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	<title>Comments on: Autistic Boy and Mom Kicked Off Flight</title>
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		<title>By: drgnbttrfly</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-1869345</link>
		<dc:creator>drgnbttrfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my boys is autistic.  If the stewardess grabbed at him (a stranger) or his seatbelt it would freak him out.  I have seen situations like this (personally) rapidly go downhill when people don&#039;t listen to the parent because they ASSUME your child is a brat.  I don&#039;t know if she told the airline ahead of time, she was probably more than willing to adjust his seatbelt repeatedly.  He was buckled but they kept screwing with him.  When strangers try to touch my son he trips out.  Most drugs safe for airline travel as is common with many kids...don&#039;t work with my son and the more upset he is the more he has to burn through it to crash.  I imagine mom was hysterical and bewildered.  It is hard enough taking an autistic child into any unusual circumstance like a new store.  This was already hard on her.  Autism changes families not just the child who is born with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my boys is autistic.  If the stewardess grabbed at him (a stranger) or his seatbelt it would freak him out.  I have seen situations like this (personally) rapidly go downhill when people don't listen to the parent because they ASSUME your child is a brat.  I don't know if she told the airline ahead of time, she was probably more than willing to adjust his seatbelt repeatedly.  He was buckled but they kept screwing with him.  When strangers try to touch my son he trips out.  Most drugs safe for airline travel as is common with many kids...don't work with my son and the more upset he is the more he has to burn through it to crash.  I imagine mom was hysterical and bewildered.  It is hard enough taking an autistic child into any unusual circumstance like a new store.  This was already hard on her.  Autism changes families not just the child who is born with it.</p>
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		<title>By: cherie</title>
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		<dc:creator>cherie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading this and these oppin I agree there was a great concern of the airline to keep a safe and on time flight but I agree if the flight attendants were aware of the situation an autistic child they probably could of handled this situation . Although for those ignorance comments of Autism its real ! and obviously you dont know anyone with autism so maybe someday you will or have a child of your own with autism lets see how you handle it?? I was recently in a mall with an autistic child I work with and a lady made a comment some parents have no control its not about control when they go in these rages they are unaware of their surroundings....so unless your an expert in autism maybe you should think twice before you voice your oppinion,,,,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this and these oppin I agree there was a great concern of the airline to keep a safe and on time flight but I agree if the flight attendants were aware of the situation an autistic child they probably could of handled this situation . Although for those ignorance comments of Autism its real ! and obviously you dont know anyone with autism so maybe someday you will or have a child of your own with autism lets see how you handle it?? I was recently in a mall with an autistic child I work with and a lady made a comment some parents have no control its not about control when they go in these rages they are unaware of their surroundings....so unless your an expert in autism maybe you should think twice before you voice your oppinion,,,,</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn!Thats against the disabity act in EVERY COUNTRY,the mam should sue the airline she has them hung she can get millions out of this besides this was&#039;nt the aspergers and aspergers kids actually tend to obey the rules and tons of them are interested in airplanes and aviation 
so there is two points against disibility act:
1.Blaming actions which are not due to disablement on disibility
and
2.Not allowing travel due to disablement
If that mam sues which i would advise her too she will get that airline closed down more than likely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn!Thats against the disabity act in EVERY COUNTRY,the mam should sue the airline she has them hung she can get millions out of this besides this was'nt the aspergers and aspergers kids actually tend to obey the rules and tons of them are interested in airplanes and aviation<br />
so there is two points against disibility act:<br />
1.Blaming actions which are not due to disablement on disibility<br />
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2.Not allowing travel due to disablement<br />
If that mam sues which i would advise her too she will get that airline closed down more than likely!</p>
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		<title>By: lillcabby</title>
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		<dc:creator>lillcabby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 07:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are some of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard. This mom was taking a flight with her AUTISTIC son which she paid for just like the rest of the passengers.She did not choose for him to be Autistic and Autism is not some over diagnosed pop culture syndrome. I cringed at hearing that statement and it saddens me to think of those parents who have lived with the difficult struggles of having a child with Autism and that they are still able to provide them with some sort of normalcy like taking a trip only to have our society be so selfish and pompous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are some of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard. This mom was taking a flight with her AUTISTIC son which she paid for just like the rest of the passengers.She did not choose for him to be Autistic and Autism is not some over diagnosed pop culture syndrome. I cringed at hearing that statement and it saddens me to think of those parents who have lived with the difficult struggles of having a child with Autism and that they are still able to provide them with some sort of normalcy like taking a trip only to have our society be so selfish and pompous.</p>
