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		<title>By: prolan5</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-705030</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: prolan3</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-705001</link>
		<dc:creator>prolan3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: prolan1</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-704971</link>
		<dc:creator>prolan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Flitter</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-462589</link>
		<dc:creator>Flitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying Hubbard got Scientology from the Germans, of that era, makes as much sense as saying that the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were built in Tokyo.</description>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-461966</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing ever changes. Even if you prove a cults foundation is completely bogus, they are so well establish that it won&#039;t change them. Kinda like debating Theology with someone who rejects that Bible. To them, you might as well use a TV guide. Again, even if you prove them wrong, they are too deep in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing ever changes. Even if you prove a cults foundation is completely bogus, they are so well establish that it won&#8217;t change them. Kinda like debating Theology with someone who rejects that Bible. To them, you might as well use a TV guide. Again, even if you prove them wrong, they are too deep in.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-461441</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THEY&#039;RE ALL AROUND US!!!!  

(scientologists that is... not those brain-sucking aliens &gt;.&gt;)</description>
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<p>(scientologists that is&#8230; not those brain-sucking aliens &gt;.&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: Lo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always, ALWAYS Tim. Were you never loved enough as a child, Tim?</description>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-461396</link>
		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol.

We&#039;ve known Tim is a scientologist for a while - he always blames everything on psychiatry, as any good follower should.

The &quot;Yellow Jackets&quot; are Scientologists&#039; answer to any sort of disaster. They swoop in to &quot;help out&quot;, in order to get some exposure as doing good deeds. 9/11 was a big photo op for Scientology.

How about www.xenu.net - Operation Clambake - for another take on the history of Scientology, and some &quot;interesting information&quot;?

As for this, I think it&#039;s a fake - some jokester&#039;s weak attempt to discredit an unoriginal hack writer by saying he borrowed most of his material, and maybe imply Nazi connections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve known Tim is a scientologist for a while &#8211; he always blames everything on psychiatry, as any good follower should.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Yellow Jackets&#8221; are Scientologists&#8217; answer to any sort of disaster. They swoop in to &#8220;help out&#8221;, in order to get some exposure as doing good deeds. 9/11 was a big photo op for Scientology.</p>
<p>How about <a href="http://www.xenu.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.xenu.net</a> &#8211; Operation Clambake &#8211; for another take on the history of Scientology, and some &#8220;interesting information&#8221;?</p>
<p>As for this, I think it&#8217;s a fake &#8211; some jokester&#8217;s weak attempt to discredit an unoriginal hack writer by saying he borrowed most of his material, and maybe imply Nazi connections.</p>
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		<title>By: Lemons</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-461284</link>
		<dc:creator>Lemons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[this comment removed due to a copyright claim by the Chruch of Scientology]</description>
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		<title>By: oakling</title>
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		<dc:creator>oakling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone who COULD read it in German could have influenced Hubbard, though; don&#039;t know about the content itself. That was a pretty turbulent time in Germany; wouldn&#039;t it be nice for all of us anti-Scientologists if we could link them to facism or Nazism? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone who COULD read it in German could have influenced Hubbard, though; don&#8217;t know about the content itself. That was a pretty turbulent time in Germany; wouldn&#8217;t it be nice for all of us anti-Scientologists if we could link them to facism or Nazism? <img src='http://www.neatorama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CheeseDuck</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-461123</link>
		<dc:creator>CheeseDuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefull no Scientologists are going to sue the asses off of anyone here.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-461087</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a New Yorker. &quot;Yellow Jackets?&quot;  [scratches head]

While I understand that Scientologists are the &quot;only ones&quot; who can help, per Tom Cruise, many thousands of non-believers tried to anyway that day.

Oh, and the term &quot;9/11&quot; is a registered trademark of the Giuliani presidential campaign. Use of said term for political gain by outside parties could result in legal action.

Just sayin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a New Yorker. &#8220;Yellow Jackets?&#8221;  [scratches head]</p>
<p>While I understand that Scientologists are the &#8220;only ones&#8221; who can help, per Tom Cruise, many thousands of non-believers tried to anyway that day.</p>
<p>Oh, and the term &#8220;9/11&#8243; is a registered trademark of the Giuliani presidential campaign. Use of said term for political gain by outside parties could result in legal action.</p>
<p>Just sayin.</p>
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		<title>By: radleyas</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-461019</link>
		<dc:creator>radleyas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dan, one good act doesn&#039;t wipe out all the garbage that the Scientology is responsible for.  Nice try.  You and Tim should get a room ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dan, one good act doesn&#8217;t wipe out all the garbage that the Scientology is responsible for.  Nice try.  You and Tim should get a room &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christophe</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460921</link>
		<dc:creator>Christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I (tried to) read the wiki summary for this book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientologie,_Wissenschaft_von_der_Beschaffenheit_und_der_Tauglichkeit_des_Wissens .

All I could think of was : When do we eat? [aka boooring]

Some people really don&#039;t have problems to pay their mortgage. Too much time to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I (tried to) read the wiki summary for this book <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientologie,_Wissenschaft_von_der_Beschaffenheit_und_der_Tauglichkeit_des_Wissens" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientologie,_Wissenschaft_von_der_Bescha ffenheit_und_der_Tauglichkeit_des_Wissens</a> .</p>
<p>All I could think of was : When do we eat? [aka boooring]</p>
<p>Some people really don&#8217;t have problems to pay their mortgage. Too much time to think.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460918</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He comes back on April 1st, obviously.  :)</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460917</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good lord guys - you&#039;ve got a group of guys that jump in and help at the drop of a hat (ask any New Yorker about 9/11 and the &quot;Yellow Jackets&quot;) and you&#039;ve got guys that attack someone because they help.

