Comments on: The Weavers Code, a Conspiracy Theory of the Cathars http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/ The Neat Side of the Web Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:37:00 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: The Sensible Middle Ground http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-1753319 The Sensible Middle Ground Thu, 28 May 2009 03:47:55 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-1753319 With religion comes the bending of truth and with the bending of truth comes unreal fantasies of what we want to believe is happening or will happen...until every last person has done as much research as historians them selves visited Cathar history in Europe and really looked with a new perspective upon who they were, what they believed, what they are doing, and how they do it then no one her can really go rambling nonsense about the Cathars, "Wanted" is not a good description of who the Cathars were either so dont even start on that. Look them up read up on them and then we may seminar them diligently and find a common understanding. I for one am not Christian or any branch of it I do not believe in God no Jesus however there is no doubt he trod this earth. The Cathars were a group of religious men and women seeking the truth and enlightenment through their own way, sin, but all religions do the same things the Christians are know to teach peace, love, understanding, then why are they the most violent, non extremist, religion known to man. They killed all who they find different or controversial to their beliefs. We owe it to the Cathars to at least learn something about them thats fact not fiction before we go down talking them or supporting them. I'm neither against nor with Christianity but the facts stand true against them. 2012, fantasy or fact, no body knows but before we go making hasty assumptions of it let us look at the probabilities of what it is shall we. The Analytical Middle Ground, Brandon, BKDspeedster@aol.com Please if you have questions or concerns or wish for a page of references, etc. e-mail me i will be happy to help and discuss. With religion comes the bending of truth and with the bending of truth comes unreal fantasies of what we want to believe is happening or will happen...until every last person has done as much research as historians them selves visited Cathar history in Europe and really looked with a new perspective upon who they were, what they believed, what they are doing, and how they do it then no one her can really go rambling nonsense about the Cathars, "Wanted" is not a good description of who the Cathars were either so dont even start on that. Look them up read up on them and then we may seminar them diligently and find a common understanding. I for one am not Christian or any branch of it I do not believe in God no Jesus however there is no doubt he trod this earth. The Cathars were a group of religious men and women seeking the truth and enlightenment through their own way, sin, but all religions do the same things the Christians are know to teach peace, love, understanding, then why are they the most violent, non extremist, religion known to man. They killed all who they find different or controversial to their beliefs. We owe it to the Cathars to at least learn something about them thats fact not fiction before we go down talking them or supporting them. I'm neither against nor with Christianity but the facts stand true against them. 2012, fantasy or fact, no body knows but before we go making hasty assumptions of it let us look at the probabilities of what it is shall we.

The Analytical Middle Ground,
Brandon,
BKDspeedster@aol.com
Please if you have questions or concerns or wish for a page of references, etc. e-mail me i will be happy to help and discuss.

]]> By: ARGexpose http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-1092561 ARGexpose Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:09:25 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-1092561 Truth is the death of superstitious religion. Brad Hoffstetter Communications Division Assembly of good Christians http://www.cathar.net Truth is the death of superstitious religion.

Brad Hoffstetter
Communications Division
Assembly of good Christians
http://www.cathar.net

]]> By: religion is evil http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-1033921 religion is evil Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:43:14 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-1033921 religion is the death of truth religion is the death of truth

]]> By: ARGexpose http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-800117 ARGexpose Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:28:01 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-800117 Here is a "novel" idea if you want the real story of the Cathars....go to a library or bookstore and read a scholarly book i.e. one composed from facts, not fantasy. Some of the these various novels dumping the market of late may be entertaining, may be well written, may even contain some historical facts, but they remain first and foremost works of fiction. Brad Hoffstetter Communications Division Assembly of good Christians www.cathar.net Here is a "novel" idea if you want the real story of the Cathars....go to a library or bookstore and read a scholarly book i.e. one composed from facts, not fantasy. Some of the these various novels dumping the market of late may be entertaining, may be well written, may even contain some historical facts, but they remain first and foremost works of fiction.

Brad Hoffstetter
Communications Division
Assembly of good Christians
http://www.cathar.net

]]> By: morgan http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-773641 morgan Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:55:25 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-773641 Cristophe and ARGexpose are right. If you want the real story of the Cathars, check out a new book called The Fire and the Light: A Novel of the Cathars and the Lost Teachings of Christ. Cristophe and ARGexpose are right. If you want the real story of the Cathars, check out a new book called The Fire and the Light: A Novel of the Cathars and the Lost Teachings of Christ.

