Comments on: The Zimbabwean Crisis http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/ The Neat Side of the Web Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:34:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: MoonCake http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-674872 MoonCake Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:50:54 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-674872 wow steve.. can you be more of a dick please? i enjoy palpable ignorance, and you're just feeding my appetite. wow steve.. can you be more of a dick please? i enjoy palpable ignorance, and you’re just feeding my appetite.

]]> By: SteveVA http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-368678 SteveVA Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:24:05 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-368678 Blacks have a gift when it comes to destroying what whites build. Here in the U.S. they're working over Detroit, Baltimore, and New Orleans pretty well. With the demographic trend the way it is, they'll have the whole country going down the tubes in the next 30-50 years. All this just in time to be enslaved by a rising Asian power or perhaps put out of their misery by some meteorite. Blacks have a gift when it comes to destroying what whites build. Here in the U.S. they’re working over Detroit, Baltimore, and New Orleans pretty well. With the demographic trend the way it is, they’ll have the whole country going down the tubes in the next 30-50 years. All this just in time to be enslaved by a rising Asian power or perhaps put out of their misery by some meteorite.

]]> By: skh.pcola http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-288994 skh.pcola Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:13:06 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-288994 Jim has a compelling argument, but he didn't quite make the connection to Zimbabwe's problems being the fault of the United States, or more specifically, GWBush. He is showing his leftard tendency, though. Jim has a compelling argument, but he didn’t quite make the connection to Zimbabwe’s problems being the fault of the United States, or more specifically, GWBush. He is showing his leftard tendency, though.

]]> By: Sid Morrison http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-283640 Sid Morrison Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:41:37 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-283640 Tony raises an interesting theory, but I'd like to expand it and stay away from the traps of racial-oriented explanations. Yes, prima facie evidence does lend itself to asserting that "something" must be different about the African people themselves. I'll offer that perhaps it's not the people's genetics (their intelligence, their race, or whatever) that has hampered their ability to self govern, but rather a lack of "western experience". The great Western Democracies were based on 2500 years of cultural foundations from Ancient Greece, Rome, medieval Europe, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, &c. There were a whole lot of successes, failures, and ultimately learning about how to run a government that happened during that time. Most of Africa missed all of it! We expect them to act like we do when the population is largely illiterate and almost wholely ignorant of what took us a couple millenia to pick up ourselves. Literacy is the first step to resolving their condition. WIthout literacy, learning is forvever handicapped. Without learning, a people will live in perpetual ignorance and the problems never get solved -- they'll only move from one strongman/dictator to the next without ever achieving peace or achieving living standards close to the developed world. Straight talk from Sid. Tony raises an interesting theory, but I’d like to expand it and stay away from the traps of racial-oriented explanations. Yes, prima facie evidence does lend itself to asserting that “something” must be different about the African people themselves. I’ll offer that perhaps it’s not the people’s genetics (their intelligence, their race, or whatever) that has hampered their ability to self govern, but rather a lack of “western experience”.

The great Western Democracies were based on 2500 years of cultural foundations from Ancient Greece, Rome, medieval Europe, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, &c. There were a whole lot of successes, failures, and ultimately learning about how to run a government that happened during that time. Most of Africa missed all of it! We expect them to act like we do when the population is largely illiterate and almost wholely ignorant of what took us a couple millenia to pick up ourselves.

Literacy is the first step to resolving their condition. WIthout literacy, learning is forvever handicapped. Without learning, a people will live in perpetual ignorance and the problems never get solved — they’ll only move from one strongman/dictator to the next without ever achieving peace or achieving living standards close to the developed world.

Straight talk from Sid.

]]> By: Sid Morrison http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-283535 Sid Morrison Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:29:32 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-283535 Thanks for posting the Mugabe Mansion, Alex. It's not quite Versailles, but it might earn Mugabe an eventual "necklacing". Thanks for posting the Mugabe Mansion, Alex. It’s not quite Versailles, but it might earn Mugabe an eventual “necklacing”.

]]> By: Alex http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-283313 Alex Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:08:25 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-283313 Here's the <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/08/27/wzim27.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/08/27/ixnewstop.html" rel="nofollow">Mugabe Mansion</a> mentioned by the article. Here’s the Mugabe Mansion mentioned by the article.