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		<title>By: Kama</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-1092497</link>
		<dc:creator>Kama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an Autistic son. I wish it was something we could control or cure. That would make my life so much easier. I am just so glad we have all these experts around, I won&#039;t be seeing our Doctor at Children&#039;s Hospital anymore I am going to ask some of these people what I should do with my son. I am so sick and tired of ignorant people. People with disabilities are so much more compassionate and forgiving. Just better human beings all around. I have flown many many times and its not the unruly child that is the problem. It&#039;s the cell phone using, have not showered, loud, drinking, thinks they need to jump up and down getting items out of their carry on that drives people crazy. The child will eventually settle down and everyone is happy. The idiot with the cell phone will still be stupid at the end of the trip. (why don&#039;t they get kicked off?)
The mother of the Autistic child should have medicated her child. Making him more comfortable. But the flight attendent should keep her hands to herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an Autistic son. I wish it was something we could control or cure. That would make my life so much easier. I am just so glad we have all these experts around, I won't be seeing our Doctor at Children's Hospital anymore I am going to ask some of these people what I should do with my son. I am so sick and tired of ignorant people. People with disabilities are so much more compassionate and forgiving. Just better human beings all around. I have flown many many times and its not the unruly child that is the problem. It's the cell phone using, have not showered, loud, drinking, thinks they need to jump up and down getting items out of their carry on that drives people crazy. The child will eventually settle down and everyone is happy. The idiot with the cell phone will still be stupid at the end of the trip. (why don't they get kicked off?)<br />
The mother of the Autistic child should have medicated her child. Making him more comfortable. But the flight attendent should keep her hands to herself.</p>
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		<title>By: chrissy</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-648045</link>
		<dc:creator>chrissy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a autistic grandson who is the love of my life. And unless you can walk in  my shoes for just one day I sugguest all of you so call normal people learn to keep your ignorant comments to yourselves or try learing what the meaning of meltdown is relating to autism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a autistic grandson who is the love of my life. And unless you can walk in  my shoes for just one day I sugguest all of you so call normal people learn to keep your ignorant comments to yourselves or try learing what the meaning of meltdown is relating to autism.</p>
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		<title>By: DOJ</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-647137</link>
		<dc:creator>DOJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I expected some people to shout boycott. Pleasantly surprised I was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I expected some people to shout boycott. Pleasantly surprised I was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-646587</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work as a special education teacher and work specifically with young children with autism and I absolutely agree Trisha&#039;s previous post.  I am astounded at the heartless cruel comments posted by many of you.  I am horrified that people with such horrific attitudes towards people with disabilities exist in our society.  &quot;Taze them both?!!!&quot; Come on...where do you get off saying something like that?!  Of course the mother should have been more prepared, she should have consulted her doctor or chosen a different mode of transportation.  But come on!!!  Must you stoop to the dark ages when discussing people with disabilities?  Autism is not the new &quot;pop diagnosis&quot; by the way.  Who ever wrote that needs to educate themselves before opening their judgmental bigoted mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work as a special education teacher and work specifically with young children with autism and I absolutely agree Trisha's previous post.  I am astounded at the heartless cruel comments posted by many of you.  I am horrified that people with such horrific attitudes towards people with disabilities exist in our society.  "Taze them both?!!!" Come on...where do you get off saying something like that?!  Of course the mother should have been more prepared, she should have consulted her doctor or chosen a different mode of transportation.  But come on!!!  Must you stoop to the dark ages when discussing people with disabilities?  Autism is not the new "pop diagnosis" by the way.  Who ever wrote that needs to educate themselves before opening their judgmental bigoted mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: trisha</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-631375</link>
		<dc:creator>trisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 04:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son is autistic and I am absolutely flummoxed by some of these responses. 

