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14 Comments to "Army Study: Bad Recruits Make Good Soldiers"
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Anonymouse
May 1st, 2008 at
3:17 pm
It couldn’t be that persons of lower intellect are drawn to crime, and also happen to be more suggestible, and thus more likely to “tow the line” of military thinking, now could it?
No, probably not.
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DCer
May 1st, 2008 at
3:44 pm
I worked with many people in the military and would say that the same attraction one would have to organized street gangs (authority where there was none at home, lack of internal drive) absolutely corresponds to the military lifestyle (strong center of authority, clear rules, obedience). This is not meant a criticism of the military. I found that people with creativity and internal drive did not fare as well because they bucked authority. A Junior gang member might really crave the ability to wear a Marine Corps tattoo.
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Pol x
May 1st, 2008 at
4:06 pm
Anonymouse
Oh sure, yes and you can tell them by their sloping foreheads and other curious Phrenological bumps.
C’mon!!
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pwscott
May 1st, 2008 at
4:30 pm
Still sounds like the “Dilbert Principle” to me.
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bean
May 1st, 2008 at
5:03 pm
Army training is specifically designed to break down recruits and rebuild them with only qualities the Army deems useful. More creative, intelligent and independent people are too resistant to conditioning to fare well in the lower ranks of the military, and are also less likely to commit petty crimes.
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Alecks
May 1st, 2008 at
5:43 pm
“they will be a better person for having made that mistake and learned from it, than perhaps somebody who didn’t make the mistake and didn’t have the opportunity to learn.”
This makes me laugh. People who drive aggressively, do drugs, or involve themselves in criminal activity are likely to be people who are reckless, thrill-seeking, and maybe even psychopathic. Sure, feats that get rewarded with medals for valor may sometimes be done by soldiers who carry with them notions of courage, sacrifice, etc, but what if the guy’s just irrational, or doesn’t fear negative consequences, or craves stimulation?
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Geekazoid
May 1st, 2008 at
5:44 pm
Methinks they’re trying to put a ‘positive’ spin on recruits with previous criminal records. As you all may or may not know, the military has been in the news lately with stories of increasing numbers of recruits with felony backgrounds, etc., in order to boost numbers. The fact of the matter is, the military needs bodies, and needs them now. So probably this “study” was meant to put another side to that story.
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CheeseDuck
May 1st, 2008 at
6:58 pm
These “bad” recruits probably already have all this great experience with weaponry and such.
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Taurean
May 1st, 2008 at
8:33 pm
I’m in the US Army Reserve and have been arrested twice for B&E charges before i joined. It’s true, people with ‘unique’ backgrounds make for better leaders and soldiers in the long run. I personally wouldn’t want to be led by someone afraid to deviate from the bureaucracy that is our modern military. It’s called trust, something you don’t get from politicians.
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Lasse
May 2nd, 2008 at
2:01 am
Violent people make better soldiers. What a surprise.
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Woman
May 2nd, 2008 at
6:07 am
Well, I joined the military because I was poor and unable to pay for college at the time. My experience as someone who was in the Army (Active Duty), is that the majority of people who join are looking for a way out. Some are trying to leave their small towns, the ghetto, abusive parents/relationships…a lot simply don’t have the means to get through school, like myself. Does that equate to having an “attraction” to a gang-like lifestyle or that recruits lack “creativity and internal drive” when they do well? I love how people who know people who were in the military once think they know anything at all about what is to serve in the Armed Forces. Every individual who has served the Army has his/her own unique view of what being a soldier was for them. I actually wrote more about this, but I deleted it, because I realize that it doesn’t matter. Being in the military is an experience, if you haven’t done it, you just don’t get it.
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Video Game Dork
May 2nd, 2008 at
10:37 am
Was I the only one who notices the contradiction here?
“According to an Army study, recruits with …are more likely to drop out….
Then:
…those bad soldiers also .. stay longer..”?!
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fsmarch
May 2nd, 2008 at
11:47 am
I agree w/ bean, in that military training is based on total conformity to the rules.
Those who have the intellect to think “outside the box” do not do well in the service.
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J of The Sandhills
May 2nd, 2008 at
4:17 pm
co sign with those who say these dudes who join are trying to turn their life around. many do, some fail.
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