And you side with which?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord guys &#8211; you&#8217;ve got a group of guys that jump in and help at the drop of a hat (ask any New Yorker about 9/11 and the &#8220;Yellow Jackets&#8221;) and you&#8217;ve got guys that attack someone because they help.</p>
<p>And you side with which?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Diem</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460869</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Diem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only one true religion.

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
http://www.venganza.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

C&#039;mon Tim, before it&#039;s too late, convert to Pastafarianism. It&#039;ll make you look quite a bit more normal to sane people.

I can sense the wrath wreaking already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one true religion.</p>
<p>The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster<br />
<a href="http://www.venganza.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.venganza.org</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster</a></p>
<p>C&#8217;mon Tim, before it&#8217;s too late, convert to Pastafarianism. It&#8217;ll make you look quite a bit more normal to sane people.</p>
<p>I can sense the wrath wreaking already.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460855</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering if L. Ron Hubbard&#039;s reincarnation (whenever he shows up) will finally let everyone know that scientology was just an April Fools Joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering if L. Ron Hubbard&#8217;s reincarnation (whenever he shows up) will finally let everyone know that scientology was just an April Fools Joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Scooter</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460833</link>
		<dc:creator>Scooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only problem with the story is that the scans are crooked, shoddy craftsmanship there scanner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only problem with the story is that the scans are crooked, shoddy craftsmanship there scanner.</p>
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		<title>By: FetishForPerception</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460781</link>
		<dc:creator>FetishForPerception</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, was wondering how long it would take for a comment defending Scientology to pop up. That was quick, even by their standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, was wondering how long it would take for a comment defending Scientology to pop up. That was quick, even by their standards.</p>
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		<title>By: radleyas</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460767</link>
		<dc:creator>radleyas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Tim, how long have you been a Scientologist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Tim, how long have you been a Scientologist?</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460708</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cake is a lie, Tim.</description>
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		<title>By: Mr. Silly</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460627</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Silly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is is very very very unlikely that this book had any influence on Scientology.

This is the original forum that this recently came up on:

http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=4829

Significant facts:
1) There is no reason to believe that Hubbard had a level of fluency in German in 1934 that he could have come close to reading a complex technical text on epistemology in that language.  Besides that Hubbard was a lazy S.O.B., unlikely to put much intellectual effort into the study, and reading this would have been a quite daunting intellectual task.

2) The McPheeters translation was done with an agenda (by an ex-Scientologist), and apparently was intentionally mistranslated to make it appear that it contained Scientology terms and ideas that were never in the original.  A subsequent more literal and accurate translation was done - in it the apparent parallels were not found.

There&#039;s more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientologie,_Wissenschaft_von_der_Beschaffenheit_und_der_Tauglichkeit_des_Wissens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is is very very very unlikely that this book had any influence on Scientology.</p>
<p>This is the original forum that this recently came up on:</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&#038;t=4829" rel="nofollow">http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&#038;t=4829</a></p>
<p>Significant facts:<br />
1) There is no reason to believe that Hubbard had a level of fluency in German in 1934 that he could have come close to reading a complex technical text on epistemology in that language.  Besides that Hubbard was a lazy S.O.B., unlikely to put much intellectual effort into the study, and reading this would have been a quite daunting intellectual task.</p>
<p>2) The McPheeters translation was done with an agenda (by an ex-Scientologist), and apparently was intentionally mistranslated to make it appear that it contained Scientology terms and ideas that were never in the original.  A subsequent more literal and accurate translation was done &#8211; in it the apparent parallels were not found.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more here:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientologie,_Wissenschaft_von_der_Beschaffenheit_und_der_Tauglichkeit_des_Wissens" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientologie,_Wissenschaft_von_der_Bescha ffenheit_und_der_Tauglichkeit_des_Wissens</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460622</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Tim, have you heard the Good News?  Xenu is coming back, and all of his loyal followers will be treated to rides in space planes that look just like DC9&#039;s, only with different engines.

No dumping everyone in volcanoes for some reason this time, promise!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Tim, have you heard the Good News?  Xenu is coming back, and all of his loyal followers will be treated to rides in space planes that look just like DC9&#8242;s, only with different engines.</p>
<p>No dumping everyone in volcanoes for some reason this time, promise!</p>
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		<title>By: heinzkunz</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460600</link>
		<dc:creator>heinzkunz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, do you have any arguments? Just saying &quot;no, it wasn&#039;t&quot; is not going to convince anybody.

My impression is that Hubbard didn&#039;t come up with scientology all by himself. It is rather obvious that this and similar works predate his interpretation of scientology. I mean, just look at the title of the book.

If you want to show me otherwise, please come up with some arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, do you have any arguments? Just saying &#8220;no, it wasn&#8217;t&#8221; is not going to convince anybody.</p>
<p>My impression is that Hubbard didn&#8217;t come up with scientology all by himself. It is rather obvious that this and similar works predate his interpretation of scientology. I mean, just look at the title of the book.</p>
<p>If you want to show me otherwise, please come up with some arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/27/the-original-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-460567</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was not the inspiration for Scientology, and if you care to look up enturbulation as defined in Scientoogy texts, you&#039;ll understand the goal of the web site ( enturbulation.org) that posted the material.

For real info on Scientology you can go here:  www.scientology.org  There are some good links as to the true development of the religion and other interesting information at the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was not the inspiration for Scientology, and if you care to look up enturbulation as defined in Scientoogy texts, you&#8217;ll understand the goal of the web site ( enturbulation.org) that posted the material.</p>
<p>For real info on Scientology you can go here:  <a href="http://www.scientology.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientology.org</a>  There are some good links as to the true development of the religion and other interesting information at the site.</p>
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