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	<title>Comments on: Open Carry: The Wild Wild West or Sensible Precaution?</title>
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		<title>By: zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jessssssus  

i just read thru the rest of the comments and am disheartened to see so many anti-gunners.  very saddening to read the negative comments.

some say the national guard is the militia the founding fathers were talking about, however the national guard wasnt created until roughly 100 years after the 2nd amendment.  They meant every able bodied male was expected to keep arms and be proficient in case he was called up to protect his country from foreign or domestic enemies ie. a tyranical govt.  which over extends its authorities and imposes its will on the states and citizens (sound familiar?)

to put how important the right to bear arms is, Stalin, hitler, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Musselini &amp; Amin all created or enforced draconian gun control and registration to disarm a population prior to a genocidal campaign.  Think it cant happen in the USA?    

I just dont understand how a father or mother fall asleep at nite knowing they are incapable of defending their children from an armed home invader.  A typical scenario is the calvary arrives in about 14 minutes, gets an ambulance for the lucky escapees and some some body bags for the unlucky one.  The cops get statements from some of the neighbors to see if anyone saw anything and they file their report and investigate it.  Life goes (well not for everyone unfortunately)

forget gun control, just enforce criminal control.  leave law abiding gun owners alone.     when some whack job open fires in a gun free school or mall, youre going to go hide under a table and cross your fingers that an armed civilian is present who can defend you until the police get there.  my advice is you too should be one of the good citizens prepared to responsably defend yourself with a firearm.</description>
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<p>i just read thru the rest of the comments and am disheartened to see so many anti-gunners.  very saddening to read the negative comments.</p>
<p>some say the national guard is the militia the founding fathers were talking about, however the national guard wasnt created until roughly 100 years after the 2nd amendment.  They meant every able bodied male was expected to keep arms and be proficient in case he was called up to protect his country from foreign or domestic enemies ie. a tyranical govt.  which over extends its authorities and imposes its will on the states and citizens (sound familiar?)</p>
<p>to put how important the right to bear arms is, Stalin, hitler, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Musselini &amp; Amin all created or enforced draconian gun control and registration to disarm a population prior to a genocidal campaign.  Think it cant happen in the USA?    </p>
<p>I just dont understand how a father or mother fall asleep at nite knowing they are incapable of defending their children from an armed home invader.  A typical scenario is the calvary arrives in about 14 minutes, gets an ambulance for the lucky escapees and some some body bags for the unlucky one.  The cops get statements from some of the neighbors to see if anyone saw anything and they file their report and investigate it.  Life goes (well not for everyone unfortunately)</p>
<p>forget gun control, just enforce criminal control.  leave law abiding gun owners alone.     when some whack job open fires in a gun free school or mall, youre going to go hide under a table and cross your fingers that an armed civilian is present who can defend you until the police get there.  my advice is you too should be one of the good citizens prepared to responsably defend yourself with a firearm.</p>
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		<title>By: zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>glad to see the topic is so popular.  

God bless this man for being a responsable adult exercise and remind people of the 2nd amendment right which is almost dead in this country. 

basically, w/o the 2nd amendment, every other right will disappear b/c once disarmed...you are defenseless and not getting them back.  

i personally love to see guns on good people, it desensitizes the liberal and victimhood embracers to the fact that honest citizens like guns, love self defense and cherish liberty.  

id like anti-gunners to stop blaming gun owners if thru no undue neglect of their own, criminals or thugs steal their weapons.  Anti-gunners can condone the criminal behavior and condemn the gun as if it had a mind of its own to be a violent weapon.  That bewilders me.

recently i read a few articles about OK corral and wild west &amp; learned that their murder rate wasnt much different from chicago or new york.  

The difference being that in the wild west, both good and bad guys had guns &amp; were on even playing fields in a shoot out.  

In modern cities with draconian gun laws, the good guys are forbidden to have guns while the bad guys have access to all sorts of firearms thus having a gigantic advantage over the honest citizen.  

gun control is for controlling people to be subjects and perenial infants of the govt.   In their eyes, were too immature to take responsability for our own actions and not trusted or allowed to act in our own self defense.  

when are life is in urgent peril or our childrens life, how are we supposed to protect ourselves from armed gunmen for the 14 plus minutes which is the avg. 911 response time?   

