Comments on: The Diesel Tree http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/ The Neat Side of the Web Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:24:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joy Gilbertson http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-1234947 Joy Gilbertson Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:55:51 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-1234947 Its time to get seriouse about alternative oils for operating machinery, oil deposites will not last forever, and if we are retain our life style,its time we made a change for the better,I am seriousely considering growing this tree in New Zealand as an additive to the deasil for my own consumption. Its time to get seriouse about alternative oils for operating machinery, oil deposites will not last forever, and if we are retain our life style,its time we made a change for the better,I am seriousely considering growing this tree in New Zealand as an additive to the deasil for my own consumption.

]]> By: DDT http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-501038 DDT Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:00:24 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-501038 Produced biodiesel and ethanol is a joke. It's a 1:1 ratio for the amount of energy it takes to make the product, and the actual amount made. Produced biodiesel and ethanol is a joke. It’s a 1:1 ratio for the amount of energy it takes to make the product, and the actual amount made.

]]> By: Ali S. http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-499096 Ali S. Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:11:34 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-499096 I have a cousin who lives in California and he's been thinking of trying out the idea of used cooking oil in diesel cars (of course with minor changes in the engine). We all need cooking oil to cook food so why not use it to fuel our cars? Love the idea of using alternate fuel sources. I have a cousin who lives in California and he’s been thinking of trying out the idea of used cooking oil in diesel cars (of course with minor changes in the engine). We all need cooking oil to cook food so why not use it to fuel our cars? Love the idea of using alternate fuel sources.

]]> By: Sofar http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498968 Sofar Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:36:32 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498968 @Clyde2003: We already have several states' worth of land dedicated to the growing of corn, farming requires a lot of land. How much land are we currently using to drill for oil? Hypothetically, if we could support ourselves with our own oil how much land in America would we need? How does the environmental impact of drilling for oil and planting trees compare? @Jen: I find it strange that most of the people who launch themselves into fake coughing fits and claim that I'm giving them cancer whenever I light a cigarette still fire up the bong every morning at half past nine. @Clyde2003: We already have several states’ worth of land dedicated to the growing of corn, farming requires a lot of land. How much land are we currently using to drill for oil? Hypothetically, if we could support ourselves with our own oil how much land in America would we need? How does the environmental impact of drilling for oil and planting trees compare?

@Jen: I find it strange that most of the people who launch themselves into fake coughing fits and claim that I’m giving them cancer whenever I light a cigarette still fire up the bong every morning at half past nine.

]]> By: Tom http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498913 Tom Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:19:11 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498913 Well, That would be great if it could be implemented in such a way that it preserves the natural diversity of the rainforests, but I don't see that happening. It would likely be better to use algae for biodiesel production, as it can be farmed on otherwise unusable land, and requires nothing but stagnant water and sunlight. Well, That would be great if it could be implemented in such a way that it preserves the natural diversity of the rainforests, but I don’t see that happening. It would likely be better to use algae for biodiesel production, as it can be farmed on otherwise unusable land, and requires nothing but stagnant water and sunlight.

]]> By: Pol x http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498790 Pol x Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:16:14 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498790 Switch grass in the the american prairies, grows naturally wild could get a couple of harvests every year and makes tip top bio fuel. It's not one thing or another, it's lots of things. there is no magic bullet. Switch grass in the the american prairies, grows naturally wild could get a couple of harvests every year and makes tip top bio fuel.

It’s not one thing or another, it’s lots of things.

there is no magic bullet.

]]> By: sparge http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498773 sparge Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:45:11 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498773 Miss Cellania - Commercially farming this tree will do terrible damage to the rainforests, as they are cleared to make "diesel plantations". Miss Cellania – Commercially farming this tree will do terrible damage to the rainforests, as they are cleared to make “diesel plantations”.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498771 Thomas Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:43:25 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498771 Just sayin'... Just sayin’…

]]> By: Thomas http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498770 Thomas Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:43:01 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498770 I'd sacrifice North Dakota to be rid of Saudi Arabia. I’d sacrifice North Dakota to be rid of Saudi Arabia.

