But, he demands you provide infallible, incontrovertible proof to support the traditional point of view, accepted by the majority of scientists and rational thinkers.

I advise you to give up, aj. Crackpot theorists don’t want to be convinced they’re wrong.

Duesberg has controversial ideas, that doesn’t mean he ceases to be a good scientist…

Those articles don’t provide any concrete evidence that HIV becomes AIDS – they say HIV may cause AIDS, not HIV causes AIDS.

And yes, I don’t trust the prevailing body of literature because I think that there is definitely something else going on -like how hasn’t Magic Johnson contracted AIDS yet? It’s been almost 20 years since he said he was HIV positive…

The idea that no evidence has been found linking HIV to AIDS is laughable, here are a couple of early papers that about the discovery of the link:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6189183?dopt=Abstract
and
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6200936?dopt=Abstract
If you can’t accept the prevailing body of literature about a subject, or provide sufficient evidence to the contrary you may as well not believe anything.

There’s plenty of opposition arguments from other scientists – there always has been (this is not the only case). Not too long ago Ritalin was the cure for ADD in children, smoking helped your digestion, and marijuana made you insane.

Dr. Duesberg is a reputable scientist, with an impressive resume ranging from discovering the oncogene, a strand of DNA that causes cancer, to gaining tenure as a professor of biology at UC Berkeley.

He hasn’t been able to conduct experiments because his funding was cut once he came forward with his HIV/AIDS theory – this is the use of command science I spoke of earlier.

But whatever his theory might be about how people contract AIDS, there is still no evidence that suggests HIV causes AIDS – hence this discovery by Dr. Barr will have little impact on the spread of AIDS.

HIV and AIDS are two separate and distinguishable diseases – there are 0 cases where it has been proven that HIV develops into AIDS – and there are cases through 1989 from the CDC (Center for Disease Control and Prevention) that prove people have contracted AIDS without contracting HIV. After 1989 – no cases – why? Because a reputable scientist, Duesberg, came forth with his “crackpot” theory.

I stopped conversing with Jerse in one other thread, since he was consistently completing ignoring each point I made, making insults, and trying to twist my words into hatefulness. I’m not here to argue with trolls, so I gave up.

As for Dr Duesberg, this thread is not about his crackpot conspiracy theories nor is it about Intelligent Design, which seems based on the same sort of “science”.

AIDS is a so-called syndrome resulting from the presence of the Human Immunodeficiency Virus and at least one other “AIDS defining illness”. An AIDS defining illness, such as Kaposi’s sarcoma, is an illness that can be found outside of an HIV infection, but would not be considered AIDS without the presence of HIV. AIDS, by its very definition, requires the presence of HIV.

GlaxoSmithKline holds a virtual monopoly in manufacturing antiretroviral drugs used for treating HIV. You might think that it’s conspiracy fodder, but when a corporation has a substantial investment in a market of that caliber – is it really that far fetched to think that they’ll suppress dissenting opinions that would end their operations if that opinion were proven correct?

As for ted and the insult, it’s not irrelevant. I’ve already clashed with him(her?) before on some issues and I think he still might be bitter about it.

Stalker – a follower or tabkeeper of another person

And as for you joo, I do enjoy debating – how about my first first argument? Got anything on that?

your first argument about glaxosmithkline is just blatantly unsubstantiated speculation and typical conspiracy theory fodder

and then your comment to ted is an arbitrary correction of a colloquialism when everyone who read it knew what he meant (you included), complete with an irrelevant insult attached.

stop. posting. ignorance.

Really think about it…

And ted, you can’t listen to writing – so stop being a stalker.

I, for one, am very excited about Dr. Barr’s work.

Command science – the pressuring of scientists to conform to certain ideals in fear of being rejected by the scientific community through peer-reviewed journals.

Before you reject this idea, read some of Peter Duesberg’s articles.