I don&#039;t disagree that air travel isn&#039;t for everyone. I absolutely would not ever put my son on a plane. Ever. For any reason imaginable.

But, people, seriously, have some empathy. My son has melted down in grocery stores and parks and at school, and I am so saddened by the people who treat us like we are freaks. He and I both try our hardest to get through each day. Minute by minute. 

But through it all, I have discovered that &quot;normal&quot; people mostly suck. Just as my son cannot always control his reactions, the same can be said for most normal folks. At least my son has a neurological disorder to explain his behavior. 

Grow up, people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son is autistic and I am absolutely flummoxed by some of these responses. </p>
<p>I don't disagree that air travel isn't for everyone. I absolutely would not ever put my son on a plane. Ever. For any reason imaginable.</p>
<p>But, people, seriously, have some empathy. My son has melted down in grocery stores and parks and at school, and I am so saddened by the people who treat us like we are freaks. He and I both try our hardest to get through each day. Minute by minute. </p>
<p>But through it all, I have discovered that "normal" people mostly suck. Just as my son cannot always control his reactions, the same can be said for most normal folks. At least my son has a neurological disorder to explain his behavior. </p>
<p>Grow up, people.</p>
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		<title>By: Booger</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-630208</link>
		<dc:creator>Booger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THEY SHOULDA TAZED THEM BOTH</description>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just trying to make two points-

1. The staff should have handled this better(as should have the mother).

2. People on this board(Bean in particular) seem to have a callous view on autism, saying its a &quot;pop-culture diagnosis&quot; when it reality, its a really disabling disorder.

Yes, ultimately, the kid should have been removed off the plane, but they should have been moved to a later flight after the child had calmed down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm just trying to make two points-</p>
<p>1. The staff should have handled this better(as should have the mother).</p>
<p>2. People on this board(Bean in particular) seem to have a callous view on autism, saying its a "pop-culture diagnosis" when it reality, its a really disabling disorder.</p>
<p>Yes, ultimately, the kid should have been removed off the plane, but they should have been moved to a later flight after the child had calmed down.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-629790</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Greg  

Why was it that the staff of the flight had to be the one to attempt to get the boy in a SAFE position so the plane could take off? From that article the mother was not interested in doing anything to protect her child&#039;s safety. Yes, it&#039;s sad the boy has autism. But there is a reason that the FAA requires all passengers to be belted into their seats at the time of take-off, and it is even sadder the mother thought her child should be exempt from safety regulations just because he has autism. Not only that, the mother thought thousands of people should be held up, or their plans hurt, because her boy was, at the time, unable to sit with his seat belt on.

What if there was a doctor carrying an organ for transplant and he was depending on that flight making it&#039;s connection to save someone else&#039;s life? What if there a man who had learned his father was dying within the day and he was desperate to see him before that happened but by the flight arriving late would have missed that opportunity? How about a family who had saved and pinched pennies just for a chance to see their family? What about a service member who was returning from Iraq and had not yet seen his newborn child? 

So, because one child is at the moment unable to follow FAA regulations regarding safety, all these other people should suffer? 

All I&#039;m hearing is, &quot;but he has autism, so no one else is as important or special as he is and he most certainly is exempt from safety regulations.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Greg  </p>
<p>Why was it that the staff of the flight had to be the one to attempt to get the boy in a SAFE position so the plane could take off? From that article the mother was not interested in doing anything to protect her child's safety. Yes, it's sad the boy has autism. But there is a reason that the FAA requires all passengers to be belted into their seats at the time of take-off, and it is even sadder the mother thought her child should be exempt from safety regulations just because he has autism. Not only that, the mother thought thousands of people should be held up, or their plans hurt, because her boy was, at the time, unable to sit with his seat belt on.</p>
<p>What if there was a doctor carrying an organ for transplant and he was depending on that flight making it's connection to save someone else's life? What if there a man who had learned his father was dying within the day and he was desperate to see him before that happened but by the flight arriving late would have missed that opportunity? How about a family who had saved and pinched pennies just for a chance to see their family? What about a service member who was returning from Iraq and had not yet seen his newborn child? </p>
<p>So, because one child is at the moment unable to follow FAA regulations regarding safety, all these other people should suffer? </p>
<p>All I'm hearing is, "but he has autism, so no one else is as important or special as he is and he most certainly is exempt from safety regulations."</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-629771</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jennifer

I&#039;m not being overly dramatic, I&#039;ve run into this mentality in public when working with kids with disabilities and people here claiming she should just &quot;control&quot; her kid in the same fashion parents control normal kids, which isn&#039;t the correct protocol at all. It sounds like the airline crew got into the kids face, overloading his senses even more. We as a society are judged by how we treat our less capable. I agree safety measures need to be followed, but it just sounds like the airline staff was incompetent and not trained to deal with this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jennifer</p>
<p>I'm not being overly dramatic, I've run into this mentality in public when working with kids with disabilities and people here claiming she should just "control" her kid in the same fashion parents control normal kids, which isn't the correct protocol at all. It sounds like the airline crew got into the kids face, overloading his senses even more. We as a society are judged by how we treat our less capable. I agree safety measures need to be followed, but it just sounds like the airline staff was incompetent and not trained to deal with this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-629642</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ GoShogun  

Okay, so why did the stewardess and the pilot had to be the one to point out the boy was incorrectly seated? The problem here isn&#039;t that the boy was having a meltdown due to autism - it&#039;s that the mother wasn&#039;t taking the necessary steps to correct the situation of her son putting himself a potentially dangerous situation.