]]> By: Scooter http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498763 Scooter Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:33:15 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498763 our future energy needs don't lie in an single source. What we need is hundreds of sources (i.e. wind, solar, bio-fuels, geo-thermal) if we are to replace our addiction to oil. our future energy needs don’t lie in an single source. What we need is hundreds of sources (i.e. wind, solar, bio-fuels, geo-thermal) if we are to replace our addiction to oil.

]]> By: Miss Cellania http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498712 Miss Cellania Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:30:02 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498712 No, this is no April Fool. But the tree won't grow outside the tropics. Fine for Australia, but undoable for the US. Maybe Mexico? It's another reason we need to protect the rain forests. No, this is no April Fool. But the tree won’t grow outside the tropics. Fine for Australia, but undoable for the US. Maybe Mexico? It’s another reason we need to protect the rain forests.

]]> By: Jen http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498702 Jen Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:22:56 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498702 Take a look at your glass pipe there, buddy. See all that nasty, stanky brown and black gunk? That goes into your lungs. Marijuana is good for you? Give me a break. Take a look at your glass pipe there, buddy. See all that nasty, stanky brown and black gunk? That goes into your lungs. Marijuana is good for you? Give me a break.

]]> By: Clyde2003 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498678 Clyde2003 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:41:58 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498678 So I just ran the math. If the United States wanted to replace ALL of its crude oil with this "tree diesel," they would have to plant an area slightly larger than the state of NORTH DAKOTA! That's more than 69,000 square miles! Just a little fact everyone should know... So I just ran the math. If the United States wanted to replace ALL of its crude oil with this “tree diesel,” they would have to plant an area slightly larger than the state of NORTH DAKOTA! That’s more than 69,000 square miles! Just a little fact everyone should know…

]]> By: sparge http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498633 sparge Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:49:02 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498633 QC - The original ABC story was posted March 25: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/25/2198815.htm But anyway -- this might be doable for sustenance farmers with excess land, but at 30-40 liters annually per tree, there won't be enough production to compete with petroleum diesel. As a (very) rough guess, that's only about twice as much <i>syrup</i> (not sap) that is produced from a maple tree annually, and a gallon of that stuff will cost you $50 easily. A better option would be a higher-yield source of biodiesel, such as sugarcane or switchgrass, even with the extra processing that they must go through. Or even better, reduce our energy consumption. QC – The original ABC story was posted March 25:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/25/2198815.htm

But anyway — this might be doable for sustenance farmers with excess land, but at 30-40 liters annually per tree, there won’t be enough production to compete with petroleum diesel. As a (very) rough guess, that’s only about twice as much syrup (not sap) that is produced from a maple tree annually, and a gallon of that stuff will cost you $50 easily.

A better option would be a higher-yield source of biodiesel, such as sugarcane or switchgrass, even with the extra processing that they must go through. Or even better, reduce our energy consumption.

]]> By: luke http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498531 luke Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:35:56 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498531 Is this real? Is this real?

]]> By: Pol x http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498492 Pol x Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:20:39 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498492 The whole brouhaha surrounding biofuels confuses me. Both the proa and anti parties are saying that you shouldn't make a choice between food and fuel. Seems to be missing the point. It's not making fuel out of corn or sugar cane, but making fuel out of the by product, the stalks and husks etc. So it's fuel without the loss of food. And Diesel DESIGNED his engine to run on veg oil, ground nut oil initially. The whole brouhaha surrounding biofuels confuses me.

Both the proa and anti parties are saying that you shouldn’t make a choice between food and fuel.

Seems to be missing the point.

It’s not making fuel out of corn or sugar cane, but making fuel out of the by product, the stalks and husks etc.

So it’s fuel without the loss of food.