911 and police are fine as a back up plan but every citizen should be able to protect themselves as the first line of defense.

keep in mind, its better to have a gun and not need it than need one and not have it.   Criminals, rapists, burglars, kidnappers, murderers and serial killers rarely if ever make an appointment.    

be prepared
yeah  2nd amendment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glad to see the topic is so popular.  </p>
<p>God bless this man for being a responsable adult exercise and remind people of the 2nd amendment right which is almost dead in this country. </p>
<p>basically, w/o the 2nd amendment, every other right will disappear b/c once disarmed...you are defenseless and not getting them back.  </p>
<p>i personally love to see guns on good people, it desensitizes the liberal and victimhood embracers to the fact that honest citizens like guns, love self defense and cherish liberty.  </p>
<p>id like anti-gunners to stop blaming gun owners if thru no undue neglect of their own, criminals or thugs steal their weapons.  Anti-gunners can condone the criminal behavior and condemn the gun as if it had a mind of its own to be a violent weapon.  That bewilders me.</p>
<p>recently i read a few articles about OK corral and wild west &amp; learned that their murder rate wasnt much different from chicago or new york.  </p>
<p>The difference being that in the wild west, both good and bad guys had guns &amp; were on even playing fields in a shoot out.  </p>
<p>In modern cities with draconian gun laws, the good guys are forbidden to have guns while the bad guys have access to all sorts of firearms thus having a gigantic advantage over the honest citizen.  </p>
<p>gun control is for controlling people to be subjects and perenial infants of the govt.   In their eyes, were too immature to take responsability for our own actions and not trusted or allowed to act in our own self defense.  </p>
<p>when are life is in urgent peril or our childrens life, how are we supposed to protect ourselves from armed gunmen for the 14 plus minutes which is the avg. 911 response time?   </p>
<p>911 and police are fine as a back up plan but every citizen should be able to protect themselves as the first line of defense.</p>
<p>keep in mind, its better to have a gun and not need it than need one and not have it.   Criminals, rapists, burglars, kidnappers, murderers and serial killers rarely if ever make an appointment.    </p>
<p>be prepared<br />
yeah  2nd amendment</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if you feel your rights to feeling safe are being infringed but if you don&#039;t agree with it, YOU are the one that is living in the wrong country according to the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution (the ultimate authority in the US).

You know, feel free to move to my state (New Jersey) where the murder rate is far higher than Vermont even though we have the most strict gun laws along with CA.

You know whats funny? When the laws get as strict as they are here.. you start to feel like the only ones who have the right to effective self defense are the criminals (who don&#039;t obey your pieces of paper anyway).

Some of you people really make me ashamed. You call yourself civilized, I call you delusional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if you feel your rights to feeling safe are being infringed but if you don't agree with it, YOU are the one that is living in the wrong country according to the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution (the ultimate authority in the US).</p>
<p>You know, feel free to move to my state (New Jersey) where the murder rate is far higher than Vermont even though we have the most strict gun laws along with CA.</p>
<p>You know whats funny? When the laws get as strict as they are here.. you start to feel like the only ones who have the right to effective self defense are the criminals (who don't obey your pieces of paper anyway).</p>
<p>Some of you people really make me ashamed. You call yourself civilized, I call you delusional.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point C-dub. But, it has been estimated that 2 million crimes are stopped every year by civilians owning guns. I have seen the number vary greatly (Anywhere from 500k to 2 million). But, in countries where arms are permited or FORCED Crime rate is way lower. Switzerland forces eery male enlist in the militia. He gets a fully automatic weapon and is trained to use it. Is it the wild west? (The wild west&#039;s crime rate was lower then most cities in the USA) The answer is no. Other countries have very high gun to people ratio (Norway) and have very small crime rates. I have seen stats very about what causes crime; but their is a very clear line that gun control raises violence. States like Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Virginia, Idaho all have open carry and are ranked in the top 15 safest places to live. States like Maryland, South Carolina, Tennessee do not. And they are ranked in the top 15 most dangerous. If the 2nd amendment is ever erased it will be a revolution. And I will most certainly be taking part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point C-dub. But, it has been estimated that 2 million crimes are stopped every year by civilians owning guns. I have seen the number vary greatly (Anywhere from 500k to 2 million). But, in countries where arms are permited or FORCED Crime rate is way lower. Switzerland forces eery male enlist in the militia. He gets a fully automatic weapon and is trained to use it. Is it the wild west? (The wild west's crime rate was lower then most cities in the USA) The answer is no. Other countries have very high gun to people ratio (Norway) and have very small crime rates. I have seen stats very about what causes crime; but their is a very clear line that gun control raises violence. States like Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Virginia, Idaho all have open carry and are ranked in the top 15 safest places to live. States like Maryland, South Carolina, Tennessee do not. And they are ranked in the top 15 most dangerous. If the 2nd amendment is ever erased it will be a revolution. And I will most certainly be taking part.</p>
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		<title>By: c-dub</title>
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		<dc:creator>c-dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted that because I think it demonstrated my original point that people can&#039;t be expected to maintain vigilance over a weapon while going about their daily lives.  A moment&#039;s inattention is all it takes for a tragedy occur, and that fact doesn&#039;t change whether one is a judge or a janitor or an astronaut or whatever.

