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	<title>Comments on: The Genovese Syndrome: When Nobody Helps</title>
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		<title>By: FallenKnight</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/13/the-genovese-syndrome-when-nobody-helps/#comment-450208</link>
		<dc:creator>FallenKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll bet if Kitty Genovese had a gun and knew how to use it things would have turned out quite differently. Oh, that's right, New York prefers their victims, I mean citizens, to be unarmed. 
And you know what, people? It IS your business!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll bet if Kitty Genovese had a gun and knew how to use it things would have turned out quite differently. Oh, that&#8217;s right, New York prefers their victims, I mean citizens, to be unarmed.<br />
And you know what, people? It IS your business!</p>
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		<title>By: Ford MF</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/13/the-genovese-syndrome-when-nobody-helps/#comment-448124</link>
		<dc:creator>Ford MF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most studies of Kitty Genovese are based on the original book, "38 Witnesses", based on the original newspaper coverage, and, like this article, are factually inaccurate or disingenuously misleading.  The attack took place over a great span of time, in more than one location, and no one neighbor witnessed it in its entirety (indeed, exactly zero of the neighbors witnessed the final attack).  Few if any of them understood the seriousness of what they heard.  Despite all this, the newsmedia early on made up its mind what "the story" was, and stuck to it, and it's persisted in popular culture ever since then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most studies of Kitty Genovese are based on the original book, &#8220;38 Witnesses&#8221;, based on the original newspaper coverage, and, like this article, are factually inaccurate or disingenuously misleading.  The attack took place over a great span of time, in more than one location, and no one neighbor witnessed it in its entirety (indeed, exactly zero of the neighbors witnessed the final attack).  Few if any of them understood the seriousness of what they heard.  Despite all this, the newsmedia early on made up its mind what &#8220;the story&#8221; was, and stuck to it, and it&#8217;s persisted in popular culture ever since then.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Ronald</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/13/the-genovese-syndrome-when-nobody-helps/#comment-446064</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil Ochs wrote a song about this:
http://www.ocap.ca/songs/smalcirc.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil Ochs wrote a song about this:<br />
<a href="http://www.ocap.ca/songs/smalcirc.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ocap.ca/songs/smalcirc.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: the lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>the lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>insted of screaming for help i would have shoved my thums into this guys eyes and skulle fu** him lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>insted of screaming for help i would have shoved my thums into this guys eyes and skulle fu** him lol</p>
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		<title>By: Vako</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good link and article. Having been the receiver of 3 physical assaults, no one came to my defense, and I know damn well that people saw what was happening. I did not yell or scream because I am mostly nonverbal, but these days I have learned how to fight and I am very capable of defending myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good link and article. Having been the receiver of 3 physical assaults, no one came to my defense, and I know damn well that people saw what was happening. I did not yell or scream because I am mostly nonverbal, but these days I have learned how to fight and I am very capable of defending myself.</p>
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		<title>By: jacqui</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, i did this case in my psych class too. its pretty shocking to think 38 people just stood by, and made up pitiful reasons for why not to help. though times were also different back then. now you have the crazy people calling up to report a red stain in the concrete to check if its blood. times are a changin'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, i did this case in my psych class too. its pretty shocking to think 38 people just stood by, and made up pitiful reasons for why not to help. though times were also different back then. now you have the crazy people calling up to report a red stain in the concrete to check if its blood. times are a changin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This happens with more than just crimes. A man had a massive heart attack in front of a business counter. As I and one other person attended to him and performed CPR, people STEPPED over his feet to get to the counter!

Luckily the man is going to be ok, but the public's reaction shook me more than I can say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This happens with more than just crimes. A man had a massive heart attack in front of a business counter. As I and one other person attended to him and performed CPR, people STEPPED over his feet to get to the counter!</p>
<p>Luckily the man is going to be ok, but the public&#8217;s reaction shook me more than I can say.</p>
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		<title>By: Benny Lava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benny Lava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was once punched in the face by a street person after I wouldn't hand over my money to him, and a couple of guys who were at the end of the block just as it happened came running to my assistance, grabbed the guy, and restrained him until we could flag down a police car. That was right in the middle of San Francisco, so I don't think it's fair to say that big cities are the problem, Bean. There are people who will risk their own safety or convenience to help others, and people who won't. Whether or not one of the former kind is around when you're in need is really just a matter of luck. 

