Comments on: Writers Who Suffered From the Sylvia Plath Effect

By: Kim

Kim — Mon, 10 May 2010 05:00:30 +0000

I forgot to add this – Randall, you are an insufferable idiot if your comments are not tongue in cheek.

By: Kim

Kim — Mon, 10 May 2010 04:58:16 +0000

Tamara – Sorry, I know this is morbid, but Plath did, in fact, put her head literally into the oven. She sealed the kitchen with towels and tape after leaving bread and milk for her children (and opening the window in their bedroom). She folded a kitchen towel, placed on the opened oven door and laid her head on it. We know this because of the testimony of those who found her (there was an inquest, which Ted Hughes attended, wherein her death was ruled a suicide). It was her doctor’s belief that the anti depressants he had prescribed for her ironically contributed to her suicide,as the type of drug (mono oxidase inhibitor) can make a person more active but still feeling depressed, at the beginning of the treatment. What’s striking for me personally, is that writers like Plath can write when depressed, that they are able to produce work. Anyone who has ever been depressed knows how difficult this must be. Plath wrote despite being depressed, not necessarily because of her depression.

By: kadpm

kadpm — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:38:56 +0000

This article is very interesting.
I aspire to be the best writer I can be in the future, since I’m only in grade 8, and a girl too I don’t know what’s ahead of me. Whether real or not, this theory states that I myself can be susceptible to suicide. We must all realize that whatever happens, we must hold on to dear life.I know there are obstacles ahead of me, and I will surely go through tough times. And if I would feel like a bell jar descends upon me, I will never let it stop me from striving on.

Hahaha! Sorry got a bit carried away

By: little gator

little gator — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:36:01 +0000

randall-if you think that you have no clue how painful and crippling real depression is.

I’m on drugs for depression. With them I’m not in emotional agony all the time, only about half the time. I’m not looking for happiness, just releif form constant pain.

By: Topheavy

Topheavy — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:44:26 +0000

Solidarity often produces original thought at the cost of the undefinable disconnection with others. I personally had to make a decision as of how far I was willing to go for my writing, and it is true that I feel like a slave to it, more than the other way round.

Consider too that these creative types are self-admitted pioneers of the human experience by way of documentation. Adventuring into that dark cave can make anyone despondent over a long period, especially obsessive types, and those already predisposed to social conditions and depression. I don’t believe it to be self-fulfilling prophesy for the most part however.

By: Randall

Randall — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:48:55 +0000

Wimps

Do you think life is just one big fun time joyride of love and dessert? Really? Happiness is the exception of existence, not the norm. Most of life is struggle, frustration, anger and depression. Hard work, anxiety, failure, getting knocked down and climbing back up, that is normal.

The good times, the happy events, the blessed miricles that occur, make it all worthwhile, but they are not going to happen every day, all day, and all night too.

Ninety Nine percent of you self diagnosed Bi-polar sufferers could be cured with a good swift kick in the pants.

Now get off my lawn.

By: Bobby the K

Bobby the K — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:55:26 +0000

What i have found after years of intense inner work is that the causes of these states go very deep, perhaps even being past life issues, if that’s your belief.

It has taken years of meditation, yoga, fitness, proper diet etc. to get to the point where i know the episodes, though damaging and draining, are not the end of the world.

And i can even at times have the ability to get
‘on top’ of a current emotional or psychological experience, transform the energy and heal the condition with awareness.

As far as medication goes, by far the best for me is to fry some cannabis in butter till very dark and consume
it. yes, that’s right. i eat some of the mary jane and find a relieving, helpful and healing state of being.

By: Passa Caglia

Passa Caglia — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:18:46 +0000

In the universe of all poets and writers it seems like there is an enormous number of poets and writers who have not had mental disorders and who have not committed suicide.

By: Dil-emma

Dil-emma — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:15:29 +0000

Hi there! I’ve found this particularly fascinating, so much so that I’d like to do a school project on the tragic suicides of famous authors. I was wondering if anyone could provide a list of some well-known authors who’ve commited suicide, preferably ones in the older literary periods. I would really appreciate it! I come, hat in hand, to benefit from anyone’s wisdom. Thank you.

By: Elsie

Elsie — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:47:18 +0000

The comment here that has most intrigued me is that which notes Virginia Woolfe’s Adam’s apple – given that there is no foolproof test for bipolar disorder in conjunction with the fact that untreated thyroid disorders present with similar emotional symptoms, it seems possible that she had a goiter!