And you&#039;re probably right, having the gun holstered would have been considerably safer, but it would have been far, far safer for her to keep it locked up at home.  The simple fact is that carrying a gun creates exponentially more opportunities for these kinds of accidents to occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted that because I think it demonstrated my original point that people can't be expected to maintain vigilance over a weapon while going about their daily lives.  A moment's inattention is all it takes for a tragedy occur, and that fact doesn't change whether one is a judge or a janitor or an astronaut or whatever.</p>
<p>And you're probably right, having the gun holstered would have been considerably safer, but it would have been far, far safer for her to keep it locked up at home.  The simple fact is that carrying a gun creates exponentially more opportunities for these kinds of accidents to occur.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobertB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Today, a four-year-old girl in South Carolina shot herself in the chest with a gun that her grandmother carried into a Sam’s Club. The gun was legal, and permitted.  Luckily, the girl survived, and I can only I imagine the grandmother is regretting her decision to carry the gun.&quot;

It is a tragedy.  I hope the kid recovers OK.  But if guns were outlawed for ordinary people, this grandma would still have hers because she is a judge (a &quot;magistrate&quot;, actually).

It&#039;s ironic that you&#039;d bring this case up in this particular discussion, because if she was open-carrying this would not have happened (the gun would be on her hip instead of in her purse where anyone could steal it or the kid get to it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Today, a four-year-old girl in South Carolina shot herself in the chest with a gun that her grandmother carried into a Sam’s Club. The gun was legal, and permitted.  Luckily, the girl survived, and I can only I imagine the grandmother is regretting her decision to carry the gun."</p>
<p>It is a tragedy.  I hope the kid recovers OK.  But if guns were outlawed for ordinary people, this grandma would still have hers because she is a judge (a "magistrate", actually).</p>
<p>It's ironic that you'd bring this case up in this particular discussion, because if she was open-carrying this would not have happened (the gun would be on her hip instead of in her purse where anyone could steal it or the kid get to it)</p>
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		<title>By: c-dub</title>
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		<dc:creator>c-dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Ray, it&#039;s not all-or-nothing, and it never has been.  That&#039;s a nonsense argument: I can value the First Amendment, for example, without valuing the Second.  That sort of reductive thinking is completely meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Ray, it's not all-or-nothing, and it never has been.  That's a nonsense argument: I can value the First Amendment, for example, without valuing the Second.  That sort of reductive thinking is completely meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian the Ibis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian the Ibis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 01:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted sorry that you have a mechanical penis, that must have been a terrible accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted sorry that you have a mechanical penis, that must have been a terrible accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 01:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what?
It doesn&#039;t make any difference what you pussies think.
The 2nd Amendment is not going anywhere. We need it as much as we need the other 9.
Obviously most of you that are worried about that eeevil Chimpy Bush McHitler taking away all your rights don&#039;t have any problem with doing away with the 2nd Amendment.

You can&#039;t have it both ways. It&#039;s all or nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what?<br />
It doesn't make any difference what you pussies think.<br />
The 2nd Amendment is not going anywhere. We need it as much as we need the other 9.<br />
Obviously most of you that are worried about that eeevil Chimpy Bush McHitler taking away all your rights don't have any problem with doing away with the 2nd Amendment.</p>
<p>You can't have it both ways. It's all or nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: c-dub</title>
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		<dc:creator>c-dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 01:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today, a four-year-old girl in South Carolina shot herself in the chest with a gun that her grandmother carried into a Sam&#039;s Club.  The gun was legal, and permitted.