I do agree with Meg's point that people get used to hearing a lot of noises in cities, and that it's often hard to tell what's serious and what's not. However, even when faced with a situation that's as obvious as I think mine was, I doubt very much that anyone standing there at the end of the block would have reacted the same way those 2 guys did. One split second to contemplate that the person who punched me might also have been carrying a weapon would have dissuaded most people, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was once punched in the face by a street person after I wouldn&#8217;t hand over my money to him, and a couple of guys who were at the end of the block just as it happened came running to my assistance, grabbed the guy, and restrained him until we could flag down a police car. That was right in the middle of San Francisco, so I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to say that big cities are the problem, Bean. There are people who will risk their own safety or convenience to help others, and people who won&#8217;t. Whether or not one of the former kind is around when you&#8217;re in need is really just a matter of luck. </p>
<p>I do agree with Meg&#8217;s point that people get used to hearing a lot of noises in cities, and that it&#8217;s often hard to tell what&#8217;s serious and what&#8217;s not. However, even when faced with a situation that&#8217;s as obvious as I think mine was, I doubt very much that anyone standing there at the end of the block would have reacted the same way those 2 guys did. One split second to contemplate that the person who punched me might also have been carrying a weapon would have dissuaded most people, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ VonSkippy

I have to agree that people nowadays are a lot more fearful in doing the right thing than in the past.  I remember when I used to live in London, England I found a wallet on a double decker bus under the seat ahead of me when I accidentally kicked it.  I delivered it to the police station and afterwards I got called back saying that I was a suspect!  The owner said I stole all the cash but thankfully due to the high usage of security cameras in England (well known to be the city with the most CCTVs per person) it was proven all I did was pick it up and drop it off at the police booth.  They then cited the guy who falsely accused me with a $300 (don't remember how much that is in British Pounds) fine for false accusation and misuse of police time.

As the old adage goes,"No good deed goes unpunished."

Regarding the article:

However, in the case of Kitty Genovese that is just horrendous.  If someone were attacked I'd surely help in whatever capacity I could.  Would I put myself in harms way?  Maybe if I knew I could take down the attacker but if not I'd also be a bit hesitant.  When the attacker had left someone should have had the balls to go out and grab that poor woman and brought her inside and wait for the police to arrive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ VonSkippy</p>
<p>I have to agree that people nowadays are a lot more fearful in doing the right thing than in the past.  I remember when I used to live in London, England I found a wallet on a double decker bus under the seat ahead of me when I accidentally kicked it.  I delivered it to the police station and afterwards I got called back saying that I was a suspect!  The owner said I stole all the cash but thankfully due to the high usage of security cameras in England (well known to be the city with the most CCTVs per person) it was proven all I did was pick it up and drop it off at the police booth.  They then cited the guy who falsely accused me with a $300 (don&#8217;t remember how much that is in British Pounds) fine for false accusation and misuse of police time.</p>
<p>As the old adage goes,&#8221;No good deed goes unpunished.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding the article:</p>
<p>However, in the case of Kitty Genovese that is just horrendous.  If someone were attacked I&#8217;d surely help in whatever capacity I could.  Would I put myself in harms way?  Maybe if I knew I could take down the attacker but if not I&#8217;d also be a bit hesitant.  When the attacker had left someone should have had the balls to go out and grab that poor woman and brought her inside and wait for the police to arrive.</p>
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		<title>By: VonSkippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>VonSkippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The apathy is fueled by the complete lack of ROI.

In the good old days, helping out made you a hero.  Now it just opens you up for all types of hassles.

With "everybody's a crook" cops, and lawyers ready to sue for anything and everything - you run a huge personal risk helping out strangers.

Isn't the land of the free great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The apathy is fueled by the complete lack of ROI.</p>
<p>In the good old days, helping out made you a hero.  Now it just opens you up for all types of hassles.</p>
<p>With &#8220;everybody&#8217;s a crook&#8221; cops, and lawyers ready to sue for anything and everything - you run a huge personal risk helping out strangers.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the land of the free great!</p>
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		<title>By: Christophe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a huge [outside the] bar brawl at 2:30 am the other day with more thean 15 people fighting. I called the police.

