Comments on: Proven by Science: Playing Video Games Can Make You Smarter! http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/ The Neat Side of the Web Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:44:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Sid Morrison http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-269005 Sid Morrison Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:12:33 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-269005 Ugj, maybe the BBC reported it wrong, but that sure sounds like a flawed study to me: 1. You can't have the test groups (including the control) in different schools! They've got different teachers and perhaps different textbooks and/or learning methods. To do a test like this, EVERYBODY need to be in the same class so that the other variables are controlled & kept constant. At the end of this test, all it proved was that St. Columba's kids did better than the other schools' kids. You can't state why, though! It could have been ANY of the differences among the schools, even the type of food served up at lunch. 2. It looks like the "control group" didn't play any games, but didn't do anything structured either. What would have happened if they just had a 15 minute longer lesson? Add this in as a test variant. ---> To proper structure an experiment like this, they should have broken those 30 children up into 3 groups, each with a different teach/play method. That starts getting small sample sizes, so then you repeat the same partitioning over the other 2 schools as well. If you want to try competiting software, add more schools and break the classes up finer (say 5 schools and groups of 6 kids on each method in each school). The thing to avoid is doing it the way they did, which is an AWFUL interpretation of scientific method. Ugj, maybe the BBC reported it wrong, but that sure sounds like a flawed study to me:
1. You can’t have the test groups (including the control) in different schools! They’ve got different teachers and perhaps different textbooks and/or learning methods. To do a test like this, EVERYBODY need to be in the same class so that the other variables are controlled & kept constant. At the end of this test, all it proved was that St. Columba’s kids did better than the other schools’ kids. You can’t state why, though! It could have been ANY of the differences among the schools, even the type of food served up at lunch.

2. It looks like the “control group” didn’t play any games, but didn’t do anything structured either. What would have happened if they just had a 15 minute longer lesson? Add this in as a test variant.

—> To proper structure an experiment like this, they should have broken those 30 children up into 3 groups, each with a different teach/play method. That starts getting small sample sizes, so then you repeat the same partitioning over the other 2 schools as well. If you want to try competiting software, add more schools and break the classes up finer (say 5 schools and groups of 6 kids on each method in each school). The thing to avoid is doing it the way they did, which is an AWFUL interpretation of scientific method.

]]> By: Homer Jay http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-267980 Homer Jay Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:03:20 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-267980 Actually almost any game can help to make a child smarter and/or improve their basic skills. Many RPG games involve a lot of reading and complex story lines in which a child would have to follow in order to complete the game. Logic skill, hand eye coordination etc can all improve from hours of game play. Not saying EVERY game will contribute equally, just saying that 'certain' games could be much broader than the games mentioned that are specifically designed for such a purpose. *Don't blame the games, blame the parents* Actually almost any game can help to make a child smarter and/or improve their basic skills.

Many RPG games involve a lot of reading and complex story lines in which a child would have to follow in order to complete the game.

Logic skill, hand eye coordination etc can all improve from hours of game play.

Not saying EVERY game will contribute equally, just saying that ‘certain’ games could be much broader than the games mentioned that are specifically designed for such a purpose.

*Don’t blame the games, blame the parents*

]]> By: Justin http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-267794 Justin Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:56:42 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-267794 I do believe that using methods such as educational video games can really help turn students on to learning. This idea isn't exactly new though, since I was playing number crunchers in class at least 10 years ago! The real problem is how to incorporate stuff like this without turning children off to books and more traditional learning methods that have their own unique advantages. I do believe that using methods such as educational video games can really help turn students on to learning.

This idea isn’t exactly new though, since I was playing number crunchers in class at least 10 years ago!

The real problem is how to incorporate stuff like this without turning children off to books and more traditional learning methods that have their own unique advantages.

]]> By: Retrokatze http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-267587 Retrokatze Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:05:28 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-267587 What a difference such a small word as "certain" can make... What a difference such a small word as “certain” can make…

]]> By: meg http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-267350 meg Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:06:39 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-267350 Agreed. Agreed.

]]> By: L http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-267182 L Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:32:33 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/29/proven-by-science-playing-video-games-can-make-you-smarter/#comment-267182 Certain video games can make you smarter. I doubt you'd see the same effect if you let the kids play GTA before class. Certain video games can make you smarter. I doubt you’d see the same effect if you let the kids play GTA before class.

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