Luckily, the girl survived, and I can only I imagine the grandmother is regretting her decision to carry the gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, a four-year-old girl in South Carolina shot herself in the chest with a gun that her grandmother carried into a Sam's Club.  The gun was legal, and permitted.</p>
<p>Luckily, the girl survived, and I can only I imagine the grandmother is regretting her decision to carry the gun.</p>
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		<title>By: c-dub</title>
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		<dc:creator>c-dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Be brave like us!  Carry guns!&quot;  (Huh?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Be brave like us!  Carry guns!"  (Huh?)</p>
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		<title>By: Matty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a loser. If you want to keep a gun locked up at home, fair enough. But this is just another example of mediocrity and stupidity insinuating itself into society. Normal people in society talk about literature, film, music, etc. These gun-obsessed (i.e. must always be in possession of their weapon) people are too stupid or illiterate to engage in such conversation, so they create their own niche clique where guns become an object of obsession and worhsip. Trust me, this is the kid who had no friends in high school because he had no humor, wit, or imagination, so he turned to guns as a way to fit in with other gun-obsessed losers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a loser. If you want to keep a gun locked up at home, fair enough. But this is just another example of mediocrity and stupidity insinuating itself into society. Normal people in society talk about literature, film, music, etc. These gun-obsessed (i.e. must always be in possession of their weapon) people are too stupid or illiterate to engage in such conversation, so they create their own niche clique where guns become an object of obsession and worhsip. Trust me, this is the kid who had no friends in high school because he had no humor, wit, or imagination, so he turned to guns as a way to fit in with other gun-obsessed losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How am I a &quot;victim in waiting&quot; by not wanting to be surrounded by defensive weapons? I&#039;d say the person toting the weapons is the one expecting to be a victim, otherwise they wouldn&#039;t be carrying it. I just don&#039;t walk around thinking about things like that, and I don&#039;t feel I should have to. The person bringing the guns out in the open is the one causing the perceived danger, not my fear of a criminal society that I need to protect my family from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How am I a "victim in waiting" by not wanting to be surrounded by defensive weapons? I'd say the person toting the weapons is the one expecting to be a victim, otherwise they wouldn't be carrying it. I just don't walk around thinking about things like that, and I don't feel I should have to. The person bringing the guns out in the open is the one causing the perceived danger, not my fear of a criminal society that I need to protect my family from.</p>
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		<title>By: c-dub</title>
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		<dc:creator>c-dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several commenters have mentioned how hard it is to pull a gun out of another person&#039;s holster.  I grew up around guns and I know a little about them, and I&#039;m sorry -- it&#039;s just not that hard.  Unless the holster has some sort of retention system beyond a simple thumb-break (and most don&#039;t), you just have to pull in the right direction and the gun comes out.  That&#039;s how holsters work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several commenters have mentioned how hard it is to pull a gun out of another person's holster.  I grew up around guns and I know a little about them, and I'm sorry -- it's just not that hard.  Unless the holster has some sort of retention system beyond a simple thumb-break (and most don't), you just have to pull in the right direction and the gun comes out.  That's how holsters work.</p>
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		<title>By: c-dub</title>
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		<dc:creator>c-dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mr.2ndA:

It isn&#039;t a choice between carrying a gun and living in fear.  I do neither.  And I&#039;m hardly a &quot;victim in waiting&quot;: instead of confronting the problem with the threat of violence, though, I confront it by being involved in my neighborhood, my government, and my community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mr.2ndA:</p>
<p>It isn't a choice between carrying a gun and living in fear.  I do neither.  And I'm hardly a "victim in waiting": instead of confronting the problem with the threat of violence, though, I confront it by being involved in my neighborhood, my government, and my community.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because that&#039;s what we want, when we think of protecting our kids -- crossfire.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Because that's what we want, when we think of protecting our kids -- crossfire."</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.2ndA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.2ndA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It doesn’t just freak me out, it would create a generally antagonistic atmosphere and put me and I’m sure others on guard and on edge, which in our day and age of high stress, is the last thing we need.&quot;

