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		<title>By: chudez</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-513101</link>
		<dc:creator>chudez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in my humble opinion --

1. i have no legal, ethical or moral responsibility to read/watch/listen to any advertisement. 

2. technology that enables me to block ads is in principle no different from me ignoring ads by other means. using the fast forward in my TiVo is no different from me going to the bathroom during commercial breaks -- they both serve my purpose of avoiding ads, albeit the technology is inherently more effective, accurate and efficient at the task</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in my humble opinion --</p>
<p>1. i have no legal, ethical or moral responsibility to read/watch/listen to any advertisement. </p>
<p>2. technology that enables me to block ads is in principle no different from me ignoring ads by other means. using the fast forward in my TiVo is no different from me going to the bathroom during commercial breaks -- they both serve my purpose of avoiding ads, albeit the technology is inherently more effective, accurate and efficient at the task</p>
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		<title>By: Aramax</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-512672</link>
		<dc:creator>Aramax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Online ads complaint center.

Each ads has a number that identify witch publicity company ( Or individual ) made the ad. Right click and select the option to get the number of the ad. Go to the Online ads complaint center and type in that number.

These ads wont opportunate you anymore ever again.

This should be a service made available by all the internet provider company since they&#039;re the ones secretly benefiting from users losing half their time closing anoying pop-ups or whatever ads you can think about online. 

I pay for this service called the internet but this is not what I payed for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Online ads complaint center.</p>
<p>Each ads has a number that identify witch publicity company ( Or individual ) made the ad. Right click and select the option to get the number of the ad. Go to the Online ads complaint center and type in that number.</p>
<p>These ads wont opportunate you anymore ever again.</p>
<p>This should be a service made available by all the internet provider company since they're the ones secretly benefiting from users losing half their time closing anoying pop-ups or whatever ads you can think about online. </p>
<p>I pay for this service called the internet but this is not what I payed for.</p>
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		<title>By: Aramax</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-512657</link>
		<dc:creator>Aramax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they make their ads small, easy to view and non obstructive then it&#039;s alright with me.

If they make their ads a big animated thigny in the middle of what i&#039;m looking, accidently scroll over and video start, publicity over video i&#039;m currently watching or any of those annoying marketing scam ads then I just boycot the product or service for as long as I can remember the annoying ads.

Last night I was checking some game reviews on IGN and there was a cute little video publicity just in the center of the review ( not obstruing anything ) of some upcomming game I actually clicked on it to learn more and watched the previews. T&#039;was fun and now i&#039;m thinking about buying a nintendo DS.

Now for that other ad that kept on appearing each time I wanted to check the features of a game ( I was trying to find how many PS2 games had online capability ) about a movie by Jet Li... it made me regret going to the theater to watch that other Jet Li movie years ago.

There&#039;s a good way to do it and a bad way to do it. They should seriously think about making some online complain center for annoying ads because I dont even know if most of those ads are actually made by the people who want you to buy their product or service or competitors... would be a good way to trash the competition, just make annoying ads for your competitors... who&#039;s going to know it&#039;s not them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they make their ads small, easy to view and non obstructive then it's alright with me.</p>
<p>If they make their ads a big animated thigny in the middle of what i'm looking, accidently scroll over and video start, publicity over video i'm currently watching or any of those annoying marketing scam ads then I just boycot the product or service for as long as I can remember the annoying ads.</p>
<p>Last night I was checking some game reviews on IGN and there was a cute little video publicity just in the center of the review ( not obstruing anything ) of some upcomming game I actually clicked on it to learn more and watched the previews. T'was fun and now i'm thinking about buying a nintendo DS.</p>
<p>Now for that other ad that kept on appearing each time I wanted to check the features of a game ( I was trying to find how many PS2 games had online capability ) about a movie by Jet Li... it made me regret going to the theater to watch that other Jet Li movie years ago.</p>
<p>There's a good way to do it and a bad way to do it. They should seriously think about making some online complain center for annoying ads because I dont even know if most of those ads are actually made by the people who want you to buy their product or service or competitors... would be a good way to trash the competition, just make annoying ads for your competitors... who's going to know it's not them?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-512615</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is that my tests with Firefox 3.0 beta went fine except for the lack of the Adblock plugin.  Holy crap, what a difference that made to my browsing experience.  Thankfully the plugin is now available for the firefox beta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is that my tests with Firefox 3.0 beta went fine except for the lack of the Adblock plugin.  Holy crap, what a difference that made to my browsing experience.  Thankfully the plugin is now available for the firefox beta.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-512281</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I HATE FLASH ADS - these cannot be stopped/paused, and some use an amazing amount of CPU and video-card time.&quot;

