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26 comments to "California Teacher Fired for Not Signing Loyalty Oath"
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JET
May 4th, 2008 at
3:34 am
Unmutual!
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A
May 4th, 2008 at
4:44 am
Another story from the land of nothing for free!
Be sure to google for the news on the guy from Canada who may face extridition and serve 10 years to life in prison in the U.S. for selling SEEDS! Is this your land of freedom, where nature is illegal? I spit upon your so-called freedom in disgust.
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alice
May 4th, 2008 at
5:11 am
Why do teachers/lecturers etc. have to still sign the oath? If it was to roo out communism, well, communism isn’t a threat to America anymore, so, what’s the point?
If it’s to show patriotism, then surely every American citizen would sign it..?
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bean
May 4th, 2008 at
5:52 am
This lady seems like a special kind of stupid. The God referenced in these oaths is clearly the same Judeo-Christian God that she worships, and what made her think there was any chance whatsoever of actually having to physically defend these constitutions? Even if she were drafted today, she’d have the chance to serve a noncombat function.
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Carl
May 4th, 2008 at
6:58 am
Ohhh no someone standing up for their principals…what a psycho!
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CheeseDuck
May 4th, 2008 at
8:33 am
Uh. What? Isn’t that against the Constitution to force people to do that?
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License Farm
May 4th, 2008 at
9:15 am
Look, it’s technically illegal for employers to require piss tests, but they do all the time and nobody raises too much of a stink because a) those for whom it’s an issue are likely to flunk the tests, so best to not attract attention to themselves, and b) those for whom it’s not an issue are all too willing to comply. Casual violations of our rights happen all the time, and the assumption of guilt raised by unwillingness to be violated makes it enormously difficult to change anything.
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Charles
May 4th, 2008 at
9:25 am
bean, the god she worships takes great pity the lengths the US goes to abuse His name in everything from the pResident on down, and clearly, you’re in that goose-stepping minority. Jesus was a pacifist and would most certainly be a liberal, and of course “liberal” to the hard soulless, consciously, hypocritical right, is the new “communist.”Which brings us to, if you take a step back, it’s not about gods or oaths but really only about empowering the power elite and stripping the rights of the common person. It’s evil hidden behind jingoism trumped as patriotism, the type of thing that would have some of the nation’s forefathers spinning in their graves. I’m proud of people that stand up like this teacher, if not, we’ll wind up like China, only minus the manufacturing sector.
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Craig
May 4th, 2008 at
9:46 am
@ “A” By any chance is your last name “Hole” ?
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fsmarch
May 4th, 2008 at
9:59 am
Nice point, Craig !
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DrJones
May 4th, 2008 at
10:09 am
Well said Craig. An I also have to wonder what the point of the oath is. I would think 99% of Americans would naturally want to uphold the things in this oath, so what’s the point?
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Mike Harris
May 4th, 2008 at
11:40 am
Didn’t Cal State learn from the last time they did this?
“In February, another Cal State instructor, Quaker math teacher Marianne Kearney-Brown, was fired because she inserted the word ‘nonviolently’ when she signed the oath. She was quickly rehired after her case attracted media attention.”
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Parker
May 4th, 2008 at
12:49 pm
Her contract was to teach, the oath extends that (with no extra compensation I assume) to something unknown and general that based on what the dean or whoever runs the school wants can enforce by simple threat of firing. Most people at a level to teach college would never even consider signing such a thing. I’m surprised they have teachers at all.
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Thebes
May 4th, 2008 at
1:32 pm
I don’t see what the big deal is. I mean, I am sure that other tyrannical governments have enforced such oaths on their subjects, right?
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Tempscire
May 4th, 2008 at
2:55 pm
I can’t believe such an oath is even legal. Or rather, “constitutional,” seeing as how it’s built in CA law.
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We are in some deep S#*^t
May 4th, 2008 at
3:26 pm
who gives a fuck california is going to be in the ocean or an island in a cuple of million years
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Art
May 4th, 2008 at
4:18 pm
Great news. We in the US leave the door open. She is free to surrender her US passport and move to Zimbabwe, Congo or Cuba and practice her pacifism there.
We have always given the commies in our midst the freedom to relocate to that island paradise just off the Florida coast, with its legendary educational and healthcare systems, but strangely they never seem to take advantage of it.
She seeks the benefits of a nation and a civilization that others have fought, bled and died for without recognizing any obligation to perpetuate or uphold the founding principals and traditions of the same. That’s not a pacifist, it’s a parasite.
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Lea
May 4th, 2008 at
4:54 pm
I’m don’t see how such a statement can be constitutional at all, or what purpose it even serves other than another excercise of beauracratic-paper wastage.
And if a place fired me for not wanting to sign something which I did not want to sign because of my religion, I wouldn’t want to work there anyway.
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L
May 4th, 2008 at
5:00 pm
How soon you folks seem to forget some of the reasons your country was created in the first place. Like… freedom from religious persecution. Oh, well. It was nice while it lasted, right?
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OldKnight
May 4th, 2008 at
10:45 pm
Although I do not agree with the woman’s pacifist viewpoint, I support and applaud her decision to stand up for her belief.
The oath requirement is worse than stupid. Does anyone think that a real spy or enemy agent wouldn’t have a problem signing a thousand loyalty oaths? The oath is about as useful as requiring little school children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance that uses words they can’t even pronounce let alone understand.
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DanO
May 5th, 2008 at
7:24 am
Art, read the constitution some time. She is recognizing the principles you described by protesting. She could sue and she would win.
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Bandit
May 5th, 2008 at
8:21 am
Oh, geez, if you want the job just play along and sign the stupid form. Like the State of California is going to make this precious little cupcake armwrestle Osama.
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MightyCow
May 5th, 2008 at
7:34 pm
Why the heck should anyone have to sign an oath to be a teacher? An oath to teach students to the best of her ability, maybe I can see that.
An oath to defend anything is a little beyond the purview of a teacher. Her job is to TEACH, period.
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ted
May 5th, 2008 at
11:26 pm
Oaths are stupid, anyways. Something tells me she did it on purpose to attract attention. Are Quakers media-whores?
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Pol x
May 6th, 2008 at
6:51 am
the whole oatyhthing is a HUAC left over.
All the yanks were keen as mustard to salute the flag and goose step into a brighter westinghouse tomorrow that they sold out their much vaunted founding fathers ideals.
If someone was a commie hell bent on bringing down the USA I doubt that an oath not worth the paper it was written on would prove a stumbling block.
Similarly obtaining a written guarentee from the 911 bombers that they cross their hearts and hope to die ,swear to god they’ll not go flying planes at buildings, would have averted that horrror.
This is not a loyalty oath, it’s designed to see who’ll bend the knee, and how fast.
some of the people who post on here would break their knee caps they’d bend them so fast.
I’ve always admireed the power and idealism that is enshrined in your constitution and bill of rights, and almost as consistently been sickened by the serf caste epsiloms of the US who equate dissent with treason.
Your country is based on treason.
Against the King.
And good on you for kicking that parasite out of your nation.
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Just Me
May 6th, 2008 at
7:51 am
“That’s not a pacifist, it’s a parasite.”
LOL
Living in the real world must cause you a fierce amount of stress, son….
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