This freak out condition is indicative of your ostrich like reaction to percieved danger. If and when you decide to take control of your life and not be a victim in waiting, you will understand why we chose to go armed. I never knew about guns until I served in the military (all should be required)and wore a sidearm to protect our nuclear devices. Why is it you (American Society) trusted me to do that but not to protect myself or my family? I never abrogated my responsibility for that to any police or government entity. I am historically aware and understand that government encroaches on the freedom of the individual by definition and I propose to limit that activity with my education, passion and political activism.Stop giving in to fear and become a responsible contributing memeber of society by being in charge of your own destiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"It doesn’t just freak me out, it would create a generally antagonistic atmosphere and put me and I’m sure others on guard and on edge, which in our day and age of high stress, is the last thing we need."</p>
<p>This freak out condition is indicative of your ostrich like reaction to percieved danger. If and when you decide to take control of your life and not be a victim in waiting, you will understand why we chose to go armed. I never knew about guns until I served in the military (all should be required)and wore a sidearm to protect our nuclear devices. Why is it you (American Society) trusted me to do that but not to protect myself or my family? I never abrogated my responsibility for that to any police or government entity. I am historically aware and understand that government encroaches on the freedom of the individual by definition and I propose to limit that activity with my education, passion and political activism.Stop giving in to fear and become a responsible contributing memeber of society by being in charge of your own destiny.</p>
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		<title>By: hahaha</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/07/open-carry-the-wild-wild-west-or-sensible-precaution/comment-page-2/#comment-604164</link>
		<dc:creator>hahaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the solution to inner-city crime. Give everyone a gun so all streets can be safe for Betsy Sue and Jim Bob to stroll through cheerfully.</description>
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		<title>By: robotleawesome</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/07/open-carry-the-wild-wild-west-or-sensible-precaution/comment-page-2/#comment-603960</link>
		<dc:creator>robotleawesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bah, excuse the &quot;no&quot; I used in place of &quot;know&quot; it&#039;s early still - haha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bah, excuse the "no" I used in place of "know" it's early still - haha.</p>
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		<title>By: robotleawesome</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/07/open-carry-the-wild-wild-west-or-sensible-precaution/comment-page-2/#comment-603958</link>
		<dc:creator>robotleawesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem with guns is the fact that the most opinionated people on the subject no nothing about them. These are also the people who live in fear of firearms. 

You know who is likely to follow gun laws? law abiding citizens – you know who will have guns despite the strictest of gun control laws? criminals. 

A good example is all this &quot;someone will grab it out of the holster&quot; talk – guns are incredibly difficult to pull out of someone else&#039;s holster; you&#039;d practically have to incapacitate the owner first. 

You know who&#039;s opinion I will respect? The people who&#039;ve gone to shooting ranges, learned about gun safety, and maybe even fired a few rounds. If you&#039;ve done that – and still want to tell me that guns are some sort of ticking time bomb then go ahead; but I&#039;m really tired of armchair politics on the subject who don&#039;t even bother to educate themselves on the subject besides googling &quot;gun control statistics&quot;. 

I also have this to say to the fellow from Belgium above – do you hear about all the stabbings in Japan? Maybe they should outlaw knives as well – point being, people kill people. 

Although, in this case I prefer concealed rather than open-carry; but it&#039;s not my place to decide for this guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem with guns is the fact that the most opinionated people on the subject no nothing about them. These are also the people who live in fear of firearms. </p>
<p>You know who is likely to follow gun laws? law abiding citizens – you know who will have guns despite the strictest of gun control laws? criminals. </p>
<p>A good example is all this "someone will grab it out of the holster" talk – guns are incredibly difficult to pull out of someone else's holster; you'd practically have to incapacitate the owner first. </p>
<p>You know who's opinion I will respect? The people who've gone to shooting ranges, learned about gun safety, and maybe even fired a few rounds. If you've done that – and still want to tell me that guns are some sort of ticking time bomb then go ahead; but I'm really tired of armchair politics on the subject who don't even bother to educate themselves on the subject besides googling "gun control statistics". </p>
<p>I also have this to say to the fellow from Belgium above – do you hear about all the stabbings in Japan? Maybe they should outlaw knives as well – point being, people kill people. </p>
<p>Although, in this case I prefer concealed rather than open-carry; but it's not my place to decide for this guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Skipweasel</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/07/open-carry-the-wild-wild-west-or-sensible-precaution/comment-page-2/#comment-603886</link>
		<dc:creator>Skipweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freeman:&quot;I mean really, who are you going to rob: the guy with the .45 on his waist or the guy that doesn’t?&quot;

Let&#039;s think this through then.

Someone goes out intending to rob someone.
He sees you with a gun on your hip.
He chooses to rob someone else.