@ Greg  

Talk about being over dramatic....

No one has seriously suggested the mother never take her child outside. Nor has anyone blamed the boy for having an uncontrollable reaction. People here have expressed anger and disgust that the mother refused to follow safety protocol for her son. 

No, a plane cannot wait indefinitely for someone before it takes off. I would suggest finding someone who flies a lot, or works in the industry to discover why that is not a possibility.

You assumed the mother drugged her child, but read the article and watch the video - as over dramatic as she is being, and the fact that she completely refuses to acknowledge she was allowing her son to be in a dangerous position, don&#039;t you think she would have mentioned that fact in an interview? It would have been another pity point for her. 

I think you need to carefully reread the reactions of the people on here before throwing a hysterical fit. No one suggested the kid is locked away for life, no one suggested he less of a person than a &quot;normal&quot; person - but people are demanding that he follow the rules designed to protect him and safeguard him against accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ GoShogun  </p>
<p>Okay, so why did the stewardess and the pilot had to be the one to point out the boy was incorrectly seated? The problem here isn't that the boy was having a meltdown due to autism - it's that the mother wasn't taking the necessary steps to correct the situation of her son putting himself a potentially dangerous situation.</p>
<p>@ Greg  </p>
<p>Talk about being over dramatic....</p>
<p>No one has seriously suggested the mother never take her child outside. Nor has anyone blamed the boy for having an uncontrollable reaction. People here have expressed anger and disgust that the mother refused to follow safety protocol for her son. </p>
<p>No, a plane cannot wait indefinitely for someone before it takes off. I would suggest finding someone who flies a lot, or works in the industry to discover why that is not a possibility.</p>
<p>You assumed the mother drugged her child, but read the article and watch the video - as over dramatic as she is being, and the fact that she completely refuses to acknowledge she was allowing her son to be in a dangerous position, don't you think she would have mentioned that fact in an interview? It would have been another pity point for her. </p>
<p>I think you need to carefully reread the reactions of the people on here before throwing a hysterical fit. No one suggested the kid is locked away for life, no one suggested he less of a person than a "normal" person - but people are demanding that he follow the rules designed to protect him and safeguard him against accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I am just shocked at the amount of ignorance on these boards. Autistic kids, especially severe and profound cases, have a completely different sensory system then you or I. They cannot help these meltdowns. I work with a particularly large 15 year old non-verbal autistic boy, and many times he becomes overloaded to the point that he physically assaults and once bit through a remote control. Does this mean I shouldn&#039;t work with him anymore? That I should just tell the mom to keep him home and shrink the quality of his life because of a disorder he didn&#039;t ask for? If the crew had just been patient and waited for some medication to kick in(which I am assuming the mother dispensed) it would have been fine, but it sounds like they tried to treat him like a normal two-year old, which anyone who has been around someone with autism can tell you, is something you should not do, they are very different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I am just shocked at the amount of ignorance on these boards. Autistic kids, especially severe and profound cases, have a completely different sensory system then you or I. They cannot help these meltdowns. I work with a particularly large 15 year old non-verbal autistic boy, and many times he becomes overloaded to the point that he physically assaults and once bit through a remote control. Does this mean I shouldn't work with him anymore? That I should just tell the mom to keep him home and shrink the quality of his life because of a disorder he didn't ask for? If the crew had just been patient and waited for some medication to kick in(which I am assuming the mother dispensed) it would have been fine, but it sounds like they tried to treat him like a normal two-year old, which anyone who has been around someone with autism can tell you, is something you should not do, they are very different.</p>
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		<title>By: EP</title>
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		<dc:creator>EP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>downsfatface, you make this blog look like the perez hilton web.</description>
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		<title>By: astrodex</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-628141</link>
		<dc:creator>astrodex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Autism may or may not be overdiagnosed now, but it was definitely underdiagnosed in the past. My brother is a 52 year-old undiagnosed autistic. It is called a spectrum because there is such a broad range. Most of those people you made fun of in high school because they didn&#039;t &quot;fit in&quot; probably fall into the spectrum somewhere. It doesn&#039;t mean there is something wrong with them. It just means their brains don&#039;t process information, usually social cues and such, like the rest of us.