Then I called them, 20mn later, to tell them not to bother, everybody was leaving... 
I don't think they bothered much anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a huge [outside the] bar brawl at 2:30 am the other day with more thean 15 people fighting. I called the police.</p>
<p>Then I called them, 20mn later, to tell them not to bother, everybody was leaving&#8230;<br />
I don&#8217;t think they bothered much anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Deviate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Deviate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats a crazy story... what else can you say. I am pretty sure i would call the police... But then again, If i was tired....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats a crazy story&#8230; what else can you say. I am pretty sure i would call the police&#8230; But then again, If i was tired&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meg,
You started out by disagreeing that it's about people trained to ignore each other, and ended your first paragraph by stating that it's about people trained to ignore each other.

G-
Bestiality, you say? Where were *you* living?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meg,<br />
You started out by disagreeing that it&#8217;s about people trained to ignore each other, and ended your first paragraph by stating that it&#8217;s about people trained to ignore each other.</p>
<p>G-<br />
Bestiality, you say? Where were *you* living?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is interested what a monster looks like, visit this website. 

http://tigrepelvar2.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/may1006.jpg

I'd gladly share a room with Pixar's Sully, Howie Mandel's "Maurice" or even Frankenstein himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is interested what a monster looks like, visit this website. </p>
<p><a href="http://tigrepelvar2.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/may1006.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://tigrepelvar2.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/may1006.jpg</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d gladly share a room with Pixar&#8217;s Sully, Howie Mandel&#8217;s &#8220;Maurice&#8221; or even Frankenstein himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also learned about this in Psych classes, but scarily had no idea that it took place in Hollis, NY, where I used to live. To Bean, who thinks that it's about New Yorkers who ignore each other, it's not. Hollis is actually quite the little neighborhood, and in my experience the people are mostly friendly and helpful, like strangers offering to help me lift things when I was moving in. In NY, you grow up with a lot of noise outside your window, including random screaming that doesn't mean attack. A big issue is not knowing what you're hearing or looking at. The arguments that people DID try to help Genovese are heartening, but it's still such a scary, sad thing, and worth spreading as parable. I felt safer living there than I do now in northern Virginian suburbs. Like Celeste said, the neighbors here (well, I assume she's here) would much rather ignore each other, and then complain about the noise. 

I'm guilty of wondering if I should intervene when the couple next door screams about double suicide, and ultimately deciding it's not my business, but if I knew that one of them were being physically assaulted, I'd call the cops and try to get up the nerve to go over there myself. I've called the cops about suspect noises before, but never without a lot of deliberation. People underestimate how much they can help, or if it's really all that serious.

The bystander effect is real, even if it was overstated in this case. We all hope someone stronger and more capable will come to the rescue so that we don't have to. Unfortunately, sometimes no one steps up and we all  could benefit from learning how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also learned about this in Psych classes, but scarily had no idea that it took place in Hollis, NY, where I used to live. To Bean, who thinks that it&#8217;s about New Yorkers who ignore each other, it&#8217;s not. Hollis is actually quite the little neighborhood, and in my experience the people are mostly friendly and helpful, like strangers offering to help me lift things when I was moving in. In NY, you grow up with a lot of noise outside your window, including random screaming that doesn&#8217;t mean attack. A big issue is not knowing what you&#8217;re hearing or looking at. The arguments that people DID try to help Genovese are heartening, but it&#8217;s still such a scary, sad thing, and worth spreading as parable. I felt safer living there than I do now in northern Virginian suburbs. Like Celeste said, the neighbors here (well, I assume she&#8217;s here) would much rather ignore each other, and then complain about the noise. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m guilty of wondering if I should intervene when the couple next door screams about double suicide, and ultimately deciding it&#8217;s not my business, but if I knew that one of them were being physically assaulted, I&#8217;d call the cops and try to get up the nerve to go over there myself. I&#8217;ve called the cops about suspect noises before, but never without a lot of deliberation. People underestimate how much they can help, or if it&#8217;s really all that serious.</p>
<p>The bystander effect is real, even if it was overstated in this case. We all hope someone stronger and more capable will come to the rescue so that we don&#8217;t have to. Unfortunately, sometimes no one steps up and we all  could benefit from learning how.</p>
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		<title>By: biltmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>biltmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never stand by gawking at someone when they're in dire need of help. I know it's a stupid thing to do, and people get killed that way ... but damnit, I just can't idly stand by when someone needs help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never stand by gawking at someone when they&#8217;re in dire need of help. I know it&#8217;s a stupid thing to do, and people get killed that way &#8230; but damnit, I just can&#8217;t idly stand by when someone needs help.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people don't listen to "get away, I don't know you" because they think "well I don't know him either. Oh well."

