Comments on: In Russia, Revenge Gets You Glory

By: Jesús

Jesús — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:42:43 +0000

God is the only one who can give peace in a drama like this. Revenge is the way people act when they don´t believe in Him. But making harm and hurting others won´t give you peace. Revenge don´t give you peace, just God. Jesus died in a terrible way and he taught us how to act.

By: somethingsomething

somethingsomething — Mon, 19 May 2008 05:47:59 +0000

I would do the same thing.

By: Vincent O. Moh

Vincent O. Moh — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:32:09 +0000

Peter Nielsen was not at fault for the crash; Skyguide's malpractices crippled his ability to control the airspace and that is why the planes crash. The courts ruled that Skyguide administration is responsible.

"Why was the air traffic controller not already in jail himself for criminal negligence? The Russian man may have killed a man. But how many did the victim kill by not properly doing his job?"

He WAS doing his job properly. Skyguide crippled him in this way:
* Often one controller manned two workstations several feet apart. Why did Skyguide let this happen?
* Maintenance men knocked out the phone system and disabled the visual collision alert warning system

So when Nielsen realized he was swamped as he had to help an Aero Lloyd land, he could not contact outside help (phone is dead). When he realized that BTC2937 and DHL611 were nearing each other, he asked BTC to descend when its TCAS told it to climb. As systems were down DHL611 could not tell Nielsen that it was also descending. Nielsen did not and could not know what the TCAS said for BTC2937.

By: Orjans Morjan

Orjans Morjan — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:06:37 +0000

I bet the ATC was sitting at home laughing and joking about all the people he had killed... not!

Proper sentence for ATC = life sentence tops.
Proper sentence for Russian guy = life in prison.

One was a "mistake", one was a deliberate murder.

Nor should the Russian guy get sentenced to death, that's murder too. There's a reason countries with death sentences aren't allowed to enter the EU.

By: Video Game Dork

Video Game Dork — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:01:58 +0000

the title of this article reminded me of a Yakov Smirnoff joke.

By: Lo

Lo — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:15:17 +0000

Two planes crashed into each other. That had to cause far more deaths than just those of his wife and children. Why was the air traffic controller not already in jail himself for criminal negligence? The Russian man may have killed a man. But how many did the victim kill by not properly doing his job?

By: L

Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:09:00 +0000

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." -Gandhi What is all of this revenge accomplishing, except creating more "need" for revenge with each death? Thank goodness not everybody thinks like this guy. We'd all be dead. If his dead family is looking down on him, I'm sure they're very proud. Sheesh.

By: Capella

Capella — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:42:39 +0000

That's awful.
Two familes destroyed.

By: the statist

the statist — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:53:19 +0000

I can't believe he wasn't given the death penalty. He should have either been killed by nature (life in prison) or by man (lethal injection). no murderer should ever be given his freedom. Especially after only 5 years. Sheesh!

By: Miroslav

Miroslav — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:27:59 +0000

Kirkburn, I also did not speak, that revenge it is good. It is assured if your family have killed, you would be silent, sat and not that did. In fact revenge on yours it is bad! And it also did not revenge, it was able to affect. At us different mentalities, Russian so are brought up that except for itself(himself) nobody can to help them, to the state to spit, and other countries use it. A negligence here that the most terrible! Instead of revenge …

By: Kirkburn

Kirkburn — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:01:52 +0000

Miroslav, no knowledge at all is required to realise that revenge killings are completely idiotic, unjustifiable and wicked.

By: Miroslav

Miroslav — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:37:59 +0000

Kaloyev all has made correctly who is stronger that and has survived. If so someone was necessary from above, the air traffic controller could kill Kaloyev. Also will suffice to discuss, you there is nothing do not know about Russia, you there is nothing do not know about Kaloyev?!

By: Willo the Wisp

Willo the Wisp — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:54:45 +0000

So, Mr Kaloyev, you went to Switzerland and killed a father-of-three and guess what, it still didn't bring your wife and kids back. You killed him for the sake of "the memory" of your children, you say? So would you object to the children of the man you murdered tracking you down and murdering you for the sake of the memory of their father?

By: avraamov

avraamov — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:42:42 +0000

if this carried. on in the way it started, russia and switzerland would be de-populated pretty swiftly. i wouldn't mess with the swiss. they have to have guns by law and they're ALL in the army...

i bet killing that guy won't make his loss disappear in the long run anyway

By: Tim Giachetti

Tim Giachetti — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:34:46 +0000

I'm with Jerse on this one. I'm so old fashioned, his direct family, and a few close relatives would have bought it too.

By: Lasse

Lasse — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:56:55 +0000

So, according to that, now the kids of the murdered air traffic controller can come and kill some other family members of Kaloyev, right? Deeply humanistic, man-to-man world my ass.

By: aerio

aerio — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:42:15 +0000

This isn't much different in spirit from what I was seeing from some North American Fathers after that bizarre family rape case a couple months back.

By: Miroslav

Miroslav — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:36:01 +0000

We in Russia have a saying - « do not judge and not judges awake ». You were not on its place and I hope never will appear in such situation. It moved despair. Vitaly Kaloyev’s long was not married, and here, at last, when at it has appeared, the wife and two remarkable children, all has failed because of a human negligence! It did not wish whom to kill, but it has lost to dear 3 it people. And you judge it here and argue.
No, at us it not the hero, its hero journalists of mass-media have nicknamed! For us it the person at whom happens to mountain! Here to it concern all on ???????????! Its All family supports it! And many hope, that it will find the happiness again!

By: Miroslav

Miroslav — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:35:06 +0000

By: bob

bob — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:07:16 +0000

I have to wonder how much of the response is influenced by nationalism. I think if it had been a Russian man stabbing a Russian air traffic controller, tried in Russian courts, the response would be less in his favor. I cann't read the article, and it's foolish to make assumptions with this little information, but the tone of the extract suggests that some sort of narrative has been created out of the incident.

By: meghan

meghan — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:26:16 +0000

Interesting that he keeps repeating that he's avenging his children...nothin' about the wife. M

By: kevin

kevin — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:26:46 +0000

Knock knock, its irony at the door. I hope he can handle what he's preaching.

By: cz

cz — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:23:16 +0000

oh, russians. ochen smashnoy.

By: Geekazoid

Geekazoid — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:57:45 +0000

Indeed this is heroism? Pretty sick if you ask me.

By: FetishForPerception

FetishForPerception — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:19:33 +0000

Wow, it seems people have really warped ideas of heroism.

By: Jerse

Jerse — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:24:02 +0000

If it were really an act of revenge - wouldn't he have killed the wife and two kids instead?

An eye for an eye - not an eye for a nose, right?