By: rkm123

rkm123 — Tue, 05 May 2009 01:58:49 +0000

I believe I was bi-polar since I was young. I don’t remember a time when I wasn’t depressed or manic. I was just diagnosed 3 weeks ago, and at 59 I may begin to quit having suicidal ideations. I write books and poetry. I am an INSF, and fit the profile to a tea. I’ve been made fun of all my life because of who I am. I’ll see if the Limectal (sp?) helps. I don’t want to kill myself, but the downward spiral is so scary that I wonder if one day I will just keep going down. Kinda scary to read about this, but I am who I am, and I accept myself, even if no one else does. I suppose I’m so far gone that the Lamictal won’t really put a dent in my creativity, but hopefully the dark won’t be quite so dark.

By: prolan5

prolan5 — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:31:30 +0000

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By: secretary for Eva-Marchelline

secretary for Eva-Marchelline — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:28:29 +0000

a correction to the above comment

Dr. Eva-Marchelline D’Zcholie
M.D.

By: Eva-Marchelline

Eva-Marchelline — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:26:58 +0000

there is mental illness, and there is also attention. There have been accounts that writers who spend lengthy amounts of time alone begin to think that instead of writing such long books for a small amount of recognition, they could commit suicide, and go out with a big bang that will have there names seen everywhere, and with only five minutes effort involved. Suicide is a choice, normal death isn’t. Feel sorry for those people.

Eva-Marchelline D’Zcholie

By: cat

cat — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:56:09 +0000

i agree with kat…i consider myself a painter and i am bipolar…but i am far more productive when i am depressed.

it makes medication very difficult, because my mood is so much better, but then i am not creating anything and i absolutely love being so swept away in a painting fit!

By: Andie

Andie — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:39:29 +0000

@G– You’re absolutely right. The public tends to notice unnatural or a bad death when it happens to famous people. You could probably put together a convincing argument about all the joe nobodies in boring, meaningless jobs committing suicide because they don’t have the creative abilities to express themselves.

Whether or not one needs to be nigh suicidal to be a creative genius, I don’t know, but it’s not a requirement to be good at your craft.

By: Claire

Claire — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:54:17 +0000

Is it actually a higher percentage of the population, or is it just the effect of a spotlight? Also, can I be considered a poet even though I haven’t published anything? so that if I did away with myself (see that technical jargon) would I be considered on the poet/writer suicide side? or the joe-blow suicide side?

By: JOI

JOI — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:19:41 +0000

Hey, and don’t forget Elmira Birkson.
Who?
See, you forgot her already.

By: G

Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:43:54 +0000

Here’s the thing, you can characterize anyone as having a mental illness. This type of “mystery” can be attributed to anyone with talent coupled with fame. Like the “27 club” of musicians. The reason we are all shocked is because we think someone who is beautiful, successful, or extremely gifted would have the ticket to happiness. Yet we are all susceptible to our own demons we have to fight. There is nothing to say women writers are likely to commit suicide than people tend to pair depression with women authors who’ve committed suicide. Depression is a crazy hall of mirrors where nothing seems to feel right, look right, or even seem right no matter what the public or loved ones tell you.

By: Tamara

Tamara — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:37:55 +0000

Sylvia Plath DID NOT stick her head inside an oven. She lcoked herself in a kitchen with a gas stove turned on. Huge difference.

By: dietaether

dietaether — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:35:49 +0000

This is only half related, but half is a pretty good start. The Myer-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) lists the personality type INFP as one of the smallest of the general population with a disproportionate representation of great writers. (http://www.personalitypage.com/INFP_car.html goes so far as to state “It’s worth mentioning that nearly all of the truly great writers in the world have been INFPs.”)
Similarly, an informal poll (http://www.mcmanweb.com/article235.htm) found that the introverted and idealist personality types (INF)are most likely to report being diagnosed with depression. I personally believe that both are linked to personality type, being a oft-depressed INFP writer-type i fit the mold fairly well.

By: Melissa

Melissa — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:51:54 +0000

I think it’s that creative people are often not likely to get the help that would keep them from suicide. First of all, people around them often fail to notice the signs of illness because creative people channel the dark things into art rather than shutting down, and mania goes unnoticed, masking itself as periods of intense creative output. And the regular eccentricity that makes them brilliant can hide the signs of things that are really serious. It’s simply harder to tell where the artsy weird ends and the disturbed begins.