The upshot is that /someone/ has been robbed. What you&#039;ve done by carrying an visible weapon is pushed the problem onto someone else who doesn&#039;t carry a gun. You may think that&#039;s OK - you&#039;re probably thinking that /everyone/ should carry a gun so there&#039;ll be no robbery. 
EVERYONE.

What about children?
What about weird people with voices in their heads?

By your standards they would presumably deserve the perceived protection that a weapon offers and you&#039;d be happy for them to carry a gun - indeed, you&#039;d expect them to carry a gun.
Now that /is/ weird!

Me - I&#039;d rather not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freeman:"I mean really, who are you going to rob: the guy with the .45 on his waist or the guy that doesn’t?"</p>
<p>Let's think this through then.</p>
<p>Someone goes out intending to rob someone.<br />
He sees you with a gun on your hip.<br />
He chooses to rob someone else.</p>
<p>The upshot is that /someone/ has been robbed. What you've done by carrying an visible weapon is pushed the problem onto someone else who doesn't carry a gun. You may think that's OK - you're probably thinking that /everyone/ should carry a gun so there'll be no robbery.<br />
EVERYONE.</p>
<p>What about children?<br />
What about weird people with voices in their heads?</p>
<p>By your standards they would presumably deserve the perceived protection that a weapon offers and you'd be happy for them to carry a gun - indeed, you'd expect them to carry a gun.<br />
Now that /is/ weird!</p>
<p>Me - I'd rather not.</p>
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		<title>By: c-dub</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/07/open-carry-the-wild-wild-west-or-sensible-precaution/comment-page-2/#comment-603176</link>
		<dc:creator>c-dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t particularly worry about criminals – that’s why I don’t feel a need to own or carry a gun.  If you were to ask me who’s living in their “own little world of fear,” I’d say it’s the guy who’s sleeping with a gun next to his bed, not me.

Personally, I choose not to expose my family to the real dangers of firearms in order to feel secure against some perceived, minor threat.  Yes, you can be a responsible gun owner, of course, and if you want to keep guns in your own house, I won’t object.  I think it’s silly, and careless, but I won’t object.  I will object, though, if you decide to have a gun in the presence of my family.  You want me to start taking care of myself and my family?  Ok, I’ll start by asking you not to carry incredibly dangerous objects around my children.

But to get to the heart of the matter: the reason why we have more gun-related crime in this country than most (all?) other developed nations is not because we have more guns, or different laws.  It’s because our culture is simultaneously infatuated with violence, and paranoid.  We won’t make any progress on this issue until we affect change in both areas – and toting guns around in public is a move in the wrong direction on both counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t particularly worry about criminals – that’s why I don’t feel a need to own or carry a gun.  If you were to ask me who’s living in their “own little world of fear,” I’d say it’s the guy who’s sleeping with a gun next to his bed, not me.</p>
<p>Personally, I choose not to expose my family to the real dangers of firearms in order to feel secure against some perceived, minor threat.  Yes, you can be a responsible gun owner, of course, and if you want to keep guns in your own house, I won’t object.  I think it’s silly, and careless, but I won’t object.  I will object, though, if you decide to have a gun in the presence of my family.  You want me to start taking care of myself and my family?  Ok, I’ll start by asking you not to carry incredibly dangerous objects around my children.</p>
<p>But to get to the heart of the matter: the reason why we have more gun-related crime in this country than most (all?) other developed nations is not because we have more guns, or different laws.  It’s because our culture is simultaneously infatuated with violence, and paranoid.  We won’t make any progress on this issue until we affect change in both areas – and toting guns around in public is a move in the wrong direction on both counts.</p>
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		<title>By: TravisB</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/07/open-carry-the-wild-wild-west-or-sensible-precaution/comment-page-2/#comment-603023</link>
		<dc:creator>TravisB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When are people going to stop worrying about everyone else and start worrying about themselves.  No matter how hard anyone tries there simply is no possible way you can prevent everyone from doing stupid things, breaking laws, committing crimes, etc.  We&#039;re all imperfect.  Owning and carrying firearms is fundamentally about taking charge of your own life and own self defense.  It&#039;s not about wanting to kill people as some have so naively implied.  It&#039;s about YOUR right to own tools for your self defense.  Ask yourself how much you value YOUR own life, how much do you want to live?  A firearm is a tool, sort of a force multiplier.  It evens the odds for 100lb females versus 250lb 6&#039;5&quot; rapists.  It evens the odds for elderly people faced with a group of young robbers.  Would you really deny people who are disabled or disadvantaged the right to defend themselves, in essence the right to live?  No of course you wouldn&#039;t.  Owning a firearm doesn&#039;t have to be about wanting to kill as some imply, it can simply be about loving yourself and/or your family so much that you want to live and not be at an attacker&#039;s mercy or face certain death.

