Ghostly Voices Tell Woman of Brain Cancer: Miracle or Madness?

This one is a bit long, but really interesting. Cabinet of Wonders blog dug up an article by Danny Penman at the Daily Mail about hearing voices.

Now, normally, hearing voices is a sure symptom of mental illness (like schizophrenia) ... but is it always a bad thing? Here's a story recounted by consultant psychiatrist Dr. Ikechukwu Azuonye:

The story begins in 1984 when a married woman in her 40s was referred to him, apparently suffering from a psychiatric illness. Her ‘symptoms’ appeared when she was at home in London quietly reading a book, and a distinct voice appeared in her head.

‘Please don’t be afraid,’ the voice said in a firm but soothing tone. ‘I know it must be shocking for you to hear me speaking to you like this, but this is the easiest way I could think of. My friend and I used to work at the Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children, and we would like to help you.’

She was understandably shocked and was initially determined to dismiss the voice as a bizarre daydream. But it refused to go away and claimed that she was physically ill and would soon need help. [...]

‘The voices told her to go in and ask to have a brain scan,’ says Dr Azuonye. ‘This was apparently for two reasons. She had a tumour in her brain and her brain stem was inflamed.

Because the voices had told her things in the past that had turned out to be true, she believed them when they said that she had a tumour. I requested a brain scan.’

It turned out the diagnosis made by the voices was correct. Interestingly, says Dr Azuonye, there were no clinical signs that would have alerted anyone — including the patient — to the tumour.

The surgeon suggested an immediate operation to remove the tumour, a decision the voices agreed with. ‘They said they would have preferred the operation to be done at the National Hospital, Queen Square, London, because they specialised in neurological diseases. But because she was already at the Royal Free Hospital, they told her to have the procedure done there because it was urgent,’ Dr Azuonye says.

After the operation, and when the woman had recovered consciousness, the voices returned one last time, to bid her farewell. ‘We are pleased to have helped you,’ they said, before bidding her goodbye. ‘It is a miracle,’ says Dr Azuonye. ‘The patient regards herself as being helped by a guardian angel.’

Was it miracle or madness? Link - More over at Cabinet of Wonders


Now that IS freaky! I always knew the government were out to spy on my thoughts...but now doctors?! Get out of my mind! Unless, I have a horrible debilitating disease that you guys find. :)
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"Now, normally, hearing voices is a sure symptom of mental illness (like schizophrenia) … but is it always a bad thing? "

The answer is YES. You wouldn't ask that if you had ever actually dealt with a paranoid schizophrenic.
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I've had dreams that alerted me to real dangers, both for me and for loved ones. There really is more to the mind than we've been able to discover as yet.
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meh. not really surprising, just another Petwhac.

Petwhac (Population of Events That Would Have Appeared Coincidental). This is defined as all those events that may be considered to be a 'coincidence' if studied casually, but are both possible and statistically probable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unweaving_the_rainbow#Petwhac
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Miracle.

Miracles are far more real and commonplace than skeptics like andrew could comprehend (or would want to, since it proves them wrong.) Petwhac? I think not. How statistically probable was it for this woman to be able to correctly diagnose a condition a doctor would likely have missed?
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well, if the brain was sick - it would be the first to know, right? maybe it was telling her but, for some freaky reason, the message came through in that odd way as if coming from a third party - who knows? these stories are so hard to prove or disprove. but i think that the brain is a great and mysterious wonder. then again, my brain just told me to write that....
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For the amount of people who's brains are telling them they have a tumor, and DON'T have one, this was bound to happen. Mix it in with some bullshit and you have yourself a miracle.
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In a population of millions, where millions of things happen every day, it's to be expected that one-in-a-million events occur at least every now and then. However, I feel that this story has more to do with post-hoc reasoning and explanations than a straight-forward 'miracle'.

The very fact a person has voices in their head is a symptom enough of a neurological anomaly that needs to be investigated. Do we have figures on how many people seek medical attention on the advice of phantom voices, dreams or mysterious experiences every year, without the advice bearing fruit? I'd venture to say it's a significant number. When one happens to coincide with an actual medical case, people are quick to point it out as a miracle without considering the multiple 'non-events' which led nowhere.

Athon
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Either a miracle or a hoax. If was not a hoax, there is always the question of whether it was hyperscientific (beyond the realm of known science but not mystical) or mystical in nature.