It is possible that the employees on that flight may need some kind of sensitivity training, but it is not the responsibility of the airlines to make sure their employees are able to deal with every type of disorder known to man. Every autistic kid is different. What may be soothing to one could set another one off.

Did she talk to anyone before the flight to let them know of any special needs? Did she tell them he will be more comfortable if his belt is a little loose? This type of interaction could have prevented the whole situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autism may or may not be overdiagnosed now, but it was definitely underdiagnosed in the past. My brother is a 52 year-old undiagnosed autistic. It is called a spectrum because there is such a broad range. Most of those people you made fun of in high school because they didn't "fit in" probably fall into the spectrum somewhere. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with them. It just means their brains don't process information, usually social cues and such, like the rest of us.</p>
<p>It is possible that the employees on that flight may need some kind of sensitivity training, but it is not the responsibility of the airlines to make sure their employees are able to deal with every type of disorder known to man. Every autistic kid is different. What may be soothing to one could set another one off.</p>
<p>Did she talk to anyone before the flight to let them know of any special needs? Did she tell them he will be more comfortable if his belt is a little loose? This type of interaction could have prevented the whole situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Juliana</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-628084</link>
		<dc:creator>Juliana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see the same reaction I had. &quot;Autism&quot; doesn&#039;t grant clemency to anyone. If the mother has a problem controlling her child, she should not use public transportation. The flight attendants are not there to babysit, they are to aid in the safety and comfort of all passengers. There are rules in place for EVERYONE. If the mother was unable to comply with the set rules, she and her boy have no right to fly. The rest of the passengers on that plane are equally important, and nobody should be forced to put their life on the line for some unruly kid.  

It&#039;s just like those ahole parents who don&#039;t leave a restaurant or theatre when their kid is screaming. Control your kid or keep them at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm glad to see the same reaction I had. "Autism" doesn't grant clemency to anyone. If the mother has a problem controlling her child, she should not use public transportation. The flight attendants are not there to babysit, they are to aid in the safety and comfort of all passengers. There are rules in place for EVERYONE. If the mother was unable to comply with the set rules, she and her boy have no right to fly. The rest of the passengers on that plane are equally important, and nobody should be forced to put their life on the line for some unruly kid.  </p>
<p>It's just like those ahole parents who don't leave a restaurant or theatre when their kid is screaming. Control your kid or keep them at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Stanhope</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627757</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Stanhope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d kick him off of my plane.</description>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627700</link>
		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neat</description>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627605</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They deserve more, because they’ve had more taken away from them by no choice of their own OR their parents in most cases.&quot;

This is the standard argument/dilemma for a lot of disabilities, mental disorder, racism, sexism, poverty and other discrimination issues, i.e. The world owes them so they have more special rights.

And such way of thinking is resulted from believing in free will, as they believe that their choices were limited by their disabilities.

However, from the point of view of determinism, I would say, just live with what you have, and stop crying about how much you would have if you were normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"They deserve more, because they’ve had more taken away from them by no choice of their own OR their parents in most cases."</p>
<p>This is the standard argument/dilemma for a lot of disabilities, mental disorder, racism, sexism, poverty and other discrimination issues, i.e. The world owes them so they have more special rights.</p>
<p>And such way of thinking is resulted from believing in free will, as they believe that their choices were limited by their disabilities.</p>
<p>However, from the point of view of determinism, I would say, just live with what you have, and stop crying about how much you would have if you were normal.</p>
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		<title>By: OldHickory</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627369</link>
		<dc:creator>OldHickory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The child&#039;s autism is irrelevant to the story, since he wasn&#039;t removed from the plane because he was autistic.  If the kid is running around in the aisles, for whatever reason, and is injured due to turbulence, the airline could be liable (or at least have to defend itself in court).  

Safety regulations are applicable to all passengers, autism notwithstanding.  Presumably, this mother doesn&#039;t let her child cross the street against a red light &quot;because he&#039;s autisitic&quot;.  

She and her son were dealt a bad hand and they&#039;ll have to adapt to it and not expect the rest of the world to adapt to them.  I&#039;m sure the child could be mildly sedated for future flights, and if not, I guess they can&#039;t fly.  There are other ways to get around.  