There are flash stopping plugins for Firefox, look on mozilla&#039;s site in the addons/plugins section. You don&#039;t have to see flash unless you want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I HATE FLASH ADS - these cannot be stopped/paused, and some use an amazing amount of CPU and video-card time."</p>
<p>There are flash stopping plugins for Firefox, look on mozilla's site in the addons/plugins section. You don't have to see flash unless you want to.</p>
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		<title>By: MN</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-511650</link>
		<dc:creator>MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I despise intrusive ads. I hate the buzzing mosquito one, and I hate the ones that drop down on half of the website if you accidentally roll over it with a mouse. I avoid websites with annoying ads, and I avoid products that advertise in annoying ways. I run like hell from the hard sell.

I TiVO things for the luxury of not having to mute commercials and wait for them to be over.

That said, I don&#039;t think that adblocking is akin to stealing. As a viewer/consumer, I have a choice, and my choice is to not be bombarded with advertisement when I just want to read a web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I despise intrusive ads. I hate the buzzing mosquito one, and I hate the ones that drop down on half of the website if you accidentally roll over it with a mouse. I avoid websites with annoying ads, and I avoid products that advertise in annoying ways. I run like hell from the hard sell.</p>
<p>I TiVO things for the luxury of not having to mute commercials and wait for them to be over.</p>
<p>That said, I don't think that adblocking is akin to stealing. As a viewer/consumer, I have a choice, and my choice is to not be bombarded with advertisement when I just want to read a web site.</p>
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		<title>By: teqjack</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-511560</link>
		<dc:creator>teqjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way back when (the Betamax foo-for-raw) some suits claimed that not watching the ads was &quot;stealing&quot;: queried further, one CBS exec admitted his stance meant that if you watched CBS you were &quot;stealing&quot; from NBC and ABC because you were not watching their advertisements. 
 
Now, I don&#039;t mind static ads (picture with a link) and sometimes click on them. And animated GIF ads I can right-click to kill &quot;loop&quot; and then &quot;rewind&quot; if I want to hang onto the site (as a tabbed occurence). 
 
I HATE FLASH ADS - these cannot be stopped/paused, and some use an amazing amount of CPU and video-card time. At least they seem to have changed the &quot;default&quot; option -- perhaps never implemented, but there in the right-click menu -- to turn on your webcam, if you have one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way back when (the Betamax foo-for-raw) some suits claimed that not watching the ads was "stealing": queried further, one CBS exec admitted his stance meant that if you watched CBS you were "stealing" from NBC and ABC because you were not watching their advertisements. </p>
<p>Now, I don't mind static ads (picture with a link) and sometimes click on them. And animated GIF ads I can right-click to kill "loop" and then "rewind" if I want to hang onto the site (as a tabbed occurence). </p>
<p>I HATE FLASH ADS - these cannot be stopped/paused, and some use an amazing amount of CPU and video-card time. At least they seem to have changed the "default" option -- perhaps never implemented, but there in the right-click menu -- to turn on your webcam, if you have one.</p>
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		<title>By: gorf</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-511533</link>
		<dc:creator>gorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How ridiculous.  I guess by this logic it&#039;s also theft if I decide to browse the web in lynx, right?

pft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How ridiculous.  I guess by this logic it's also theft if I decide to browse the web in lynx, right?</p>
<p>pft.</p>
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		<title>By: northley</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510886</link>
		<dc:creator>northley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Adblock Plus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Adblock Plus!</p>
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		<title>By: csbmonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510859</link>
		<dc:creator>csbmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s like a device that automatically skips ads on TV...&lt;/i&gt;

I actually have a VCR that will do this.  There was coding on the original ReplayTV that would do this as well, which was of a great amount of concern to the networks when it was released, and the feature disappeared in subsequent releases.