Legislation is NO substitute for morality or a lack thereof.  People need to stop thinking in that manner and trying to legislate against everything they dislike or everything they are afraid of and don&#039;t understand.  As humans are imperfect, we will always have idiots and criminals, at least for the foreseeable future in my lifetime.  Stop worrying about what those fools are doing and start worrying about taking care of yourself.  I&#039;m a law-abiding gun owner.  I follow the law, I exercise firearm safety and don&#039;t endanger anyone, therefore what I do is my own business and in no way affects other&#039;s lives.  If some of you can&#039;t reconcile the thought of strong-minded individual&#039;s taking charge of their own lives and taking charge of their own self defense, then keep living in your own little world of fear.  I can assure you, firearms do not have minds of their own.  Just because some people do carry them, does not mean the guns are going to fly off of people&#039;s hips and start shooting up the room on their own.  Be afraid of the criminals and idiots and stop worrying about us safe and law-abiding gun owners as we do not deserve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are people going to stop worrying about everyone else and start worrying about themselves.  No matter how hard anyone tries there simply is no possible way you can prevent everyone from doing stupid things, breaking laws, committing crimes, etc.  We're all imperfect.  Owning and carrying firearms is fundamentally about taking charge of your own life and own self defense.  It's not about wanting to kill people as some have so naively implied.  It's about YOUR right to own tools for your self defense.  Ask yourself how much you value YOUR own life, how much do you want to live?  A firearm is a tool, sort of a force multiplier.  It evens the odds for 100lb females versus 250lb 6'5" rapists.  It evens the odds for elderly people faced with a group of young robbers.  Would you really deny people who are disabled or disadvantaged the right to defend themselves, in essence the right to live?  No of course you wouldn't.  Owning a firearm doesn't have to be about wanting to kill as some imply, it can simply be about loving yourself and/or your family so much that you want to live and not be at an attacker's mercy or face certain death.</p>
<p>Legislation is NO substitute for morality or a lack thereof.  People need to stop thinking in that manner and trying to legislate against everything they dislike or everything they are afraid of and don't understand.  As humans are imperfect, we will always have idiots and criminals, at least for the foreseeable future in my lifetime.  Stop worrying about what those fools are doing and start worrying about taking care of yourself.  I'm a law-abiding gun owner.  I follow the law, I exercise firearm safety and don't endanger anyone, therefore what I do is my own business and in no way affects other's lives.  If some of you can't reconcile the thought of strong-minded individual's taking charge of their own lives and taking charge of their own self defense, then keep living in your own little world of fear.  I can assure you, firearms do not have minds of their own.  Just because some people do carry them, does not mean the guns are going to fly off of people's hips and start shooting up the room on their own.  Be afraid of the criminals and idiots and stop worrying about us safe and law-abiding gun owners as we do not deserve it.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertB</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/07/open-carry-the-wild-wild-west-or-sensible-precaution/comment-page-2/#comment-602912</link>
		<dc:creator>RobertB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And you know what? The Second Amendment is nonsense. Maybe it was an important document when it was written, but it’s neither necessary nor effective today. You need some means of controlling the government? My friends, this is a democracy: you ARE the government.&quot;

Have you ever heard about The Battle of Athens (1946)?
http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1985/2/1985_2_72.shtml