]]> By: ARGexpose http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-564643 ARGexpose Thu, 22 May 2008 17:40:39 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-564643 The video cited, along with the recent proliferation of online postings are part of a viral marketing campaign on behalf of Universal Pictures. There is no truth to their assertions whatsoever. Brad Hoffstetter, Communications Division, Assembly of good Christians. www.cathar.net The video cited, along with the recent proliferation of online postings are part of a viral marketing campaign on behalf of Universal Pictures. There is no truth to their assertions whatsoever. Brad Hoffstetter, Communications Division, Assembly of good Christians. http://www.cathar.net

]]> By: Bobo Lobo http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-532486 Bobo Lobo Thu, 01 May 2008 00:19:25 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-532486 Oh yes, the evil Catholic Church. They didn't have bomb vests back then I guess. Oh yes, the evil Catholic Church. They didn't have bomb vests back then I guess.

]]> By: Ed Hanz http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-532202 Ed Hanz Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:33:32 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-532202 Utter hogwash. The Cathar conspiracy theory was put to rest some time ago and very publicly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU I can't believe it is still making the rounds. Guess that's the joy of the internet. Utter hogwash. The Cathar conspiracy theory was put to rest some time ago and very publicly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

I can't believe it is still making the rounds. Guess that's the joy of the internet.

]]> By: edvard http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-531708 edvard Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:46:20 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-531708 Baigent and Leigh covered this in "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" Not much has happened since then. Baigent and Leigh covered this in "Holy Blood, Holy Grail"

Not much has happened since then.

]]> By: jesus was a gay man http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-531678 jesus was a gay man Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:30:28 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-531678 If its true its true, no matter who says it...Jesus loving brainwashed freaks. Oh Look its the second coming!!!! ZOMG!!!!!!! Chariots of fire and everything!!!!!! . . . . . . . Made you look. If its true its true, no matter who says it...Jesus loving brainwashed freaks.

Oh Look its the second coming!!!! ZOMG!!!!!!! Chariots of fire and everything!!!!!!
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]]> By: just a guy http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-531189 just a guy Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:06:59 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-531189 Ayn Rand?! AAARRRGGGG Ayn Rand?! AAARRRGGGG

]]> By: Louisa http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-531056 Louisa Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:52:21 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-531056 ted, I wasn't going to say it, but I was thinking it. :) ted, I wasn't going to say it, but I was thinking it. :)

]]> By: ted http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530994 ted Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:37:48 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530994 Oh, god, now they're quoting Ayn Rand. Somebody shoot me... Oh, god, now they're quoting Ayn Rand. Somebody shoot me...

]]> By: Louisa http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530976 Louisa Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:14:57 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530976 I must be dense tonight but I'm still not clear on what these Cathars believe. I guess I just don't understand religious thought in general. That or I just got distracted by the good doctor's bow tie and matching handkerchief. I must be dense tonight but I'm still not clear on what these Cathars believe. I guess I just don't understand religious thought in general.
That or I just got distracted by the good doctor's bow tie and matching handkerchief.

]]> By: vertol http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530925 vertol Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:54:51 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530925 "That pretty much summarizes the catholic church (and what’s wrong with a lot of religion.)" Actually, this pretty much summarizes what's wrong with a lot of religion: In the words of Ayn Rand, "The good, say the mystics of spirit, is God, a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man’s power to conceive—a definition that invalidates man’s consciousness and nullifies his concepts of existence . . . Man’s mind, say the mystics of spirit, must be subordinated to the will of God . . . Man’s standard of value, say the mystics of spirit, is the pleasure of God, whose standards are beyond man’s power of comprehension and must be accepted on faith . . . The purpose of man’s life . . . is to become an abject zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question." "That pretty much summarizes the catholic church (and what’s wrong with a lot of religion.)"

Actually, this pretty much summarizes what's wrong with a lot of religion:

In the words of Ayn Rand, "The good, say the mystics of spirit, is God, a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man’s power to conceive—a definition that invalidates man’s consciousness and nullifies his concepts of existence . . . Man’s mind, say the mystics of spirit, must be subordinated to the will of God . . . Man’s standard of value, say the mystics of spirit, is the pleasure of God, whose standards are beyond man’s power of comprehension and must be accepted on faith . . . The purpose of man’s life . . . is to become an abject zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question."