Of course, that is all moot now.  You can pay a $1.99 premium on a show from the iTunes music store and not have commercials.  Or you can bit torrent it for nothing only a little bit after it airs.  The latter sounds like networks should hate it, but honestly I think it serves as great marketing to sell DVDs.  I don&#039;t know how that necessarily translates for web sites aside from website authors becoming book authors and using their web sites as the initial place to market themselves and get people reading their writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s like a device that automatically skips ads on TV...</i></p>
<p>I actually have a VCR that will do this.  There was coding on the original ReplayTV that would do this as well, which was of a great amount of concern to the networks when it was released, and the feature disappeared in subsequent releases.</p>
<p>Of course, that is all moot now.  You can pay a $1.99 premium on a show from the iTunes music store and not have commercials.  Or you can bit torrent it for nothing only a little bit after it airs.  The latter sounds like networks should hate it, but honestly I think it serves as great marketing to sell DVDs.  I don't know how that necessarily translates for web sites aside from website authors becoming book authors and using their web sites as the initial place to market themselves and get people reading their writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510530</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Keath - I don&#039;t know what you mean by equating Neatorama to Boing Boing, but I quite like that blog and hold it in high respect. So, thanks (I guess)

@RAnnieB - I can see your point from a marketer&#039;s perspective. It&#039;s very cogent and logical, actually.

@Chris Shaffer -  Right now, the percentage of people who use ad block is still small as compared to the rest of the general Internet users.

That percentage would probably not change much in the future - the demise of ad-supported content has been predicted many times in the past, and it&#039;s still the most viable business method today.

What I learned from this discussion is how people who use ad block view their use of the plugin: it&#039;s like they feel it&#039;s their right to block ads. 

This is fundamentally different from how I view things: if I&#039;m not happy with a service (i.e. ad-supported content), then it&#039;s my right not to frequent that establishment (i.e. not visit the website), but it&#039;s not my right to use the service anyway and subvert payment to that service (i.e. visit the website, get the content, then ad block the ads).

As I&#039;ve said above, I certainly have done nothing to stop delivering content to people who block Neatorama&#039;s ads.

I have, however, learned a lot about people&#039;s views on ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Keath - I don't know what you mean by equating Neatorama to Boing Boing, but I quite like that blog and hold it in high respect. So, thanks (I guess)</p>
<p>@RAnnieB - I can see your point from a marketer's perspective. It's very cogent and logical, actually.</p>
<p>@Chris Shaffer -  Right now, the percentage of people who use ad block is still small as compared to the rest of the general Internet users.</p>
<p>That percentage would probably not change much in the future - the demise of ad-supported content has been predicted many times in the past, and it's still the most viable business method today.</p>
<p>What I learned from this discussion is how people who use ad block view their use of the plugin: it's like they feel it's their right to block ads. </p>
<p>This is fundamentally different from how I view things: if I'm not happy with a service (i.e. ad-supported content), then it's my right not to frequent that establishment (i.e. not visit the website), but it's not my right to use the service anyway and subvert payment to that service (i.e. visit the website, get the content, then ad block the ads).</p>
<p>As I've said above, I certainly have done nothing to stop delivering content to people who block Neatorama's ads.</p>
<p>I have, however, learned a lot about people's views on ads.</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510522</link>
		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ads are bad. I&#039;ve only seen a few ads that even remotely interest me, but not enough to click on.

If it&#039;s a pretend game or one of those gawdawful &quot;dress your zwinky&quot; ads, I just shut it out.

What the hell is a zwinky, anyway?

Never mind. I don&#039;t need to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ads are bad. I've only seen a few ads that even remotely interest me, but not enough to click on.</p>
<p>If it's a pretend game or one of those gawdawful "dress your zwinky" ads, I just shut it out.</p>
<p>What the hell is a zwinky, anyway?</p>
<p>Never mind. I don't need to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Shaffer</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510502</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Shaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I block web advertisements.  You can&#039;t stop me, and nothing you say will convince me to stop.  If your business model requires that every viewer watch advertisements, then you need to design your web site to enforce that requirement.  It&#039;s your problem, not mine.  Calling me a thief is just obscuring the fact that your web site is poorly designed and doesn&#039;t do what you want it to do.