I'd help you. I can't stand to watch people get hurt with no help at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people don&#8217;t listen to &#8220;get away, I don&#8217;t know you&#8221; because they think &#8220;well I don&#8217;t know him either. Oh well.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d help you. I can&#8217;t stand to watch people get hurt with no help at all.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apathy is a virus. I lived in one of those "good ol' boy" areas for a short period of time. It claimed to be country but it was the most apathetic place I have ever witnessed. Pregnant women get attacked in places of business, children get spit on by strangers, and bestiality is common. Like some horror show.

I spent one week moving in and the rest of my time high tailing it out of there. It was a complete black hole. You'd think smaller communities would band together. They did, because every time I tried to do something "good" or "productive" about it they went through great lengths to either shut me up or threaten my family even AND they weren't part of the crimes! Unbelievable! I guess they lived by fear and abusive coercion.

I quickly moved to a snooty community with those crazy home owner's associations and it was just as cold. But at least it wasn't as "children of the corn" as the other place they just ignore you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apathy is a virus. I lived in one of those &#8220;good ol&#8217; boy&#8221; areas for a short period of time. It claimed to be country but it was the most apathetic place I have ever witnessed. Pregnant women get attacked in places of business, children get spit on by strangers, and bestiality is common. Like some horror show.</p>
<p>I spent one week moving in and the rest of my time high tailing it out of there. It was a complete black hole. You&#8217;d think smaller communities would band together. They did, because every time I tried to do something &#8220;good&#8221; or &#8220;productive&#8221; about it they went through great lengths to either shut me up or threaten my family even AND they weren&#8217;t part of the crimes! Unbelievable! I guess they lived by fear and abusive coercion.</p>
<p>I quickly moved to a snooty community with those crazy home owner&#8217;s associations and it was just as cold. But at least it wasn&#8217;t as &#8220;children of the corn&#8221; as the other place they just ignore you.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/13/the-genovese-syndrome-when-nobody-helps/#comment-444393</link>
		<dc:creator>Celeste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that untrue bean.  I live in a much smaller area (and much less populated) in Virginia, and I was under attack once, screaming for help, specifically stating that I was being attacked and needed police, and no one came to my aid.  Oh yeah and this was in my apartment, where I know the neighbors could hear me because they complained to management the next day that I was loud and screaming (ah duh).  This problem is so widespread these days, I believe, that it does not just apply to big cities (or New York as you say).  Everyone is so engrossed with themselves that they have lost all ability for compassion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that untrue bean.  I live in a much smaller area (and much less populated) in Virginia, and I was under attack once, screaming for help, specifically stating that I was being attacked and needed police, and no one came to my aid.  Oh yeah and this was in my apartment, where I know the neighbors could hear me because they complained to management the next day that I was loud and screaming (ah duh).  This problem is so widespread these days, I believe, that it does not just apply to big cities (or New York as you say).  Everyone is so engrossed with themselves that they have lost all ability for compassion.</p>
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		<title>By: bean</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/13/the-genovese-syndrome-when-nobody-helps/#comment-444357</link>
		<dc:creator>bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've always heard this referred to as the Tragedy of the Commons. And personally, I see it more as a cautionary tale about living around a bunch of New Yorkers than anything else. The assailant would not have gotten away with that in a place where people aren't encouraged to ignore each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always heard this referred to as the Tragedy of the Commons. And personally, I see it more as a cautionary tale about living around a bunch of New Yorkers than anything else. The assailant would not have gotten away with that in a place where people aren&#8217;t encouraged to ignore each other.</p>
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		<title>By: shecky</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/13/the-genovese-syndrome-when-nobody-helps/#comment-444297</link>
		<dc:creator>shecky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last three links are interesting in that they add some facts and context for what was something of a culturally defining moment in the US. As usual, the whole story is more nuanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last three links are interesting in that they add some facts and context for what was something of a culturally defining moment in the US. As usual, the whole story is more nuanced.</p>
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		<title>By: alice</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/13/the-genovese-syndrome-when-nobody-helps/#comment-444282</link>
		<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I studied this in my psychology classes.
We were taught it wasn't called a "syndrome" that the whole thing was called Bystander Behaviour.
Also, a reason why noone helped you stillpissedoff, is because people are far less likely to get in the middle of an argument between two people who are together (or seen to be together) as it's thought of as a domestic dispute. 