It&#039;s rare that an airline does anything with which I agree but on this occasion, the pilot did the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The child's autism is irrelevant to the story, since he wasn't removed from the plane because he was autistic.  If the kid is running around in the aisles, for whatever reason, and is injured due to turbulence, the airline could be liable (or at least have to defend itself in court).  </p>
<p>Safety regulations are applicable to all passengers, autism notwithstanding.  Presumably, this mother doesn't let her child cross the street against a red light "because he's autisitic".  </p>
<p>She and her son were dealt a bad hand and they'll have to adapt to it and not expect the rest of the world to adapt to them.  I'm sure the child could be mildly sedated for future flights, and if not, I guess they can't fly.  There are other ways to get around.  </p>
<p>It's rare that an airline does anything with which I agree but on this occasion, the pilot did the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffro</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627366</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One Word... Rohypnol.. It should be mandatory for getting on a flight, hell that beats jet lag. Everybody pops a rohypnol, theres no way someone could hi jack that flight, and theres no way someone could be upset or unruly, certainly loading a plane could take longer considering you have to wheel each person on then, but you save that much time in security checks, because of course, how can you use a gun, knife, club, etc. on a flight, if you arent awake.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One Word... Rohypnol.. It should be mandatory for getting on a flight, hell that beats jet lag. Everybody pops a rohypnol, theres no way someone could hi jack that flight, and theres no way someone could be upset or unruly, certainly loading a plane could take longer considering you have to wheel each person on then, but you save that much time in security checks, because of course, how can you use a gun, knife, club, etc. on a flight, if you arent awake.....</p>
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		<title>By: Evilbeagle</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627281</link>
		<dc:creator>Evilbeagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, GoShogun, this is the type of thing that make people roll their eyes when someone expects for the world to stop for them and for safety measures to be compromised and the majority to be inconvenienced. No one is saying that autism isn&#039;t serious, or that it&#039;s easy to raise an autistic child. No one is saying autistic kids need to be dramatically shut away. And quite frankly, it cheapens the whole debate to go on about denying people in wheelchairs ramps.

Flying is miserable as it is in this day and age. I don&#039;t think a flying tube full of people need to suffer delays, defying safety regulations, and a child&#039;s caterwauling tantrum whether he is autistic or not. If that mother had even an ounce of class, she would have taken herself and the kid off the flight without being asked. Autism is unpredictable, right? Well, she should not have counted on every flight going as well as his first, and now that she has this knowledge, she might want to look for other methods of transport, for her own sanity and everyone else&#039;s. We live in a society that caters to everyone that cries discrimination whether that cry is justified or not. Understanding is fine, but there are limits to that. Sorry the kid has autism. Sorry you have to deal with it as a parent. Ultimately, though, it&#039;s not my problem or anyone else&#039;s. This situation went beyond the limits of patience and understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, GoShogun, this is the type of thing that make people roll their eyes when someone expects for the world to stop for them and for safety measures to be compromised and the majority to be inconvenienced. No one is saying that autism isn't serious, or that it's easy to raise an autistic child. No one is saying autistic kids need to be dramatically shut away. And quite frankly, it cheapens the whole debate to go on about denying people in wheelchairs ramps.</p>
<p>Flying is miserable as it is in this day and age. I don't think a flying tube full of people need to suffer delays, defying safety regulations, and a child's caterwauling tantrum whether he is autistic or not. If that mother had even an ounce of class, she would have taken herself and the kid off the flight without being asked. Autism is unpredictable, right? Well, she should not have counted on every flight going as well as his first, and now that she has this knowledge, she might want to look for other methods of transport, for her own sanity and everyone else's. We live in a society that caters to everyone that cries discrimination whether that cry is justified or not. Understanding is fine, but there are limits to that. Sorry the kid has autism. Sorry you have to deal with it as a parent. Ultimately, though, it's not my problem or anyone else's. This situation went beyond the limits of patience and understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: GoShogun</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627218</link>
		<dc:creator>GoShogun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, I guess it&#039;s just too hard to explain what dealing with an autistic child can really be like unless you&#039;ve done it.  I don&#039;t blame the mother at all.  She could have been fully prepared for anything, and still had something entirely unexpected happen with her child.  My view is biased, I agree, I&#039;ve known many parents of autistic kids and have witnessed first hand their exhaustion, desperation and frustrations.  A lot of people seemed to have a really warped view of what autism actually is and how severe it can get, maybe because of the media, or maybe because of simple lack of knowledge.