Also, end-users do pay for bandwidth, contrary to your statement above.  In fact, many users on the Internet do not have unlimited bandwidth, and pay as they go.  The people who happen to have &quot;unlimited&quot; bandwidth connections are also paying for bandwidth -- it&#039;s not like the &#039;unlimited&#039; part is free.  I pay my ISP for bandwidth, and they provide it to me.  It&#039;s not free to them, and it&#039;s not free to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I block web advertisements.  You can't stop me, and nothing you say will convince me to stop.  If your business model requires that every viewer watch advertisements, then you need to design your web site to enforce that requirement.  It's your problem, not mine.  Calling me a thief is just obscuring the fact that your web site is poorly designed and doesn't do what you want it to do.</p>
<p>Also, end-users do pay for bandwidth, contrary to your statement above.  In fact, many users on the Internet do not have unlimited bandwidth, and pay as they go.  The people who happen to have "unlimited" bandwidth connections are also paying for bandwidth -- it's not like the 'unlimited' part is free.  I pay my ISP for bandwidth, and they provide it to me.  It's not free to them, and it's not free to me.</p>
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		<title>By: lobstah</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510433</link>
		<dc:creator>lobstah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That software is even making links in the comment policy statement.(Website). They seem to change when you refresh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That software is even making links in the comment policy statement.(Website). They seem to change when you refresh.</p>
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		<title>By: RAnnieB</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510405</link>
		<dc:creator>RAnnieB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually as a marketer who purchases online ad space I like ad blocking software. Why ? Because of the reason some of your readers already stated. I know I&#039;m not going to sell anything to an irritated viewer and I prefer not paying for their &#039;&#039;eyeballs&#039;&#039;.

However I can sympathize with bloggers who work hard and have advertising as a major income source. 

However, if you think about it, this business model (with or without ad blockers) is not viable as a long term one. You just can&#039;t force anyone to buy something with even a mildly irritating ad. Technology is now, and will progressively more, allow marketers to know precisely what ads generate what revenue (which was not possible in the past). Companies just won&#039;t pay for ads that don&#039;t generate sales. 

Hence I predict that, in the future, blogs will feature ads that will be more &#039;&#039;interesting&#039;&#039; to viewers and may, in some cases, become part of the content (techno blogs already know this). Blogs will also diversify the way they generate income. 

Aside from selling merchandise I see more and more blogs compiling their top posts and selling them to their readers for a nominal fee. It allows readers to feel like they&#039;re contributing to the longevity of their favourite blogs on a voluntary basis. 

With all the serious brain power out there in blog world it&#039;s only a matter of time before more robust business models come out and readers don’t&#039; need to feel like thieves for behaving rationally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually as a marketer who purchases online ad space I like ad blocking software. Why ? Because of the reason some of your readers already stated. I know I'm not going to sell anything to an irritated viewer and I prefer not paying for their ''eyeballs''.</p>
<p>However I can sympathize with bloggers who work hard and have advertising as a major income source. </p>
<p>However, if you think about it, this business model (with or without ad blockers) is not viable as a long term one. You just can't force anyone to buy something with even a mildly irritating ad. Technology is now, and will progressively more, allow marketers to know precisely what ads generate what revenue (which was not possible in the past). Companies just won't pay for ads that don't generate sales. </p>
<p>Hence I predict that, in the future, blogs will feature ads that will be more ''interesting'' to viewers and may, in some cases, become part of the content (techno blogs already know this). Blogs will also diversify the way they generate income. </p>
<p>Aside from selling merchandise I see more and more blogs compiling their top posts and selling them to their readers for a nominal fee. It allows readers to feel like they're contributing to the longevity of their favourite blogs on a voluntary basis. </p>
<p>With all the serious brain power out there in blog world it's only a matter of time before more robust business models come out and readers don’t' need to feel like thieves for behaving rationally.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510390</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ThomasH: &lt;em&gt;Of course it’s not stealing. By that logic, closing my eyes would be stealing too&lt;/em&gt; and @donna: &lt;em&gt;No. It’s equivalent to not reading the ads in your newspaper.&lt;/em&gt;

I disagree with your analogy - as I&#039;ve said before, I don&#039;t think any webmaster would have any problem if you avert your eyes, ignore the ads, etc. You can go to the bathroom during TV commercial breaks, turn down the volume, change channels. You can ignore ads in your newspaper. No problem.

The problem with ad blocking is that it&#039;s an automated way to circumvent ads from loading. It&#039;s like a device that automatically skips ads on TV, or blanks out ads in a newspaper (okay, no such thing exist for newspaper, but you get the point).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ThomasH: <em>Of course it’s not stealing. By that logic, closing my eyes would be stealing too</em> and @donna: <em>No. It’s equivalent to not reading the ads in your newspaper.</em></p>
<p>I disagree with your analogy - as I've said before, I don't think any webmaster would have any problem if you avert your eyes, ignore the ads, etc. You can go to the bathroom during TV commercial breaks, turn down the volume, change channels. You can ignore ads in your newspaper. No problem.</p>
<p>The problem with ad blocking is that it's an automated way to circumvent ads from loading. It's like a device that automatically skips ads on TV, or blanks out ads in a newspaper (okay, no such thing exist for newspaper, but you get the point).</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510333</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. It&#039;s equivalent to not reading the ads in your newspaper.