Secondly, even if the condition comes to light, creative people are less likely to be willing to submit to drugs or therapy that might change the way their mind thinks. They fear in tinkering with the mind to stop the insanity, they’ll lose the genius,too. A plain normal mind is not a good option for creative people. They’d rather deal with the bad than risk losing the good. Sadly, sometimes they fail at coping with the bad and lose everything.

By: requiredname

requiredname — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:50:38 +0000

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By: faburobin

faburobin — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:12:04 +0000

Kay Redfield Jamison wrote a book about the link between creativity and madness called “Touched by Fire”. It’s a very well-written and engrossing book that helped me make sense of my daughter’s and my diagnoses of bipolar disorder. Her book “Night Falls Fast: Understanding Suicide” is also a great book, despite the subject matter.

I also have found that I write better poetry when I’m depressed. (not that it’d ever reach the level of the ladies profiled!)

By: Herminius

Herminius — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:01:50 +0000

You can add to that list two more female writers from Argentina: Alfonsina Storni and Alejandra Pizarnik.

Alfonsina Storni walked into the sea ( like Virginia Woolf), Alejandra Pizarnik overdosed on Seconal.

By: hark

hark — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:35:00 +0000

i once read that suicides tend to be of above-average intelligence, which makes sense. asking lots of questions about the world is a pretty good recipe for depression. what i call the tyranny of aesthetics: the greater your ability to discern fineness of experience, the more things will disappoint you. ignorance may well be bliss.

By: aleph

aleph — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:33:56 +0000

Don’t forget Anna Kavan, who I suspect might have stronly influenced Plath. I’m really surprised the two aren’t often mentioned together.

By: Cathy

Cathy — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:36:47 +0000

Thank GOD better meds are available today than when ANY of these people were alive (yes, including the one who died in 1999!) Just imagine, if Virginia Woolf had access to Seroquel and Lamictal…

By: bean

bean — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:29:18 +0000

Donna-
That is indeed a very nice quote about manic-depression, but not all of those writers were diagnosed as bipolar, or expressed the proper diagnostic criteria. Without resurrecting them and having a long conversation, its hard for us to say whether they had bipolar I, bipolar II, major depression, schizophrenia or any number of personality disorders…

By: donna

donna — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:09:32 +0000

The misunderstandings here about mental illness are sad.

From NIHM:

About 5.7 million American adults or about 2.6 percent of the population age 18 and older in any given year,1 have bipolar disorder. Bipolar disorder typically develops in late adolescence or early adulthood. However, some people have their first symptoms during childhood, and some develop them late in life. It is often not recognized as an illness, and people may suffer for years before it is properly diagnosed and treated. Like diabetes or heart disease, bipolar disorder is a long-term illness that must be carefully managed throughout a person’s life.

“Manic-depression distorts moods and thoughts, incites dreadful behaviors, destroys the basis of rational thought, and too often erodes the desire and will to live. It is an illness that is biological in its origins, yet one that feels psychological in the experience of it; an illness that is unique in conferring advantage and pleasure, yet one that brings in its wake almost unendurable suffering and, not infrequently, suicide.”

“I am fortunate that I have not died from my illness, fortunate in having received the best medical care available, and fortunate in having the friends, colleagues, and family that I do.”

Kay Redfield Jamison, Ph.D., An Unquiet Mind, 1995, p. 6.

By: Christophe

Christophe — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:09:22 +0000

What do I know, I’m an MS Excel guy.

By: L

Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:57:51 +0000

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Does being a writer make you more prone to mental illness? Or does mental illness make you more prone to write?

By: Amber Waves

Amber Waves — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:48:31 +0000

Firstly, I laughed so hard reading your last line, “…but I am a little bit relieved to know I have no talent for poetry whatsoever.”
Secondly, I am a woman and a writer, and I have been writing poetry since elementary school. As a teenager I did have a very dark view of the world. Everything with despair, darkness and gloom. But I was more entranced with the theme, seeing as I have always been a huge science fiction fan and dark scifi like Blade Runner and Battlestar Galactica are in my opinion, the best stuff out there. I am not however, and never have been depressed. A bit annoyed at times, always ready to smack someone for setting me off, but never thinking how much better the world would be without me. I mean, look at all the cool things there are to enjoy. If nothing else, heck, Season 4 of Battlestar Galactica starts april 4th. If that’s not a good reason to live, I don’t know what is.

