you find it, you might ask why no one told you in school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's fun to watch as people start learning details about a thing that's absolutely crucial to their lives, that they always took for granted before.  And I'm not being sarcastic or snarky.</p>
<p>Xma:  The Oil Drum does have some good analysts but the site has become a magnet for a few dozen lunatic-fringe types--the ones who just can't wait for the U.S. to be brought down by reliance on oil, or who are looking forward to the extinction of mankind.  Doesn't take many folks like that to swamp the good stuff.</p>
<p>Thule's right about the 20 million barrels per day being *total* U.S. consumption, not imports.  </p>
<p>Biogenic versus abiogenic theory of the origin of oil (and gas):  Google "Thomas Gold"--he's summarized the competing arguments quite well.  Abiogenic is the clear winner, and this is great news, because it boosts the area of the earth's surface that's likely to produce commercial amounts of oil by a factor of 3 or 4.  That's good.</p>
<p>Seomul:  While shopping over the internet is definitely convenient, I'm not clear on how you're getting a physical product shipped to your door without using oil or its derivative, gasoline.  Maybe your ISP is using one of those *reeeally* broadband connections I keep hearing about. </p>
<p>Lenore: Got a source for your claim that China's pollution is 1/5 that of the U.S.?  Generally the emerging economies are unburdened by all those pesky EPA regs on emissions of *real* pollution.  Or are you in the camp that regards CO2 as a "pollutant".  If so, I guess you could always do your part by holding your breath.</p>
<p>Cheers and good wishes to all.  There's a great deal of information out there that's not hidden, but most of you have almost certainly never heard it.  When you find it, you might ask why no one told you in school.</p>
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		<title>By: Willy</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760469</link>
		<dc:creator>Willy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually price inelastic means that a huge jump in prices will only cause a small drop in demand. Which is still true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually price inelastic means that a huge jump in prices will only cause a small drop in demand. Which is still true.</p>
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		<title>By: AlternaWatt</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760455</link>
		<dc:creator>AlternaWatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent article. Peak oil is a reality and whether it has already occured, is occuring now, or will occur in the future, one this is sure: eventually we will no longer have access to affordable oil and oil-based products. 

Dow Chemical, which you mention above, is evidence of that with recent increases of up to 25% in the price of its products. Same for Air Liquide America: 

http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=210101875

Oil is the driving force behind most of the adversity we&#039;ve seen lately from the resource war in Iraq to the tensions centered around the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline where Russia and the U.S., by proxy of Georgia, are staring each other down over missile defense shields and tactical nuclear weapons.

A general study of peak oil will bear out these intricancies and more some may never have thought of. Connecting the dots with regard to oil exposes just how vulnerable our existance, based on this finite resource, has become. 

But, alas, there are some hopeful things happening in the transition to alternative and renewable energy technologies which will hopefully one day reduce our dependence on oil. Google.org, the philanthropic arm of Google, Inc., in investing $10.25 million in geothermal research and development. Not that large for a company as stout as Google but I&#039;ll take whatever I can get. 

http://alternawatt.info/2008/08/20/google-goes-gagga-for-geothermal/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent article. Peak oil is a reality and whether it has already occured, is occuring now, or will occur in the future, one this is sure: eventually we will no longer have access to affordable oil and oil-based products. </p>
<p>Dow Chemical, which you mention above, is evidence of that with recent increases of up to 25% in the price of its products. Same for Air Liquide America: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=210101875" rel="nofollow">http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=210101875</a> </p>
<p>Oil is the driving force behind most of the adversity we've seen lately from the resource war in Iraq to the tensions centered around the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline where Russia and the U.S., by proxy of Georgia, are staring each other down over missile defense shields and tactical nuclear weapons.</p>
<p>A general study of peak oil will bear out these intricancies and more some may never have thought of. Connecting the dots with regard to oil exposes just how vulnerable our existance, based on this finite resource, has become. </p>
<p>But, alas, there are some hopeful things happening in the transition to alternative and renewable energy technologies which will hopefully one day reduce our dependence on oil. Google.org, the philanthropic arm of Google, Inc., in investing $10.25 million in geothermal research and development. Not that large for a company as stout as Google but I'll take whatever I can get. </p>
<p><a href="http://alternawatt.info/2008/08/20/google-goes-gagga-for-geothermal/" rel="nofollow">http://alternawatt.info/2008/08/20/google-goes-gagga-for-geothermal/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760419</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure Vince, Blame the Democrats for everything. The Republicans are Saints right? Please!

