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	<title>Comments on: Guy&#8217;s Neat Performance with a Woman&#8217;s Voice</title>
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		<title>By: turtlebutt</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-329323</link>
		<dc:creator>turtlebutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anybody else think the eye contact was a little wierd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anybody else think the eye contact was a little wierd.</p>
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		<title>By: Tempscire</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-329118</link>
		<dc:creator>Tempscire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. He&#039;s a got voice meant for a Disney princess. I initially thought the lead singer for Coheed &amp; Cambria was female after first hearing &quot;A Favor House Atlantic,&quot; but even that was a deeper pitch than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. He&#8217;s a got voice meant for a Disney princess. I initially thought the lead singer for Coheed &amp; Cambria was female after first hearing &#8220;A Favor House Atlantic,&#8221; but even that was a deeper pitch than this.</p>
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		<title>By: just a guy</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-329024</link>
		<dc:creator>just a guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can make original jokes, like being able to sing higher after being hit in the balls,... after getting hit in the balls!!! :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can make original jokes, like being able to sing higher after being hit in the balls,&#8230; after getting hit in the balls!!! <img src='http://www.neatorama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jason E.</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328993</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what would be great?

If someone made a joke about being able to sing octaves higher than usual after being hit in the balls.  Man... I can&#039;t believe no one has made that joke yet.  Especially since that&#039;s what happens when you get hit in the balls... you sing... and you do it in an abnormally high voice...

I wish someone would have made that joke.  What a missed opportunity to totally ignore a person&#039;s incredibly unique talent by sounding like a juvenile redneck who dropped out of high school.

I guess there&#039;s always next post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what would be great?</p>
<p>If someone made a joke about being able to sing octaves higher than usual after being hit in the balls.  Man&#8230; I can&#8217;t believe no one has made that joke yet.  Especially since that&#8217;s what happens when you get hit in the balls&#8230; you sing&#8230; and you do it in an abnormally high voice&#8230;</p>
<p>I wish someone would have made that joke.  What a missed opportunity to totally ignore a person&#8217;s incredibly unique talent by sounding like a juvenile redneck who dropped out of high school.</p>
<p>I guess there&#8217;s always next post.</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328878</link>
		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>holy crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holy crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328756</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can sing like that too, right after I get kicked in the balls.

But seriously, that was awesome! Great find algonkin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can sing like that too, right after I get kicked in the balls.</p>
<p>But seriously, that was awesome! Great find algonkin!</p>
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		<title>By: Afshin</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328730</link>
		<dc:creator>Afshin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guy sings in female voice too.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tt11V8BnY0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy sings in female voice too.   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tt11V8BnY0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tt11V8BnY0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Courageous Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328715</link>
		<dc:creator>Courageous Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a lovely voice and beautiful vibrato.  This young man could definitely benefit from some classical vocal training.  I&#039;m a sucker for a good baritone, but this guy kind of makes me want to change my listening preference...lol.

I am a mezzo-soprano with quite a 3-octave range (which is rare enough for women), and I find it absolutely fascinating when a guy has a similar range.  I so want to sing a duet with this young man....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a lovely voice and beautiful vibrato.  This young man could definitely benefit from some classical vocal training.  I&#8217;m a sucker for a good baritone, but this guy kind of makes me want to change my listening preference&#8230;lol.</p>
<p>I am a mezzo-soprano with quite a 3-octave range (which is rare enough for women), and I find it absolutely fascinating when a guy has a similar range.  I so want to sing a duet with this young man&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328691</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a viral ad waiting to happen.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328675</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Babson is correct; some singers will use falsetto techniques in countertenor, but in general this is very different singing technique. 

The first time I heard a guy singing counter tenor/soprano, I was floored; I had the TV on for background noise while doing some stuff around the house, and PBS was playing some Christmas musical. I heard this beautiful soprano voice, and when I looked at the TV it was a guy! I did some reading on the subject, and it turns out that &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Countertenors&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it&#039;s not that uncommon&lt;/a&gt;, but that doesn&#039;t translate into it being well known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babson is correct; some singers will use falsetto techniques in countertenor, but in general this is very different singing technique. </p>
<p>The first time I heard a guy singing counter tenor/soprano, I was floored; I had the TV on for background noise while doing some stuff around the house, and PBS was playing some Christmas musical. I heard this beautiful soprano voice, and when I looked at the TV it was a guy! I did some reading on the subject, and it turns out that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Countertenors" rel="nofollow">it&#8217;s not that uncommon</a>, but that doesn&#8217;t translate into it being well known.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328671</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was playing tennis once, and my cousin smatched the tennis ball in mines. For a moment I was singing like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was playing tennis once, and my cousin smatched the tennis ball in mines. For a moment I was singing like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328650</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget to vote for him!  He&#039;s currently in second place ...

http://www.broadwayworld.com/mermaidvote.cfm?id=121</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget to vote for him!  He&#8217;s currently in second place &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.broadwayworld.com/mermaidvote.cfm?id=121" rel="nofollow">http://www.broadwayworld.com/mermaidvote.cfm?id=121</a></p>
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		<title>By: Babson</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328643</link>
		<dc:creator>Babson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a falsetto.