By: Peggy-O

Peggy-O — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:09:58 +0000

It’s easier to go through life not drifting into the deeper end of the pool…poetry is often the outward expression for these intrepid “deep sea divers” of philosophy. Tis a heavy burden to bear: knowing, feeling seeing all the foibles, follies, imperfections, beauties and cruelties of man. Too heavy for some? I don’t think poetry makes one suicidal, but those that are constantly involved in such heavy matter…eventually can be crushed by them.

By: emptyminded

emptyminded — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:07:16 +0000

I believe that some people are born with an overly active inner monologue. The constant rumination of ideas, concepts, and (especially) the ‘what ifs’ results in an urge to seek a release of the inner thoughts through literary expression. God knows my inner monologue only shuts up when I write, even when what I write is crap (which others tell me isn’t crap but I definitely perceive it as crap which leads me to believe that being overly critical of yourself is another trait of the same condition).

Look at J.D. Salinger, Kurt Vonegut, Steven King, et al; none of them are right in the head. I suspect that suicidal behavior is more pronounced in women writers and poets in that since, historically there were more barriers to getting published, those who were published were really, really good (ergo closer to the wings of madness).

By: Icup

Icup — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:52:49 +0000

Poor Virginia Woolf had an Adams Apple!

/just sayin

By: Jess

Jess — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:52:48 +0000

I’ve read a few studies that argued that there was a link between creativity and psychotisism.

By: Philip Chapman-Bell

Philip Chapman-Bell — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:46:31 +0000

Please don't say, "published." Gad. Instead, read Cottage Street, 1953.

By: kat

kat — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:43:34 +0000

as a side note to the first comment, i personally disagree with writer’s block and depression being the same. i find that my poetry thrives more when i feel depressed.

By: kat

kat — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:41:04 +0000

i’m a published poet as well as someone who suffers from severe depression and here is my take on the issue:

i think when someone suffers from a mental illness, finding a way to express the internal/eternal battle tends to verge towards the more artistic side of life. so rather than being a poet who becomes depressed and kills themself, it is rather someone who is depressed and also writes poetry, loses the battle and kills themself.

By: VonSkippy

VonSkippy — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:36:27 +0000

If only more professional poets would follow the trend.

By: bean

bean — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:33:21 +0000

Magicmike-
I tend to agree with you. People with eccentric or escapist personalities are more likely to feel like outcasts, more likely to be creative, and more likely to become depressed. It’s a vicious cycle. There have been males with similar lives, most notable painters like Van Gogh, and novelists like Hemingway.

I’m not sure I understand brightening our day by posting about suicidal people, but that book club could be the Dead Poets Society, after this.

By: Magicmike

Magicmike — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:57:57 +0000

I wonder if this is a case of causes masquerading as effects… The word “susceptible” worries me – Post hoc ergo non propter hoc and all that. It seems at least worth investigating whether or not mentally unstable people select the profession, rather than the other way around.

Even though there are (proportionally) very few mentally unstable people, it would not require many of them to take up the pen for the effect to be noticeable.

By: strells

strells — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:57:32 +0000

Don’t forget Iris Chang, who committed suicide in 2004… leaving behind a note about how the CIA and government out to get her.

By: alanocu

alanocu — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:45:47 +0000

great comment #1 from Anonymous – stay out of the broom closet; you are much more useful out here with your good insight

By: CheeseDuck

CheeseDuck — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:41:57 +0000

Sooo… Female writers are emo?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:07:29 +0000

I’m a writer myself, and female to boot, so this question’s been dogging me, too. I used to think, before I really wrote much for public consumption, that writers were suicidal because they had to remain socially aloof, that they couldn’t participate in life and observe it at the same time, and this would, naturally, make them sad, at least, if not hopelessly lonely.

Now I think that writers’ block and depression are the same thing, that they have the same consequences and causes. I think that writing comes from the same fog-bog of the near sub-conscious as one’s self-perception, that they are fished from the same place, that inspiration becomes everything that’s good, and negative feedback becomes everything that’s bad. They’re tied together the minute you become a writer, like the Argentinean dollar was connected to the American. What drags one, drags the other.

I would say that nothing but an unbreakable ego will stave this off, but it didn’t work with Hemingway, did it?

Future commenters: Go ahead, tear this comment to pieces. I’ll just go cry in a broom closet or something.