Bush.. Nuff Said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure Vince, Blame the Democrats for everything. The Republicans are Saints right? Please!</p>
<p>Bush.. Nuff Said.</p>
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		<title>By: thule126</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760398</link>
		<dc:creator>thule126</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

Interesting point.  One minor correction.  The United States doesn&#039;t import 20 million barrels of oil a day.  It _consumes_ 20 million, but of that, maybe 6 or 7 is produced domestically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>Interesting point.  One minor correction.  The United States doesn't import 20 million barrels of oil a day.  It _consumes_ 20 million, but of that, maybe 6 or 7 is produced domestically.</p>
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		<title>By: Xma</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760397</link>
		<dc:creator>Xma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/#comment-760397</guid>
		<description>For LOTS of information on oil, and more specifically about the peak oil question, have a look a www.theoildrum.com , a very good source of discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For LOTS of information on oil, and more specifically about the peak oil question, have a look a <a href="http://www.theoildrum.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.theoildrum.com</a> , a very good source of discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: j destefano</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760354</link>
		<dc:creator>j destefano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/#comment-760354</guid>
		<description>Lets really think about this...HEMP FUEL...Renewable source that anyone can grow...Henry Ford built a car and ran it with hemp ....5000 years we as humans lived best with it as a natural food source and clothing, paper, building materials and it cures cancer!!!! our new world government stopped us because some people smoked it...but dow and the other petrolium based companies made it into a drug..so it became illeagal to make paper,oil,food,cloth and medicine on your farm in the U.S.A. ..our constitution is printed on hemp paper and since then our school books were all made from hemp paper, till big oil said it was a drug ,,,cmon now....he who has the money makes the laws..save the constitution ..save the earth.....GLBB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets really think about this...HEMP FUEL...Renewable source that anyone can grow...Henry Ford built a car and ran it with hemp ....5000 years we as humans lived best with it as a natural food source and clothing, paper, building materials and it cures cancer!!!! our new world government stopped us because some people smoked it...but dow and the other petrolium based companies made it into a drug..so it became illeagal to make paper,oil,food,cloth and medicine on your farm in the U.S.A. ..our constitution is printed on hemp paper and since then our school books were all made from hemp paper, till big oil said it was a drug ,,,cmon now....he who has the money makes the laws..save the constitution ..save the earth.....GLBB</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760327</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If #2 is true, #10 is NOT moot.

Even if the Earth is producing oil, it&#039;s only doing so at a low rate, and only a small fraction of this oil is actually reachable using our existing technology.

We&#039;ve already pumped the easy to get oil.  We&#039;re working on the harder to get oil.  Perhaps in a few thousand years, there will be more easy to get oil -- but only if we all kill ourselves first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If #2 is true, #10 is NOT moot.</p>
<p>Even if the Earth is producing oil, it's only doing so at a low rate, and only a small fraction of this oil is actually reachable using our existing technology.</p>
<p>We've already pumped the easy to get oil.  We're working on the harder to get oil.  Perhaps in a few thousand years, there will be more easy to get oil -- but only if we all kill ourselves first.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Raab</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760326</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Raab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/#comment-760326</guid>
		<description>The price of gasoline in the United States is ridiculously cheap, compared to the rest of the world.  Although, the ignorance of most of the people of the United States would have you think otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The price of gasoline in the United States is ridiculously cheap, compared to the rest of the world.  Although, the ignorance of most of the people of the United States would have you think otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: The Tuesday Night Tech Show</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760324</link>
		<dc:creator>The Tuesday Night Tech Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/#comment-760324</guid>
		<description>You can get the current price of a barrel of oil and petroleum headline news right on your iPhone or Touch at http://oilprices.ifthensoft.com. Neat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can get the current price of a barrel of oil and petroleum headline news right on your iPhone or Touch at <a href="http://oilprices.ifthensoft.com" rel="nofollow">http://oilprices.ifthensoft.com</a>. Neat!</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760289</link>
		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read that due to changes in the molecular structure, the refineries actually get ~44 gallons of product from a 42 gallon barrel of oil.  From that you get:
    * 19.5 gallons of gasoline
    * 9 gallons of fuel oil
    * 4 gallons of jet fuel
    * 11 gallons of other products

link: http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html#dollar

I&#039;ve also read that the retail value of a refined barrel of oil is worth &gt;$1000 mainly from the sale of  the &#039;other products&#039;.  In other words, the revenue from the gasoline and other fuel oils is a drop in the bucket compared to the other products.  However, I have not been able to find any hard data on this info.  Anyone, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've read that due to changes in the molecular structure, the refineries actually get ~44 gallons of product from a 42 gallon barrel of oil.  From that you get:<br />
    * 19.5 gallons of gasoline<br />
    * 9 gallons of fuel oil<br />
    * 4 gallons of jet fuel<br />
    * 11 gallons of other products</p>
<p>link: <a href="http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html#dollar" rel="nofollow">http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html#dollar</a></p>
<p>I've also read that the retail value of a refined barrel of oil is worth &gt;$1000 mainly from the sale of  the 'other products'.  In other words, the revenue from the gasoline and other fuel oils is a drop in the bucket compared to the other products.  However, I have not been able to find any hard data on this info.  Anyone, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Beam</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760262</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Beam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool dude, learn something new every day!

RD
www.FireMe.To/udi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool dude, learn something new every day!</p>
<p>RD<br />
<a href="http://www.FireMe.To/udi" rel="nofollow">http://www.FireMe.To/udi</a></p>
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		<title>By: Seomul</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/06/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-760251</link>
		<dc:creator>Seomul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is why our business is booming... while some drive to buy things others (the smarter ones) click to buy things with a carbon print of Zero! Viva internet marketing and online shopping!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is why our business is booming... while some drive to buy things others (the smarter ones) click to buy things with a carbon print of Zero! Viva internet marketing and online shopping!</p>
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