It&#039;s an interesting read.  Really :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"And you know what? The Second Amendment is nonsense. Maybe it was an important document when it was written, but it’s neither necessary nor effective today. You need some means of controlling the government? My friends, this is a democracy: you ARE the government."</p>
<p>Have you ever heard about The Battle of Athens (1946)?<br />
<a href="http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1985/2/1985_2_72.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1985/2/1985_2_72. shtml</a></p>
<p>It's an interesting read.  Really <img src='http://www.neatorama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: c-dub</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/07/open-carry-the-wild-wild-west-or-sensible-precaution/comment-page-2/#comment-602794</link>
		<dc:creator>c-dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s impossible to effectively argue logic with the gun fetishists, because as soon as you do, they invoke the Second Amendment.  And you know what?  The Second Amendment is nonsense.  Maybe it was an important document when it was written, but it’s neither necessary nor effective today.  You need some means of controlling the government?  My friends, this is a democracy: you ARE the government.  Try exercising that right and responsibility in a more meaningful way than strutting around town with a killing machine stuck to your hip.  The only thing you accomplish by wearing a gun in public is promoting a culture of paranoia – and endangering innocent lives in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s impossible to effectively argue logic with the gun fetishists, because as soon as you do, they invoke the Second Amendment.  And you know what?  The Second Amendment is nonsense.  Maybe it was an important document when it was written, but it’s neither necessary nor effective today.  You need some means of controlling the government?  My friends, this is a democracy: you ARE the government.  Try exercising that right and responsibility in a more meaningful way than strutting around town with a killing machine stuck to your hip.  The only thing you accomplish by wearing a gun in public is promoting a culture of paranoia – and endangering innocent lives in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: rdubs</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/07/open-carry-the-wild-wild-west-or-sensible-precaution/comment-page-2/#comment-602664</link>
		<dc:creator>rdubs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, im sure we want a bunch of bored rednecks with M16s instead of pistols.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, im sure we want a bunch of bored rednecks with M16s instead of pistols.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertB</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/07/open-carry-the-wild-wild-west-or-sensible-precaution/comment-page-2/#comment-602344</link>
		<dc:creator>RobertB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What ever happened to “a well-regulated militia”? The gun lovers seem to forget the well-regulated part, as well as the militia part. Militias would be armed with rifles, not handguns.&quot;

In the 18th century, &quot;well regulated&quot; meant &quot;well functioning&quot;, like an Regulator clock.  It still means that, it&#039;s just not a common usage anymore.

Fast-forward 150 or 200 years and they would be armed with machine guns.  Are you sure you wanna go there?  (before you protest that the Founders never imagined machine guns in their day, do you think they imagined cell phones, the Internet, and high-speed printing presses?  Does that make the 1st Amendment any less relevant?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"What ever happened to “a well-regulated militia”? The gun lovers seem to forget the well-regulated part, as well as the militia part. Militias would be armed with rifles, not handguns."</p>
<p>In the 18th century, "well regulated" meant "well functioning", like an Regulator clock.  It still means that, it's just not a common usage anymore.</p>
<p>Fast-forward 150 or 200 years and they would be armed with machine guns.  Are you sure you wanna go there?  (before you protest that the Founders never imagined machine guns in their day, do you think they imagined cell phones, the Internet, and high-speed printing presses?  Does that make the 1st Amendment any less relevant?)</p>
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		<title>By: H088</title>
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		<dc:creator>H088</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jake:

New York already has concealed carry, so people are packing, you just don&#039;t see it.</description>
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<p>New York already has concealed carry, so people are packing, you just don't see it.</p>
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		<title>By: H088</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/07/open-carry-the-wild-wild-west-or-sensible-precaution/comment-page-2/#comment-602258</link>
		<dc:creator>H088</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol you idiots, it clearly states the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Anyone who argues differently is a moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol you idiots, it clearly states the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.</p>
<p>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.</p>
<p>Anyone who argues differently is a moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Christophe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tried to read everything but the post was too hot ;)


Anyway, I googled &#039;western cliche&#039; and I think we should add this sentence to the article :
&quot;There&#039;s a shootout between some drunken cowpokes over at the old corral, the schoolmarm&#039;s been kidnapped by the Boulder Gang, a dying rider with an arrow in his back says that the Indians have attacked a passing wagon train, and Deputy Bob&#039;s got a bullet in him but Old Doc&#039;s passed out from too much whiskey. Just the start of an average day for a Sheriff in the Old West.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried to read everything but the post was too hot <img src='http://www.neatorama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, I googled 'western cliche' and I think we should add this sentence to the article :<br />
"There's a shootout between some drunken cowpokes over at the old corral, the schoolmarm's been kidnapped by the Boulder Gang, a dying rider with an arrow in his back says that the Indians have attacked a passing wagon train, and Deputy Bob's got a bullet in him but Old Doc's passed out from too much whiskey. Just the start of an average day for a Sheriff in the Old West."</p>
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