The disorder is unpredictable.  There&#039;s no telling whether he WOULD be ok on the plane or not.  Like the article said, he was fine on another flight.  So ya, let&#039;s say the possibility of his maladaptive behaviours exist so she should find another way to travel.  The possibility of his maladaptive behaviours showing up given ANY mode of travel exists.  So then what? Well, maybe these kids shouldn&#039;t travel at all.  Heck, there&#039;s even a possible danger if this kid is in a house, better confine him to a room.  But all that space, those windows in that room, dangerous...better keep him in a cage.  I know I&#039;m exaggerating, but it&#039;s where that road of thinking leads.

I mean, we don&#039;t really need to build ramps for parapalegics, why bother spending the money? They should just learn to accept that they shouldn&#039;t have access to any place above ground level.  That sound ok to you guys too?

I am not denying that the flight crew did any wrong by following regulations.  But a little patience and understanding is not a lot to ask for from a group of individuals with fully healthy minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, I guess it's just too hard to explain what dealing with an autistic child can really be like unless you've done it.  I don't blame the mother at all.  She could have been fully prepared for anything, and still had something entirely unexpected happen with her child.  My view is biased, I agree, I've known many parents of autistic kids and have witnessed first hand their exhaustion, desperation and frustrations.  A lot of people seemed to have a really warped view of what autism actually is and how severe it can get, maybe because of the media, or maybe because of simple lack of knowledge.</p>
<p>The disorder is unpredictable.  There's no telling whether he WOULD be ok on the plane or not.  Like the article said, he was fine on another flight.  So ya, let's say the possibility of his maladaptive behaviours exist so she should find another way to travel.  The possibility of his maladaptive behaviours showing up given ANY mode of travel exists.  So then what? Well, maybe these kids shouldn't travel at all.  Heck, there's even a possible danger if this kid is in a house, better confine him to a room.  But all that space, those windows in that room, dangerous...better keep him in a cage.  I know I'm exaggerating, but it's where that road of thinking leads.</p>
<p>I mean, we don't really need to build ramps for parapalegics, why bother spending the money? They should just learn to accept that they shouldn't have access to any place above ground level.  That sound ok to you guys too?</p>
<p>I am not denying that the flight crew did any wrong by following regulations.  But a little patience and understanding is not a lot to ask for from a group of individuals with fully healthy minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Evilbeagle</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627187</link>
		<dc:creator>Evilbeagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They did the right thing. Usually, I would not defend the actions of an airline, because they are normally asinine, but sorry, autistic or not (and this will be used for pity points), if Mom can&#039;t control a kid on a flight, they don&#039;t need to be there. And no, autism isn&#039;t a free pass. If he can&#039;t deal with a plane ride, his mother should find another way to travel. The blame lies with the mother who expects pity because she has a child with developmental issues. Take some responsibility and be a real woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did the right thing. Usually, I would not defend the actions of an airline, because they are normally asinine, but sorry, autistic or not (and this will be used for pity points), if Mom can't control a kid on a flight, they don't need to be there. And no, autism isn't a free pass. If he can't deal with a plane ride, his mother should find another way to travel. The blame lies with the mother who expects pity because she has a child with developmental issues. Take some responsibility and be a real woman.</p>
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		<title>By: GoShogun</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627157</link>
		<dc:creator>GoShogun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer

They did have an alternative.  I know this because I have been in the EXACT same situation on a plane, like I said.  With an autistic child who was much older than 2.  They did not yell at him, they did not tug on his seatbelt, I told them to give him space.  They respected me, asked me what I needed if anything, moved us to a seat in the back corner of the plane.  Case in point, they HELPED.  It&#039;s a choice they made.  The crew of this flight made the safe and right decisions, sure.  But they could have HELPED and they chose not to.

And nobody can tell me that just because someone has autism, they don&#039;t have the right to a free pass like that.  Because they do.  They deserve more, because they&#039;ve had more taken away from them by no choice of their own OR their parents in most cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer</p>
<p>They did have an alternative.  I know this because I have been in the EXACT same situation on a plane, like I said.  With an autistic child who was much older than 2.  They did not yell at him, they did not tug on his seatbelt, I told them to give him space.  They respected me, asked me what I needed if anything, moved us to a seat in the back corner of the plane.  Case in point, they HELPED.  It's a choice they made.  The crew of this flight made the safe and right decisions, sure.  But they could have HELPED and they chose not to.</p>
<p>And nobody can tell me that just because someone has autism, they don't have the right to a free pass like that.  Because they do.  They deserve more, because they've had more taken away from them by no choice of their own OR their parents in most cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Wugou</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627066</link>
		<dc:creator>Wugou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>!NEWSFLASH!:If you have an autistic kid, or any unruly rug rat for that matter, get them hopped up on Benadryl before the flight. They&#039;ll be sleepy and compliant before you know it. 