And Diesel DESIGNED his engine to run on veg oil, ground nut oil initially.

]]> By: K!P http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498201 K!P Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:01:24 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498201 diesel engines will run on almost annything. anny old diesel will run fine on sunflower oil for example. (if the weater is to cold you need to heat it so it stays thin) In fact: Rudolf Diesel ran his prototype diesel engine on coal dust. yep. dust. diesel engines will run on almost annything. anny old diesel will run fine on sunflower oil for example. (if the weater is to cold you need to heat it so it stays thin) In fact: Rudolf Diesel ran his prototype diesel engine on coal dust. yep. dust.

]]> By: QC http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498167 QC Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:03:36 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498167 Oh good one! Had me going there for about a sentence or two. Great April Fool's prank, guys! Oh good one! Had me going there for about a sentence or two. Great April Fool’s prank, guys!

]]> By: Zeon http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498126 Zeon Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:53:06 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498126 Cool one man... Lets see wha the government does with that. Cool one man… Lets see wha the government does with that.

]]> By: su.wei http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498066 su.wei Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:14:43 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498066 i think diesel prices went up because they had to add something to reduce the sulfur emissions...i could be wrong though i think diesel prices went up because they had to add something to reduce the sulfur emissions…i could be wrong though

]]> By: Sofar http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498051 Sofar Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:49:32 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498051 So all you need to create diesel is water, dirt, and time, same as our food. How does it compare to the amount of biodiesel you can squeeze out of a field of corn? What's the environmental impact of planting these trees? So all you need to create diesel is water, dirt, and time, same as our food. How does it compare to the amount of biodiesel you can squeeze out of a field of corn? What’s the environmental impact of planting these trees?

]]> By: Manticore http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498043 Manticore Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:38:38 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498043 bulldoze subdivisions and start farming these. lol. bulldoze subdivisions and start farming these. lol.

]]> By: Moore http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498041 Moore Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:36:06 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498041 That's nothing, there's a wonderful weed which has been used as medicine for thousands of years but it's illegal for most humans to use because it's good for them and helps them to keep the corporate/government wool from being pulled over their eyes. Big pharm hates it because they would rather sell you addictive crap with side effects than having you grow your own weed at home. What is this weed? Cannabis. Those who outlaw nature should be jailed, not those who enjoy using nature for their health and recreation. Why is marijuana schedule I again? No medical benefits to it you say? Blow me. That’s nothing, there’s a wonderful weed which has been used as medicine for thousands of years but it’s illegal for most humans to use because it’s good for them and helps them to keep the corporate/government wool from being pulled over their eyes. Big pharm hates it because they would rather sell you addictive crap with side effects than having you grow your own weed at home. What is this weed? Cannabis.

Those who outlaw nature should be jailed, not those who enjoy using nature for their health and recreation. Why is marijuana schedule I again? No medical benefits to it you say? Blow me.

]]> By: gibson8or http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-498016 gibson8or Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:02:42 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-498016 Are you sure this isn't part of an April Fool's Day prank? Like the BBC spaghetti farmers? Are you sure this isn’t part of an April Fool’s Day prank? Like the BBC spaghetti farmers?

]]> By: Thomas http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-497961 Thomas Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:11:15 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-497961 Screw the diesel, where can I buy the plants? Screw the diesel, where can I buy the plants?

]]> By: CheeseDuck http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-497920 CheeseDuck Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:56:11 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-497920 What!? Then why are diesel prices so darn high? What!? Then why are diesel prices so darn high?

]]> By: Sargasso http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-497894 Sargasso Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:14:52 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-497894 That tree was made in the image of the FSM. That tree was made in the image of the FSM.

]]> By: Miss Cellania http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-497850 Miss Cellania Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:17:50 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/02/the-diesel-tree/#comment-497850 Great minds think alike... I got going to post the same story, with the exact same image! Great minds think alike… I got going to post the same story, with the exact same image!

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