Nick Patera is a counter tenor. Counter tenors sing with a natural head voice in the alto,mezzo and soprano ranges.

There&#039;s a couple of places he goes into falsetto. But 95% of his singing is pure counter tenor head voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a falsetto.</p>
<p>Nick Patera is a counter tenor. Counter tenors sing with a natural head voice in the alto,mezzo and soprano ranges.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a couple of places he goes into falsetto. But 95% of his singing is pure counter tenor head voice.</p>
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		<title>By: Abestar</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328600</link>
		<dc:creator>Abestar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sex changes are nasty.</description>
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		<title>By: DrJones</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328596</link>
		<dc:creator>DrJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vonskippy, do you know what they call the procedure when they add male parts to a female?


Addadictomy :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vonskippy, do you know what they call the procedure when they add male parts to a female?</p>
<p>Addadictomy <img src='http://www.neatorama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MidwestMedic</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328593</link>
		<dc:creator>MidwestMedic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d agree that this is neat and a great song.  But, I think the link from Jacki above is a better example of his range...both parts of a duet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree that this is neat and a great song.  But, I think the link from Jacki above is a better example of his range&#8230;both parts of a duet.</p>
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		<title>By: just a guy</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328590</link>
		<dc:creator>just a guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd! Most men can speak / sing in falsetto, but it&#039;s rare to have such a robust range in falsetto.

He has a nice natural talent (even if the result is that he sounds like the opposite gender!) 

I&#039;d love to see him in an initial audition for American Idol, just because it would be great to see how surprised the judges wold be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd! Most men can speak / sing in falsetto, but it&#8217;s rare to have such a robust range in falsetto.</p>
<p>He has a nice natural talent (even if the result is that he sounds like the opposite gender!) </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see him in an initial audition for American Idol, just because it would be great to see how surprised the judges wold be.</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328568</link>
		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a drag show once - real disappointment to see them lip sync. Can&#039;t see him making it as a male singer with that voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a drag show once &#8211; real disappointment to see them lip sync. Can&#8217;t see him making it as a male singer with that voice.</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Labombard</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328545</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinton Labombard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wah!!! I wanna sing like a girl!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wah!!! I wanna sing like a girl!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328533</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He could have an amazing career as a Drag Queen, certainly makes a change from all the ones that mime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He could have an amazing career as a Drag Queen, certainly makes a change from all the ones that mime.</p>
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		<title>By: biltmore</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328523</link>
		<dc:creator>biltmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What.The.****.</description>
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		<title>By: algonkin</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/12/02/guys-neat-performance-with-a-womans-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-328512</link>
		<dc:creator>algonkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! @ Vonskippy:</description>
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		<title>By: Vonskippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vonskippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing the ballsectomy went well then?</description>
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		<title>By: Conor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s something about his voice that makes me nerves stand on end. Absolutely terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something about his voice that makes me nerves stand on end. Absolutely terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A man singing high or with a woman&#039;s voice is called falsetto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A man singing high or with a woman&#8217;s voice is called falsetto.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That guy is amazing! would be a little scary though if it was the other way round and was a woman who could sing like a man! Especially if she was singing, say for example a Barry White song :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That guy is amazing! would be a little scary though if it was the other way round and was a woman who could sing like a man! Especially if she was singing, say for example a Barry White song <img src='http://www.neatorama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jacki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He has a new video of &quot;A Whole New World&quot; (Aladdin)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-CS2v8wcc

heh. twice the fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He has a new video of &#8220;A Whole New World&#8221; (Aladdin)&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-CS2v8wcc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-CS2v8wcc</a></p>
<p>heh. twice the fun.</p>
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		<title>By: aware</title>
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		<dc:creator>aware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well done!

the creepy thing is that, not half an hour ago, i got this song randomly stuck in my head and have no idea why. perhaps i&#039;m psychically connected to neatorama, hahaha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well done!</p>
<p>the creepy thing is that, not half an hour ago, i got this song randomly stuck in my head and have no idea why. perhaps i&#8217;m psychically connected to neatorama, hahaha!</p>
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