In this instance it&#039;s not the kids fault; it&#039;s the Mom&#039;s fault. She needs to learn how in the hell to take care of kids with special needs. This sounds like a weepy, bitter Mom who wants to play the victim. Woman up and take care of your kid! You&#039;re a discredit to your gender and Moms everywhere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>!NEWSFLASH!:If you have an autistic kid, or any unruly rug rat for that matter, get them hopped up on Benadryl before the flight. They'll be sleepy and compliant before you know it. </p>
<p>In this instance it's not the kids fault; it's the Mom's fault. She needs to learn how in the hell to take care of kids with special needs. This sounds like a weepy, bitter Mom who wants to play the victim. Woman up and take care of your kid! You're a discredit to your gender and Moms everywhere!</p>
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		<title>By: dipster</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627055</link>
		<dc:creator>dipster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see google news and search for marijuana, or search for marijuana denver airlines and you&#039;ll see they&#039;re trying to push to allow marijuana to be smoked on airlines (or at airports if not ON the airplane itself) perhaps this sort of thing wouldn&#039;t happen if people were STONED.

But big pharma and its pocket $$ protection agency screw us all.

And so alcohol and coffee remain the tolerated social drugs of choice, because America is ruled by tyrannical sexual dinosaurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see google news and search for marijuana, or search for marijuana denver airlines and you'll see they're trying to push to allow marijuana to be smoked on airlines (or at airports if not ON the airplane itself) perhaps this sort of thing wouldn't happen if people were STONED.</p>
<p>But big pharma and its pocket $$ protection agency screw us all.</p>
<p>And so alcohol and coffee remain the tolerated social drugs of choice, because America is ruled by tyrannical sexual dinosaurs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/25/autistic-boy-and-mom-kicked-off-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-627026</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ GoShogun  

This is not an issue about equality for all. Perhaps you understand what autistic children are and are not capable of on an individual basis because you have worked with them. But do you understand that the FAA has set down mandatory regulations regarding flight safety? A plane may not take off with passengers unbuckled and out of their seat. 

IT IS A SAFETY RISK TO THE PERSON NOT WEARING A SEAT BELT DURING TAKE-OFF!

I&#039;ve flown a lot, and my husband flies even more than I do (two to three times a week sometimes) and there are reasons for these requirements. How was that mother going to handle a frantic son during take-off? What if he had gotten out of his belt again in the middle of take-off and went tumbling down the aisle where he broke a bone or two or ended up concussed? This wasn&#039;t about inconvenience to other passengers with his tantrum, it was about his safety. 

Equality means nothing if the person being made &quot;equal&quot; is thrust into a position that is potentially dangerous. The stewardess and the pilot did not tell the mother of the child to put her son into a cage in the basement and never let him see light of day again. They informed her he needed to stay in his seat with the belt on because compromising his safety was preventing the take off of the plane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ GoShogun  </p>
<p>This is not an issue about equality for all. Perhaps you understand what autistic children are and are not capable of on an individual basis because you have worked with them. But do you understand that the FAA has set down mandatory regulations regarding flight safety? A plane may not take off with passengers unbuckled and out of their seat. </p>
<p>IT IS A SAFETY RISK TO THE PERSON NOT WEARING A SEAT BELT DURING TAKE-OFF!</p>
<p>I've flown a lot, and my husband flies even more than I do (two to three times a week sometimes) and there are reasons for these requirements. How was that mother going to handle a frantic son during take-off? What if he had gotten out of his belt again in the middle of take-off and went tumbling down the aisle where he broke a bone or two or ended up concussed? This wasn't about inconvenience to other passengers with his tantrum, it was about his safety. </p>
<p>Equality means nothing if the person being made "equal" is thrust into a position that is potentially dangerous. The stewardess and the pilot did not tell the mother of the child to put her son into a cage in the basement and never let him see light of day again. They informed her he needed to stay in his seat with the belt on because compromising his safety was preventing the take off of the plane.</p>
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