Comments on: The Gimli Glider http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/ The Neat Side of the Web Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:52:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: F451 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-292066 F451 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:03:51 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-292066 No. 6: I'm serious: In the U.S. (and Canadian law and aviation regulations match) it is illegal to operate a commercial aircraft with any of the items on the Minimum Equipment List (MEL) not in operating condition. And the fuel quantity indicating system is one of those items. Capt. Pearson was in violation of safety regulations before he ever left the ground, with the result that he nearly killed everyone on board. And I do mean 'he': The pilot is not responsible for performing maintenance on an aircraft (he isn't licensed to do it) but the pilot is ultimately responsible for the safe operation of the plane. The pilot in command (Pearson, in this case) is required prior to departure to do a brief inspection of the aircraft, to check the maintenance logbook for any outstanding discrepancies, and to run through a lengthy checklist to assure that the aircraft is in good operating condition. From the account, Pearson _knew_ this B767 had a faulty FQIS. Air Canada's procedures were very clear about what he should do in such a case: Wait for the item to be put in good working order before operating the airplane. Instead, he elected to have the fuel quantity manually measured. Then he screwed up the calculations to determine whether there was enough fuel on board to make the flight. He should have been canned. No. 6:

I’m serious: In the U.S. (and Canadian law and aviation regulations match) it is illegal to operate a commercial aircraft with any of the items on the Minimum Equipment List (MEL) not in operating condition. And the fuel quantity indicating system is one of those items. Capt. Pearson was in violation of safety regulations before he ever left the ground, with the result that he nearly killed everyone on board. And I do mean ‘he’: The pilot is not responsible for performing maintenance on an aircraft (he isn’t licensed to do it) but the pilot is ultimately responsible for the safe operation of the plane.

The pilot in command (Pearson, in this case) is required prior to departure to do a brief inspection of the aircraft, to check the maintenance logbook for any outstanding discrepancies, and to run through a lengthy checklist to assure that the aircraft is in good operating condition.

From the account, Pearson _knew_ this B767 had a faulty FQIS. Air Canada’s procedures were very clear about what he should do in such a case: Wait for the item to be put in good working order before operating the airplane. Instead, he elected to have the fuel quantity manually measured. Then he screwed up the calculations to determine whether there was enough fuel on board to make the flight.

He should have been canned.

]]> By: Dave http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-291848 Dave Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:10:52 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-291848 True enough, that was some ace piloting, but the pilots & crew definitely need to work on their math and communication skills. They say the difference between a good carpenter and a bad one is that the good carpenter knows better how to cover up his mistakes. Sometimes it's that way with pilots too. How many death-defying landings are made by pilots who were responsible for getting themselves (and anybody else along for the ride) into trouble in the first place? True enough, that was some ace piloting, but the pilots & crew definitely need to work on their math and communication skills.

They say the difference between a good carpenter and a bad one is that the good carpenter knows better how to cover up his mistakes. Sometimes it’s that way with pilots too. How many death-defying landings are made by pilots who were responsible for getting themselves (and anybody else along for the ride) into trouble in the first place?

]]> By: bpr http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-291782 bpr Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:15:36 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-291782 The pilot is responsible to be sure all of his indicators are functioning properly. One of the things on the checklist is "Working fuel gage." The gage wasn't reading at all, and they knew that BEFORE the flight began, not after they were in the air. The pilot is responsible to be sure all of his indicators are functioning properly. One of the things on the checklist is “Working fuel gage.”

The gage wasn’t reading at all, and they knew that BEFORE the flight began, not after they were in the air.

]]> By: Quasi_Mojo http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-291609 Quasi_Mojo Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:14:45 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-291609 F451, What are you talking about? It's not like the pilot is responsible for the maintenance of the airliner and it's not like they took off without having the failed mechanical parts working. The problems were encountered IN-FLIGHT!!! While the Airline should be held responsible, the pilots should be commended. F451, What are you talking about?
It’s not like the pilot is responsible for the maintenance of the airliner and it’s not like they took off without having the failed mechanical parts working.
The problems were encountered IN-FLIGHT!!!
While the Airline should be held responsible, the pilots should be commended.

]]> By: F451 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-291345 F451 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:47:55 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-291345 Y'know, every commercial airliner type has a document called the "Minimum Equipment List." And it's called the "MINIMUM Equipment List" for a reason -- you're not supposed to fly the airplane without all those items being functional! I don't care what a hotshot glider pilot Capt. Pearson was, he (and his copilot) should have been canned. Air Canada should have been heavily fined, and a thorough review of their safety and training programs instituted. There's more to being a "professional" airline pilot than good stick-and-rudder work. This is a textbook example of a pilot with the Wrong Stuff. Y’know, every commercial airliner type has a document called the “Minimum Equipment List.” And it’s called the “MINIMUM Equipment List” for a reason — you’re not supposed to fly the airplane without all those items being functional!

I don’t care what a hotshot glider pilot Capt. Pearson was, he (and his copilot) should have been canned. Air Canada should have been heavily fined, and a thorough review of their safety and training programs instituted.

There’s more to being a “professional” airline pilot than good stick-and-rudder work. This is a textbook example of a pilot with the Wrong Stuff.

]]> By: Alex http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-290303 Alex Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:19:45 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-290303 Wow! That was a great story. I'm glad everyone made it. Y'know, when I first read the title, I thought Miss C was talking about this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_(Middle-earth)" rel="nofollow">Gimli</a>. Wow! That was a great story. I’m glad everyone made it. Y’know, when I first read the title, I thought Miss C was talking about this Gimli.

]]> By: Andy3000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-290284 Andy3000 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:03:58 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-290284 Thanks for the reminder of that amazing story. It's said that the pilot landed a brick that day. Some ace piloting on his part... Thanks for the reminder of that amazing story. It’s said that the pilot landed a brick that day. Some ace piloting on his part…

]]> By: Justin http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-290199 Justin Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:28:51 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-290199 Nice, you know this story sounded familiar but apparently I was thinking of an incident in 2001. Here is the wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236 Nice, you know this story sounded familiar but apparently I was thinking of an incident in 2001. Here is the wiki article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236

]]> By: Denita TwoDragons http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-290113 Denita TwoDragons Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:32:43 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/12/the-gimli-glider/#comment-290113 That story was IN. FRIGGIN'. CREDIBLE!! Of course, it also continues to feed my rapidly-growing fear of flying. Eek! --TwoDragons That story was IN. FRIGGIN’. CREDIBLE!!

Of course, it also continues to feed my rapidly-growing fear of flying. Eek!

–TwoDragons

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