The only thing it was definitely not is mental illness. Schizophrenia doesn't go away, and it's certainly not comparable to angels.
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Have people heard of the Hearing Voices Network? HVN's are starting up all over the world. People hear voices for all sorts of reasons, plenty of people that hear voices have no psychiatric diagnosis. Moreover Loren Mosher, M.D., former Chief of the Center for Studies of Schizophrenia, National Institutes of Mental Health setup the Soteria project and was curing so-called schizophrenia without drugs. The American Psychiatric Assocition cut his funding. Just like the HVN, Mosher focused on getting people who'd recovered from SZ to help guide other people through the experience. It worked, 85% success rate.
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Well if I ever hear a voice like that in my head, I'll definitely listen. Usually it's just my little inner self saying 'did you really mean to do that?'; 'did you know that those 2 shades of red don't match?' and such like... maybe I'll start paying more attention! giggle
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Man has sudden urge not to get on plane, stays on the ground, plane crashes = man tells everybody.

Man has sudden urge not to get on plane, stays on the ground, plane lands safely = man doesn't tell anybody.

Same thing, unless the story is entirely made up. Sometimes, people convince themselves that things happen. It's kinda creepy to think there are intelligent beings floating around, peering into our brains. Why don't they speak to the millions of other people who get sick, like children, before it's too late to save them?

This is case of monkeys and typewriters. If she's relly hearing voices, then her delusion simply matched up with her disease.
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I think the likeliest explanation is that she was aware on a subliminal level that something was wrong, and her brain, probably because of some weird misfire due to the tumor, was able to send her a very literal warning message. There's nothing supernatural about that.

I'm reminded of Grant Morrison, the comics writer. He wrote a story about a man who was tortured, and his torturers convinced him face was being eaten away by some weird virus. Not long after, Morrison really got some weird virus that was eating his face away. I think that it's the same thing - on some subliminal message, he knew something was wrong, there was a virus attacking his face. So, that idea bubbled up in his fiction, the same way you can have a nightmare about getting sick a few days before you get the flu. It's not actually a prophetic dream. Your body is letting you know, "Hey, you're coming down with the flu," but you haven't figured it out yet, on the waking level.

The body and mind are fascinating and mysterious enough, without needing to look for supernatural stuff.
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I guess all the skepticism about miracles is to be expected in a world that believes we all evolved from pond slime with no intelligent intervention. With that sort of beginning, heck, anything is possible.
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Oh crap....voices and sounds = brain anomoly?

When I'm sleep...I sometimes hear someone knocking at the door or I hear the doorbell (which I don't have) or someone using a door knocker. I usually get up to go answer the door, peer through the peep hole, only to see no one is there...and no one else in the house has heard anyone knock. It happens when people are here or not. Great....now I need a brain scan.
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I wish I could talk to those "voices"; I'd have all kinds of questions for them. If they were deceased doctors, could I have their names (so I could verify their existence)? And why did they choose this particular woman to help? Was she destined to do something special with her life? Had they known her when they were alive? Why don't other dead doctors go around helping people with mysterious illnesses that might kill them if they're not treated?

And if the voices were just a product of her condition, so what? She got the help she needed. Even if that's not "supernatural", it's still kind of miraculous. Wouldn't you rather know something's wrong in your head -- no matter how the information came to you-- and live, than not find out about it and die?
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Stories like this always make me scared, for some reason. I know a girl who claims to hear voices that tell her all kinds of things, and I keep my distance from her, even though I really do like her, but she says that sometimes the voices say really evil and sick things and she has to ignore them, but it scares her. She is on medicine and under the care of a doctor. This really happens.
My first instinct is to doubt this story. If you read the article, you will read about a woman who was healed at a Penecostal rally in the 80s. She was paralized for many years, then was able to walk instantly. I have seen her on television, but I wonder if it is documented and proven? Does anyone know anything about this?
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I see no reason to disbelieve the story. I know a girl whose mother is psychic. Say what you want, but this woman knows things that she couldn't know otherwise. The day her daughter lost her virginity, she called the boyfriend only moments later, demanding to know what he did to her little girl.

There are phenomenon that can't be explained, only rationalized under the "had to happen to someone" theory. If someone can believe in a magic man in the sky that controls our fate, I can believe in the power of the human mind.
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What the article didn't say was that the woman subsequently received a bill from The Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children for 20,000 Euros for the consulting fee for the two voices. Upon receipt of the bill she had a massive coronary.
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People will jump through almost any hoop to deny a phenomenon that doesn't fit their materialist world view. It's such a sad way to go through life. What makes it worse, to me, is how angry and nasty people get about it. Of all the available religions, materialism and scientism have got to be the most reactionary.
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Well Rob, it would be nice if we could all invent our own realities to suit our desires. If only the universe didn't have these pesky, objective laws which kept getting in the way.
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Can't we just all not care and just enjoy the feel good story that someone might of made up or stretched out for entertainment value. People just want to perceive that good things happen like this and want something to brighten up their day.
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People hear voices and automatically those that hear the story jump to conclusions and over embellish it. We know only a small fraction of how our minds work, but it takes only a short moment of time to snatch the story up and say "Oh, I knew my beliefs were true!"

Yeah... Take a number.
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