]]> By: girard32 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530888 girard32 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:09:51 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530888 There are many logical flaws in this piece, beginning with the hypnotic effect of Dr. Atkins' hair, which may contain clues to the scrolls in it. The general state of anarchy proposed by most end times literature (the Revelations, Cormac McCarthy's "The Road", Mad Max, et al) leads me to the believe the end times will in reality consist of happiness and cake. Chocolate cake. With milk chocolate icing. There are many logical flaws in this piece, beginning with the hypnotic effect of Dr. Atkins' hair, which may contain clues to the scrolls in it.

The general state of anarchy proposed by most end times literature (the Revelations, Cormac McCarthy's "The Road", Mad Max, et al) leads me to the believe the end times will in reality consist of happiness and cake. Chocolate cake. With milk chocolate icing.

]]> By: CheeseDuck http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530746 CheeseDuck Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:32:38 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530746 I don't think any non-Christians would care about what these guys have to say. I don't think any non-Christians would care about what these guys have to say.

]]> By: Luke Bosshard http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530741 Luke Bosshard Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:31:35 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530741 any credibility that this video had went down the drain with Dr Patric Walsh Atkins brilliant performance. maybe the bowtie was a little too much. any credibility that this video had went down the drain with Dr Patric Walsh Atkins brilliant performance. maybe the bowtie was a little too much.

]]> By: CheeseDuck http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530679 CheeseDuck Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:03:43 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530679 HOLY CRAP! 2012 AGAIN! HOLY CRAP! 2012 AGAIN!

]]> By: Powell http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530618 Powell Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:31:57 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530618 Wow, was that dumb. Is there any filtering applied to content here? Or does just anything get the go ahead? Wow, was that dumb.
Is there any filtering applied to content here? Or does just anything get the go ahead?

]]> By: student of plato http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530571 student of plato Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:07:37 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530571 Also would I be mistaken in correcting that video by saying that the most dangerous heresy to challenge the church was the Aryan heresy (Jesus was not divine) which was widespread in Europe throughout the days of the early church. It wasn't until the creation and use of the nicene creed that the heresy was exterminated. Also would I be mistaken in correcting that video by saying that the most dangerous heresy to challenge the church was the Aryan heresy (Jesus was not divine) which was widespread in Europe throughout the days of the early church. It wasn't until the creation and use of the nicene creed that the heresy was exterminated.

]]> By: student of plato http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530543 student of plato Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:55:31 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530543 Actually. That theory is quite similar to the Christian Gnostic belief system - just taken to its rational extreme. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the root of the Cathar belief system. Also the year 2012 is no coincidence either. That's the end of the Mayan calendar which is the favorite date of the end of the current state of existence (not 2000 mind you). Actually. That theory is quite similar to the Christian Gnostic belief system - just taken to its rational extreme. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the root of the Cathar belief system. Also the year 2012 is no coincidence either. That's the end of the Mayan calendar which is the favorite date of the end of the current state of existence (not 2000 mind you).

]]> By: Video Game Dork http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530490 Video Game Dork Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:39:08 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530490 "Pope *Innocent* III launched the Albigensian Crusade to wipe out the Cathars (in which about 1 million people were killed)." That pretty much summarizes the catholic church (and what's wrong with a lot of religion.) And I am not an athiest. "Pope *Innocent* III launched the Albigensian Crusade to wipe out the Cathars (in which about 1 million people were killed)."

That pretty much summarizes the catholic church (and what's wrong with a lot of religion.)

And I am not an athiest.

]]> By: Ali S. http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530469 Ali S. Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:33:41 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530469 Mmmm. I love me a conspiracy! :) Mmmm. I love me a conspiracy! :)

]]> By: Christophe http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530370 Christophe Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:00:01 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530370 the Albigensian Crusade "created" the first Inquisition. Talibans cannot teach us anything : been there, done that. the Albigensian Crusade "created" the first Inquisition. Talibans cannot teach us anything : been there, done that.

]]> By: kid_icarus http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530369 kid_icarus Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:59:35 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530369 it's not april 1st again is it? it's not april 1st again is it?

]]> By: John Giotta http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/29/the-weavers-code-a-conspiracy-theory-of-the-cathars/comment-page-1/#comment-530345 John Giotta Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:41:21 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/?p=15981#comment-530345 So let me get this straight. Sin is matter; morality is decided by density? So let me get this straight. Sin is matter; morality is decided by density?

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