Comments on: Mazda Destroyed 4,703 Brand New Cars After Cargo Ship Accident http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/ The Neat Side of the Web Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:15:36 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Sam Pharoah http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-1077198 Sam Pharoah Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:58:16 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-1077198 Back in the day, when glutamine came out as the latest sweetener, think it was right after saccharin was the hot deal, food manufacturers converted an entire year's food supply to glutamine, until some FDA got a hair up their keister that glutamines were cancer causing, then we had to help our grandfather to empty out his entire food warehouse and bury it in the nearby landfill, back before there was inventory loss for FDA declaration, and ours was 1 of 100,000s similar food product destructions which continue today with 1000s TONS of food destroyed. All the shrimp fed on Chinese melamine for example, but now FDA says well, a "little bit" is OK for humans, like a little bit of mercury, or dioxins, or perchlorates. The really sad part is that now codes are requiring storm water remediation at the cost of billions because it contains pet poop bacteria, but those same billions aren't being spent to keep the poop out of our food! Back in the day, when glutamine came out as the latest sweetener, think it was right after saccharin was the hot deal, food manufacturers converted an entire year's food supply to glutamine, until some FDA got a hair up their keister that glutamines were cancer causing, then we had to help our grandfather to empty out his entire food warehouse and bury it in the nearby landfill, back before there was inventory loss for FDA declaration, and ours was 1 of 100,000s similar food product destructions which continue today with 1000s TONS of food destroyed. All the shrimp fed on Chinese melamine for example, but now FDA says well, a "little bit" is OK for humans, like a little bit of mercury, or dioxins, or perchlorates. The really sad part is that now codes are requiring storm water remediation at the cost of billions because it contains pet poop bacteria, but those same billions aren't being spent to keep the poop out of our food!

]]> By: Sid Morrison http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-543174 Sid Morrison Thu, 08 May 2008 21:01:44 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-543174 It's a huge liability risk. You can get a buyer to sign something, but then they sell the car to someone who sells it to someone else, &c. I was an automotive engineer for a US manufacturer for 12 years and we crushed a lot of test cars that were only lightly used. They could have been sold as low-mileage used (not new of course) cars, but it just wasn't worth the risk. Recovering $20K isn't worth a future lawsuit that could pay out tens of millions and generate a lot of bad press. It's a huge liability risk. You can get a buyer to sign something, but then they sell the car to someone who sells it to someone else, &c.

I was an automotive engineer for a US manufacturer for 12 years and we crushed a lot of test cars that were only lightly used. They could have been sold as low-mileage used (not new of course) cars, but it just wasn't worth the risk. Recovering $20K isn't worth a future lawsuit that could pay out tens of millions and generate a lot of bad press.

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]]> By: definitelyme http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-542231 definitelyme Thu, 08 May 2008 11:00:28 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-542231 yeah, i'm sure they didn't simply destroy them, they would have been able to re-use the majority of the parts. yeah, i'm sure they didn't simply destroy them, they would have been able to re-use the majority of the parts.

]]> By: BikerRay http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-542150 BikerRay Thu, 08 May 2008 09:32:15 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-542150 I can't think of any damage a car could suffer from being tilted over. Even if inverted, the only thing you'd have to do is get the oil out of the cylinder heads. And rusted? The cars were in containers, not on the deck. Certainly less salt damage than a car suffers from sitting in a car lot for a couple of months in a coastal town. I would have taken one for, say, 25% off the price. I think they saw it as a PR exercise, and, besides, their insurance paid for it. I can't think of any damage a car could suffer from being tilted over. Even if inverted, the only thing you'd have to do is get the oil out of the cylinder heads. And rusted? The cars were in containers, not on the deck. Certainly less salt damage than a car suffers from sitting in a car lot for a couple of months in a coastal town.
I would have taken one for, say, 25% off the price.
I think they saw it as a PR exercise, and, besides, their insurance paid for it.

]]> By: rizwan http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-541759 rizwan Thu, 08 May 2008 02:55:49 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-541759 i think they could have salvaged some parts of the cars for instance the body. the doors, trunk lid, etc etc are all worth money. i think they could have salvaged some parts of the cars for instance the body. the doors, trunk lid, etc etc are all worth money.

]]> By: L http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-541692 L Thu, 08 May 2008 02:02:29 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-541692 I hope they at least did a little recycling... I hope they at least did a little recycling...

]]> By: sikantis http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-541680 sikantis Thu, 08 May 2008 01:52:26 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-541680 Yes, I think the unknown damages were the problem. At the end it's the safety for the persons which counts. Yes, I think the unknown damages were the problem. At the end it's the safety for the persons which counts.

]]> By: Jess http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-541633 Jess Thu, 08 May 2008 01:14:03 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-541633 Better safe than sorry I suppose. Those engines are probably rusted out anyway. Even if they sold the cars cheap the they'd probably be high maintenence and need replacement parts pretty quickly. Better safe than sorry I suppose. Those engines are probably rusted out anyway. Even if they sold the cars cheap the they'd probably be high maintenence and need replacement parts pretty quickly.

]]> By: Erik http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-541306 Erik Wed, 07 May 2008 20:34:57 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-541306 I originally read about this in wired (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/16-03/ff_seacowboys?currentPage=all) . The Washington Times failed to mention that one of the salvage guys died during the recovery of the cargo ship. That makes it all the more tragic and sad. I originally read about this in wired (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/16-03/ff_seacowboys  ?currentPage=all) . The Washington Times failed to mention that one of the salvage guys died during the recovery of the cargo ship. That makes it all the more tragic and sad.

]]> By: Sofar http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-541299 Sofar Wed, 07 May 2008 20:30:32 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-541299 There have been bigger wastes. It kind of bothers me though, that there are so many things I want to do that I can't because no one can take my word as a sane human being that I'm not going to sue anyone. There have been bigger wastes. It kind of bothers me though, that there are so many things I want to do that I can't because no one can take my word as a sane human being that I'm not going to sue anyone.

]]> By: bean http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-541290 bean Wed, 07 May 2008 20:14:13 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-541290 Mazda has a very long tradition of honor and workmanship in Japan, and in the US to a slightly lesser extent, so I wouldn't have been surprised by this ten years ago. But since they got bought by Ford, I assumed all of the quality and ethics would've been thrown out the window. Nice. Mazda has a very long tradition of honor and workmanship in Japan, and in the US to a slightly lesser extent, so I wouldn't have been surprised by this ten years ago. But since they got bought by Ford, I assumed all of the quality and ethics would've been thrown out the window. Nice.

]]> By: Rich http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-541261 Rich Wed, 07 May 2008 19:45:33 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-541261 but that's the litigious, get-even society we live in... where fear of lawsuit outweighs 'good faith' actions. but that's the litigious, get-even society we live in... where fear of lawsuit outweighs 'good faith' actions.

]]> By: luvpumpkns http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/07/mazda-destroyed-4703-brand-new-cars-after-cargo-ship-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-541243 luvpumpkns Wed, 07 May 2008 19:25:16 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=16147#comment-541243 i understand the concern about scammers, but it seems that anyone wanting to purchase the car rightfully should be able to sign some kind of waiver accepting that the car may have unknown problems. just seems like a sad waste to destroy all those cars when apparently, schools could be using them. i understand the concern about scammers, but it seems that anyone wanting to purchase the car rightfully should be able to sign some kind of waiver accepting that the car may have unknown problems. just seems like a sad waste to destroy all those cars when apparently, schools could be using them.

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