If you shout (and this is for anyone in a similar situation to the one above this comment) "get away from me, I DONT KNOW YOU" people have been proven to be more likely to help.

I'm really sorry that happened to you stillpissedoff, people do suck. But if we try and change our own behaviour and not just walk by maybe it'll rub off on others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I studied this in my psychology classes.<br />
We were taught it wasn&#8217;t called a &#8220;syndrome&#8221; that the whole thing was called Bystander Behaviour.<br />
Also, a reason why noone helped you stillpissedoff, is because people are far less likely to get in the middle of an argument between two people who are together (or seen to be together) as it&#8217;s thought of as a domestic dispute. </p>
<p>If you shout (and this is for anyone in a similar situation to the one above this comment) &#8220;get away from me, I DONT KNOW YOU&#8221; people have been proven to be more likely to help.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really sorry that happened to you stillpissedoff, people do suck. But if we try and change our own behaviour and not just walk by maybe it&#8217;ll rub off on others.</p>
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		<title>By: still pissed off</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/13/the-genovese-syndrome-when-nobody-helps/#comment-444244</link>
		<dc:creator>still pissed off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ex attacked me in the street in front of my house.  I tried to drive away, he hung off my car and yanked the door open and hit me, I stopped just before hitting a parked car.  I called 911 and he grabbed and broke my cellphone before the call went through.  He was yelling at me, I was screaming for help and trying to get away.  Two guys on bicycles passed, looked, did nothing.  A woman walking her dog walked by.  My own neighbors did nothing.  The police I'd been waiting for, as an escort into my house to get things after he'd attacked me the previous day, showed up a half-hour late just as I was getting up someone's driveway to try to reach the front door.

People suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ex attacked me in the street in front of my house.  I tried to drive away, he hung off my car and yanked the door open and hit me, I stopped just before hitting a parked car.  I called 911 and he grabbed and broke my cellphone before the call went through.  He was yelling at me, I was screaming for help and trying to get away.  Two guys on bicycles passed, looked, did nothing.  A woman walking her dog walked by.  My own neighbors did nothing.  The police I&#8217;d been waiting for, as an escort into my house to get things after he&#8217;d attacked me the previous day, showed up a half-hour late just as I was getting up someone&#8217;s driveway to try to reach the front door.</p>
<p>People suck.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/13/the-genovese-syndrome-when-nobody-helps/#comment-444142</link>
		<dc:creator>Celeste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the beginning of my favortie movie, The Boondock Saints, a priest was delivering a sermon telling this exact story.  It actually forms the basis for this movie, saying that what is evil is the indifference of good men.  Powerful subject, terrifying story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the beginning of my favortie movie, The Boondock Saints, a priest was delivering a sermon telling this exact story.  It actually forms the basis for this movie, saying that what is evil is the indifference of good men.  Powerful subject, terrifying story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although there may be discrepancies in the kitty genovese event, diffusion of responsibility still happens, has been observed to happen, and most situations probably involve a lot more than one would imagine. I personally like to see this one occasion as an extreme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although there may be discrepancies in the kitty genovese event, diffusion of responsibility still happens, has been observed to happen, and most situations probably involve a lot more than one would imagine. I personally like to see this one occasion as an extreme.</p>
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