Those of us who have worked on computers since the days of Arpanet and the early days of the Internet HATE ads with a passion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. It's equivalent to not reading the ads in your newspaper.</p>
<p>Those of us who have worked on computers since the days of Arpanet and the early days of the Internet HATE ads with a passion.</p>
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		<title>By: csbmonkney</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510253</link>
		<dc:creator>csbmonkney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This issue has been going back and forth for a while now, and it came up on Reddit via this site: whydiggisblocked dot com

My response then:
I love this bit: &quot;As we all know users are becoming more and more banner/ad blind and no one more so than the tech/geek crowd which is the primary audience of Digg.&quot;

So, technically, the digg traffic and web block is irrelevant. It&#039;s the TYPE of user that&#039;s the problem. i.e. higher intelligence than a slug users. People who can simply ignore ads are bad customers. Digg has nothing to do with it, it&#039;s just a nice example to use. Could have been Reddit, or maybe evil Firefox users that have peripheral vision distraction issues and like to use Flashblock and Adblock to help with that.

They should just dumb down the content some if they are concerned about it. Start pushing the stuff grandma will enjoy. Get the less tech savvy crowd to be the audience instead of generating content that people who can block and ignore ads might possibly read.

Isn&#039;t one of the most important rules of writing &quot;Know your audience.&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue has been going back and forth for a while now, and it came up on Reddit via this site: whydiggisblocked dot com</p>
<p>My response then:<br />
I love this bit: "As we all know users are becoming more and more banner/ad blind and no one more so than the tech/geek crowd which is the primary audience of Digg."</p>
<p>So, technically, the digg traffic and web block is irrelevant. It's the TYPE of user that's the problem. i.e. higher intelligence than a slug users. People who can simply ignore ads are bad customers. Digg has nothing to do with it, it's just a nice example to use. Could have been Reddit, or maybe evil Firefox users that have peripheral vision distraction issues and like to use Flashblock and Adblock to help with that.</p>
<p>They should just dumb down the content some if they are concerned about it. Start pushing the stuff grandma will enjoy. Get the less tech savvy crowd to be the audience instead of generating content that people who can block and ignore ads might possibly read.</p>
<p>Isn't one of the most important rules of writing "Know your audience."?</p>
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		<title>By: XuYu</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510144</link>
		<dc:creator>XuYu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because of the ad skips.... It&#039;s theft. Your contract with the network when you get the show is you&#039;re going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn&#039;t get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you&#039;re actually stealing the programming.&quot; -- Jamie Kellner, CEO of Turner Broadcasting System</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Because of the ad skips.... It's theft. Your contract with the network when you get the show is you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing the programming." -- Jamie Kellner, CEO of Turner Broadcasting System</p>
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		<title>By: lobstah</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510121</link>
		<dc:creator>lobstah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After re-reading your posts, a stupid question too :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After re-reading your posts, a stupid question too <img src='http://www.neatorama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: fluff</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510115</link>
		<dc:creator>fluff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an ironic question for this thread:)</description>
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		<title>By: lobstah</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510110</link>
		<dc:creator>lobstah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you using an Ad Blocker ?  I&#039;m not, maybe that has something to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you using an Ad Blocker ?  I'm not, maybe that has something to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Keath</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510097</link>
		<dc:creator>Keath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/#comment-510097</guid>
		<description>Neatorama = Boing Boing now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neatorama = Boing Boing now?</p>
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		<title>By: fluff</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510094</link>
		<dc:creator>fluff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/#comment-510094</guid>
		<description>Strange; I see no false links in the comments...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange; I see no false links in the comments...</p>
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		<title>By: lobstah</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510088</link>
		<dc:creator>lobstah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were two different ones;  The first one was great site, and then it switched to bandwidth. Now they are both gone. I do still see some in other comments though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were two different ones;  The first one was great site, and then it switched to bandwidth. Now they are both gone. I do still see some in other comments though.</p>
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		<title>By: fluff</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-2/#comment-510081</link>
		<dc:creator>fluff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/#comment-510081</guid>
		<description>I didn&#039;t see any link?</description>
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		<title>By: lobstah</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-510076</link>
		<dc:creator>lobstah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/#comment-510076</guid>
		<description>Holy crap, I didn&#039;t put that link in there. I really don&#039;t like ads being forced into my comments! That&#039;s really poor form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap, I didn't put that link in there. I really don't like ads being forced into my comments! That's really poor form.</p>
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		<title>By: fluff</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-510069</link>
		<dc:creator>fluff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^Of course I will also never buy one of those drag racy shirts, but this ad is actually one I&#039;d call non-intrusive.

