Comments on: King Kirby's comic conspiracy

By: Kenn Thomas

Kenn Thomas — Mon, 12 May 2008 20:23:25 +0000

Hoagland was not the first to bring this up! He read about it in my magazine, Steamshovel Press, when I reproduced the first page of the Kirby story.

Kirby was remarkably prescient about a number of things, esepcially in a comic strip he did called Sky Masters, at about the same time as the Face story. That's what my talk was about at RetroCon. It was recorded and is available now from Steamshovel.

By: Emperor

Emperor — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:24:43 +0000

The thing that really disappoints me about the whole ancient astronaut angle is that it fails to give our ancestors any credit for their amazing achievements.

By: MAD

MAD — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:25:01 +0000

Don't get me wrong, Kirby was amazing. Hoagland didn't "rebut" the Kirby face on Mars until a week or two after this story was originally released (like 2 years ago now), and then said that Kirby was connected to "high level intelligence agencies", and that's why the Face on Mars first appeared in a comic book. Sorry to leave two comments in the same post, but while Hoagland is an intelligent guy, aside from his knowledge of some of the inner workings of NASA and astronomical issues, I find all of his work on 'Mars Monuments' to be bunk. Which is the main thing he always talks about. Makes you wonder why he, like so many researchers, constantly push this "ancient astronaut gods" angle? Just seems elitist to me, while pretending to be opposed to the establishment...

By: Emperor

Emperor — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:49:49 +0000

I did say "more level-headed"

I'm pretty sure he doesn't think 911 was some elaborate inside job, for example, and has written a number of articles critical of the wilder fringes of conspiracism.

It is one of the reasons I'm intrigued to see this is the subject of his talk, which makes me wonder if:

a) He has some new killer piece of evidence - I am doubtful as I love Kirby and wacky conspiracy theories so I'm sure I'd have heard something.

b) He is playing it for laughs - which seems a lot of effort.

c) Or he is looking at it from the other direction - not that Kirby was given some kind of weird inside information but that Kirby's work and others have been a big influence on Hoagland's claims.

I'm hoping for c) as the influence of sci-fi on shaping the UFO phenomena is a topic I'm interested in and it could provide some interesting insights (and it seems more in line with Kenn Thomas' take on things). After all even people I know who think the Face on Mars may have some mileage still (more recent images actually make a better case - even if I'm still not convinced), think Hoagland is a little... out there (and not the "out there" where Mulder thinks "The Truth" lies, either).

So I will be keeping an eye on developments with interest.

By: Alex

Alex — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:18:54 +0000

Is there such a thing as a "level headed" conspiracy theorist? And Jack Kirby was amazing. RIP. (Neat find, Emperor!)

By: MAD

MAD — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:31:10 +0000

Hoagland is an intelligent... doofus.

Half of the "evidence" he proposes for monuments on Mars look like something he made in the sandbox in his backyard with a bucket and a shovel.

Hoagland is the sly controlled opposition type who "demands an end to NASA secrecy!" as long as it involves announcing pyramids on Mars and alien bases on the moon. The guy never shuts up, and half of the things out of his mouth are lies meant to confuse human history for the benefit of his Elitist masters...

That "face" on Mars has been debunked so many times it's not even funny, and anyway, human beings are programmed to see faces all over the place. I see faces everywhere, curtains, clouds, patterns on the floor, etc, etc. Hoagland has based his whole career basically on a 1976 image that has been proven as nothing more then a mountain more then once.

If we can even trust these NASA photographs in the first place...