]]> By: Tony http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282999 Tony Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:48:45 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282999 It's obvious that most African nations cannot rule themselves. Abolishing colonization and giving African nations independence was a bad idea. It seems these people just don't have the brains or the willpower or inclination to govern themselves. It’s obvious that most African nations cannot rule themselves. Abolishing colonization and giving African nations independence was a bad idea. It seems these people just don’t have the brains or the willpower or inclination to govern themselves.

]]> By: c-dub http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282591 c-dub Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:36:16 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282591 Vonskippy, there's a difference between a country's government and its people. Vonskippy, there’s a difference between a country’s government and its people.

]]> By: Chris http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282569 Chris Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:21:00 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282569 Well, it's sort of a solution for population control. that and AIDS. Zimbabwe is a leading country, succeding where other countries like China (birth rate ctrl) or India (sterilisation) have failed. We're waiting for the next great idea. Well, it’s sort of a solution for population control. that and AIDS. Zimbabwe is a leading country, succeding where other countries like China (birth rate ctrl) or India (sterilisation) have failed.
We’re waiting for the next great idea.

]]> By: Vonskippy http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282544 Vonskippy Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:03:57 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282544 Sniff. Ok, I'm over it. Hard to feel sympathy for a country that shot itself in the foot. Sniff. Ok, I’m over it.

Hard to feel sympathy for a country that shot itself in the foot.

]]> By: Jim http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282362 Jim Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:22:31 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282362 skh.pcola: Go fuck yourself. skh.pcola: Go fuck yourself.

]]> By: Justin http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282323 Justin Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:47:12 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282323 It's really sad how one person can so totally bring a prosperous country to near complete ruin. Farming used to be one of Zimbabwe's big exports and now they can't even feed their own people! And it's not like the guy turned the land over to the people once he took it from the mostly white Zimbabweans. Instead he just handed it out to his cronies who had no clue about farming, nor had the equipment. There are certain people the world would be better without... It’s really sad how one person can so totally bring a prosperous country to near complete ruin. Farming used to be one of Zimbabwe’s big exports and now they can’t even feed their own people!

And it’s not like the guy turned the land over to the people once he took it from the mostly white Zimbabweans. Instead he just handed it out to his cronies who had no clue about farming, nor had the equipment.

There are certain people the world would be better without…

]]> By: skh.pcola http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282305 skh.pcola Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:36:55 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282305 It's all George Bush's fault, or Glowball Worming's fault...just ask an execrable liberal. The US is responsible for every bad thing that happens in the world. I'm surprised one of the leftard commenters haven't pointed this out yet. It’s all George Bush’s fault, or Glowball Worming’s fault…just ask an execrable liberal. The US is responsible for every bad thing that happens in the world. I’m surprised one of the leftard commenters haven’t pointed this out yet.

]]> By: Sid Morrison http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282196 Sid Morrison Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:00:08 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282196 Zimbabwe got itself into trouble in 2000 when the government confiscated all the land owned by efficient and productive farmers (who happened to be white). It was redistributed to blacks who happened to have little experience or expertise in farming. The results were predictable and drastic -- production plummeted, prices skyrocketed, people starved, and unrest ensued. Starving people and rampant inflation = revolution. Mugabe will be fortunate if his head doesn't end up in basket like Louis XVI. Zimbabwe got itself into trouble in 2000 when the government confiscated all the land owned by efficient and productive farmers (who happened to be white). It was redistributed to blacks who happened to have little experience or expertise in farming. The results were predictable and drastic — production plummeted, prices skyrocketed, people starved, and unrest ensued. Starving people and rampant inflation = revolution. Mugabe will be fortunate if his head doesn’t end up in basket like Louis XVI.

]]> By: Michael http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282121 Michael Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:13:38 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/11/08/the-zimbabwean-crisis/#comment-282121 The unfortunate thing is that South Africa, the neighboring country to Zimbabwe, has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and now South Africa is struggling with illegal immigrants and the like. I once spoke to a legal immigrant from Zimbabwe, you can see how sad they are for leaving the country, but as he said, "Nothing is left for me there". The unfortunate thing is that South Africa, the neighboring country to Zimbabwe, has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and now South Africa is struggling with illegal immigrants and the like.

I once spoke to a legal immigrant from Zimbabwe, you can see how sad they are for leaving the country, but as he said, “Nothing is left for me there”.

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