@Scotchdrnkr
This background noise is actually what bothers me; first of all the world as it is today is noisy enough (in fact much too noisy to be healthy); not necessary to have more  of it. And for the background noise: Where do you think that goes? Yep that&#039;s right; straight into your sub-conscious. Even though you didn&#039;t click that ad and ignored it the message was delivered. You have seen the logo whether you want it or not. And that will affect your behaviour in some tiny way or another (Just don&#039;t you think all those marketing folks along with the specialised psychologists and other scientists trying to find more sophisticated ways to get you to do what the corporate bigwigs want are there for show or fun...). And that is the point I really don&#039;t like (in fact despise). I don&#039;t like people to try to manipulate me into their scheme. Thus I think it&#039;s morally ok to block the most obnoxious ads without remorse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^Of course I will also never buy one of those drag racy shirts, but this ad is actually one I'd call non-intrusive.</p>
<p>@Scotchdrnkr<br />
This background noise is actually what bothers me; first of all the world as it is today is noisy enough (in fact much too noisy to be healthy); not necessary to have more  of it. And for the background noise: Where do you think that goes? Yep that's right; straight into your sub-conscious. Even though you didn't click that ad and ignored it the message was delivered. You have seen the logo whether you want it or not. And that will affect your behaviour in some tiny way or another (Just don't you think all those marketing folks along with the specialised psychologists and other scientists trying to find more sophisticated ways to get you to do what the corporate bigwigs want are there for show or fun...). And that is the point I really don't like (in fact despise). I don't like people to try to manipulate me into their scheme. Thus I think it's morally ok to block the most obnoxious ads without remorse.</p>
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		<title>By: lobstah</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-510062</link>
		<dc:creator>lobstah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind most ads, I consider them a fact of life. Hell, I&#039;ll even click on one if I think it&#039;s something that might interest me.(Sorry Alex, I don&#039;t need any bowling shirts !) The floating ones can be annoying, but it only takes a click to get rid of them. This ContentLink phenomenon fooled me a couple of times though,and I find them to be a little on the sneaky side. I appreciate that you don&#039;t use them in the blog content,( I don&#039;t mind them in comments) but many do, and to me, it distracts from the experience. I understand that bandwidth is expensive, and we all have to do what keeps us going...even if you did start using ContentLink in the blog, I would still keep coming back for the great content, so maybe it doesn&#039;t matter. I just thought I&#039;d give you an opinion from a guy who has seen too many summers to even register as a blip on the marketing radar. Thanks for a great site, and by the way, I found you last year after a mention on Metafilter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't mind most ads, I consider them a fact of life. Hell, I'll even click on one if I think it's something that might interest me.(Sorry Alex, I don't need any bowling shirts !) The floating ones can be annoying, but it only takes a click to get rid of them. This ContentLink phenomenon fooled me a couple of times though,and I find them to be a little on the sneaky side. I appreciate that you don't use them in the blog content,( I don't mind them in comments) but many do, and to me, it distracts from the experience. I understand that bandwidth is expensive, and we all have to do what keeps us going...even if you did start using ContentLink in the blog, I would still keep coming back for the great content, so maybe it doesn't matter. I just thought I'd give you an opinion from a guy who has seen too many summers to even register as a blip on the marketing radar. Thanks for a great site, and by the way, I found you last year after a mention on Metafilter.</p>
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		<title>By: oezicomix</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/11/are-ad-blockers-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-510045</link>
		<dc:creator>oezicomix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with many here: there is a distinction to be made between annoying and decently placed ads. ads on neatorama have never been annoying, so its ok. i do not accept ads that jump in my face and even fool me with falsly placed &quot;close this window&quot; buttons that only lead me to more ads, therefore i block them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with many here: there is a distinction to be made between annoying and decently placed ads. ads on neatorama have never been annoying, so its ok. i do not accept ads that jump in my face and even fool me with falsly placed "close this window" buttons that only lead me to more ads, therefore i block them.</p>
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